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[brenthutch 444]

https://deplorablesagainstconsumerratehike.com/

[JoeWeber 2,936]

54 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

https://deplorablesagainstconsumerratehike.com/

Lovely. But as ever, you avoid the hard questions. For the third time: Trump posted this photoshopped image of himself. Are you cool with that?  But also, given that you know he has zero skills beyond finding the Fox and Friends channel, how does it sit with you that someone did it for him? Are you frightened that our President so thinks and is so advised?

And just for reference, .17 C is also 273.32 Kelvin. But really, for those of us challenged by the metric system, isn't Fahrenheit a better way to go? Not that I'm opposed to fucking around with someone who graduated with an engineering degree from MIT with Honors, mind you.  

Edited December 5, 2019 by JoeWeber

[brenthutch 444]

Trump is an idiot.  Full stop.  I have said it several times.  I have even equated his intellect to that of an earthworm.  I posted that Trump is a dumb man's idea of a smart man, a weak man's idea of a strong man and a poor man's idea of a rich man.  Given your notion of me, with regard to my world view, it is not surprising that you would pigeonhole me as a Trump supporter.  Your bad, not mine. You need to get out more.

BTW what does "how does it sit with you that some enableC did it for him? Are you frightened that our President so thinks and is so advised" even mean?

Edited December 5, 2019 by brenthutch

[JoeWeber 2,936]

3 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Trump is an idiot.  Full stop.  I have said it several times.  I have even equated his intellect to that of an earthworm.  I posted that Trump is a dumb man's idea of a smart man, a weak man's idea of a strong man and a poor man's idea of a rich man.  Given your notion of me, with regard to my world view, it is not surprising that you would pigeonhole me as a Trump supporter.  Your bad, not mine. You need to get out more.

Do I? I'm guessing your ass is clamped down in Happy Valley listening to the same shit you listen to all year long. For a bonus, guess where I'm typing this response from. And no, tôi không có phở đêm nay.

[brenthutch 444]

33 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Do I? I'm guessing your ass is clamped down in Happy Valley listening to the same shit you listen to all year long. For a bonus, guess where I'm typing this response from. And no, tôi không có phở đêm nay.

Joe I have been to places and seen things that you can not even imagine.  I don't hold that against you because you have no frame of reference other than your comical notion of the military.  FYI my military interaction with other countries was with their terrain, my interactions with the civilian population was primarily civilian on civilian.  When I got to my first duty station, my team members forced me to take Italian language courses and spend my first several paycheck on Italian clothes.  We respected and adapted to the local language, customs, dress, and cuisine.  Same goes with everywhere else I have been.  My wife won an executive committee reward trip to the Bahamas, we stayed at the Atlantis resort, it was the closest thing to hell I could have imagined.  I like to, keep my mouth shut, listen, and immerse myself in the local culture. 

BTW say hi to all of the slave labor you are taking advantage of.

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Edited December 5, 2019 by brenthutch

[JerryBaumchen 1,465]

43 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

 isn't Fahrenheit a better way to go? 

Hi Joe,

As one of those engineers, I studied Rankine, Kelvin, Celsius & Fahrenheit.

All are OK; we just have to settle on one & have everybody use it.

Personally, I prefer Celsius as I think it is simpler to understand for the non-technical types.

Others may disagree,

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,936]

5 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Joe I have been to places and seen things that you can not even imagine.  I don't hold that against you because you have no frame of reference other than your comical notion of the military.  FYI my military interaction with other countries was with their terrain, my interactions with the civilian population was primarily civilian on civilian.  When I got to my first duty station, my team members forced me to take Italian language courses and spend my first several paycheck on Italian clothes.  We respected and adapted to the local language, customs, dress, and cuisine.  Same goes with everywhere else I have been.  My wife won an executive committee reward trip to the Bahamas, we stayed at the Atlantis resort, it was the closest thing to hell I could have imagined.  I like to, keep my mouth shut, listen, and immerse myself in the local culture. 

BTW say hi to all of the slave labor you are taking advantage of.

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.See how it feels when someone who has no idea of who you are or what you do opines on something they know nothing about?

That's arrogant and no surprise. You're a forceful dude, and smart, and I'm sure you have everyone in your circle enthralled. But not me. Listen to yourself: "Joe I have been to places and seen things that you can not even imagine". You have no idea where I've been or what I've seen or done. 

[brenthutch 444]

8 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

That's arrogant 

Says the guy who posted "I'm guessing your ass is clamped down in Happy Valley listening to the same shit you listen to all year long. For a bonus, guess where I'm typing this response from. And no, tôi không có phở đêm nay. "

Mabey not tonight. ;-)

[JoeWeber 2,936]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

Says the guy who posted "I'm guessing your ass is clamped down in Happy Valley listening to the same shit you listen to all year long. For a bonus, guess where I'm typing this response from. And no, tôi không có phở đêm nay. "

Mabey not tonight. ;-)

"Trump is an idiot.  Full stop.  I have said it several times.  I have even equated his intellect to that of an earthworm.  I posted that Trump is a dumb man's idea of a smart man, a weak man's idea of a strong man and a poor man's idea of a rich man.  Given your notion of me, with regard to my world view, it is not surprising that you would pigeonhole me as a Trump supporter.  Your bad, not mine. You need to get out more."

