The AGW media sensationalism examples

[airdvr 210]

Didn't take