"I'm not so sure.  The first time, I wrote in Mickey Mouse (because I couldn't spell Condoleezza Rice and thought that a fictional cartoon rodent would make a better choice than either candidate) but Trump has delivered on taxes, fossil fuels, deregulation, judicial appointments and confronting China.  I personally think the man is a loathsome idiot but his policies are largely conservative boiler plate policies.  In a perfect world Trump would be impeached and removed from office and Pence would take his place.  Otherwise I will probably be forced to vote for him this time around."

So you are not a Trump supporter but you love his policies and thus, regardless of the fact he's an absolute idiot who shreds the constitution daily, embarrasses our nation on the world stage, abandons our allies who are fighting hot wars and cold, defies the rule of law, and has by any measure has made us less safe you will be forced to vote for him? And all because you believe money he gave to the super wealthy will trickle down to you, fossil fuels will be ascendant again, nasty regulations that protect the environment and your fellow citizens health are being erased, he has made awesome judicial appointments which are all but guaranteed to erode the rights of women and the LGBTQ community and he also confronted China?  Who, by the by, just happen to be kicking his ass around the South China Sea and aren't too impressed with his trade war. But what the hell, because of his $28 Billion in Farm Subsides none of which will ever be paid back, farm income is doing great.

Clearly, when he claimed "I Could Stand In the Middle Of Fifth Avenue And Shoot Somebody And I Wouldn't Lose Any Voters" he was thinking of folks like you.

 

[SethInMI 174]

12 hours ago, brenthutch said:

https://deplorablesagainstconsumerratehike.com/

To try and bring this back to Tesla:

Brent, is this sharing this link supposed to be about the idea to eliminate the tax credits for electric vehicles? The article you linked to is a year old, so no new facts or ideas in it, and I wonder what about it made you decide to post it now.

 

[brenthutch 444]

2 hours ago, SethInMI said:

To try and bring this back to Tesla:

Brent, is this sharing this link supposed to be about the idea to eliminate the tax credits for electric vehicles? The article you linked to is a year old, so no new facts or ideas in it, and I wonder what about it made you decide to post it now.

 

Fair point, the first time I saw it was about a year ago, when it popped up on my FB feed.  I tried to find it again but could not.  It just showed up again yesterday so I posted

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13 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Joe I have been to places and seen things that you can not even imagine. 

[CygnusX-1 43]

Wow, just wow! (According to the article) I didn't realize I'm part of the "uber-wealthy". Maybe I should put that on my dz.com profile.

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It’s an expensive write-off that mostly benefits the uber-wealthy, who buy electric cars as status symbols and tokens of environmental consciousness...

I stopped reading pretty much after that sentence. Oh that and the link posted above wanted me to click another link to read the full column. As a matter of principal I never do that. But seriously, the author does not know what he is talking about especially now (one year later). I did not buy my car because of some "environmental consciousness", although that is a nice side issue/benefit. I bought it because it was by far the best vehicle in its segment for real world (on-the-road) driving. That is why Teslas are better than other cars out there. Acceleration is fantastic. I love being first at a stop light and when the light turns green and flooring it until you get to 60 or 70 MPH. And then there is no one around you until all the speeders catch up to you. Handling is good enough. I mean really, how often do you need to go around a curve with a posted speed of 45 MPH and you are going 70+ where the added performance would make a difference? Autopilot - while still needs work - is making improvements to make your life easier. And getting updates at least once a month if not more that adds more functionality to the vehicle - all for free.

And for the record, I do not think Brent is an idiot, dense, or whatever. I feel he is misguided in his beliefs with regard to the environment. And that is fine, I would bet he thinks that about me too. Unfortunately, if one of us is wrong that has dire consequences for the world as we know it today. If the other of us is wrong, I don't see there being any lasting effects to that decision.

[SethInMI 174]

59 minutes ago, CygnusX-1 said:

But seriously, the author does not know what he is talking about especially now (one year later).

I thought the same thing. The Model S and X are for the weathly, but the not the model 3 which is selling as well as many mainstream cars, and yes the idea of them as only status symbols is long gone.

I saw a mention of the fact that Jim Cramer, who has long predicted the Tesla's imminent demise, has recently decided to buy a Tesla Model X. He is wealthy sure, but for him to buy one as a status symbol is ridiculous. From his tweet, he and his wife just really liked the car after driving it.

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Kinda funny that it's a 'Tea Party' site. 

They have pretty much died off from terminal hypocrisy. 

It's also a year old. Touting the 'end' of the Chevy Volt.

While it true the Volt was discontinued, it was replaced by the Bolt. 
So the implication that GM is abandoning the electric car is absolutely false. 
The statement that EVs are only for the 'uber-wealthy' is also a clear falsehood.

The Bolt is marketed as a 'normal' car, in the sub $30k price range. 

Sooooo...

Cherry picking facts. Misleading and outdated articles. All of which 'prove' the exact opposite of what is claimed.

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6 hours ago, SethInMI said:

I thought the same thing. The Model S and X are for the weathly, but the not the model 3 which is selling as well as many mainstream cars, and yes the idea of them as only status symbols is long gone.

I saw a mention of the fact that Jim Cramer, who has long predicted the Tesla's imminent demise, has recently decided to buy a Tesla Model X. He is wealthy sure, but for him to buy one as a status symbol is ridiculous. From his tweet, he and his wife just really liked the car after driving it.

I will seriously be considering the Tesla cybertruck for my next vehicle in 4 or 5 years.

IF they can get the 500 mile range they claim and hopefully change the stupid name it seems like a decent option.

The utility of a pickup with the cabin that fits my whole family, a range better than my Audi and an acceleration that beats anything but a hypercar.

Sounds too good to be true, but worth keeping an eye on.

Edited December 6, 2019 by yoink

[ryoder 1,590]

2 minutes ago, yoink said:

I will seriously be considering the Tesla cybertruck for my next vehicle in 4 or 5 years.

IF they can get the 500 mile range they claim and hopefully change the stupid name it seems like a decent option.

 

Jason Fenske did an interesting analysis of the Tesla truck yesterday:

 

[Rick 67]

I got this in a news feed this morning. Looks like some good job creation in the electric vehicle industry.

Yesterday, GM and South Korea’s LG Chem said they’re investing $2.3 billion in a landmark electric vehicle battery cell plant that will employ more than 1,100 people in Ohio. And Lucid Motors, a Cali-based electric vehicle (EV) startup, broke ground this week on a $300+ million factory in Arizona that’s expected to generate 4,800 jobs.

 

Of course the trade off is some jobs lost in gas vehicle production.

[turtlespeed 226]

On 12/4/2019 at 9:40 PM, JoeWeber said:

That's arrogant and no surprise. You're a forceful dude, and smart, and I'm sure you have everyone in your circle enthralled. But not me. Listen to yourself: "Joe I have been to places and seen things that you can not even imagine". You have no idea where I've been or what I've seen or done. 

I believe that was his point.

 

He was opining on a false assumption, and using that assumption to flesh out his argument.

 

[brenthutch 444]

Look at what happens when the government is no longer paying you (much) to buy a Tesla

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/16/new-tesla-registrations-in-california-nearly-halved-in-q4.html

"The report released on Wednesday showed registrations in California, a bellwether market for the electric-car maker, plummeted 46.5% to 13,584 in the quarter ended December 2019, from 25,402 in the same period a year earlier."

 

I cant wait to see what happens this year with out the subsidies

[normiss 892]

2019 Tesla sales better than previous 2 years COMBINED

[headoverheels 334]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-4q-2019-earnings-results-163001490.html

Up $59/share after hours.   

Sorta glad I didn't short it after last quarter's earnings pop.

[brenthutch 444]

https://cleantechnica.com/2020/01/27/tesla-model-3-shatters-records-in-hot-european-market-ev-sales-report/

Published at the same time as 

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4318996-teslas-european-model-3-sales-to-decline-60-in-january-based-on-registration-data

 

Edited February 4, 2020 by brenthutch

[gowlerk 2,273]

26 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

https://cleantechnica.com/2020/01/27/tesla-model-3-shatters-records-in-hot-european-market-ev-sales-report/

Published at the same time as 

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4318996-teslas-european-model-3-sales-to-decline-60-in-january-based-on-registration-data

 

There are three kinds of lies, and I'm sure you know where statistics lie on that list. In the meantime here is a link to Tesla stock price performance for you: PS, the markets don't lie. As a good life long capitalist I'm sure you agree....

 

https://www.google.ca/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNRYhtPeo-5KhmpLIa9dFQyXtHO_Rw%3A1580832639248&source=hp&ei=f5c5Xq2PDPXK0PEPhd2J4AI&q=tesla+stock&oq=tesla+&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0i131i70i250j0l3j0i131j0j0i131l3j0.1402.2659..5317...1.0..0.133.763.0j6......0....1..gws-wiz.......35i39.GGIoTJpCCRQ

[DJL 235]

55 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

https://cleantechnica.com/2020/01/27/tesla-model-3-shatters-records-in-hot-european-market-ev-sales-report/

Published at the same time as 

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4318996-teslas-european-model-3-sales-to-decline-60-in-january-based-on-registration-data

 

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the same company owns both sources.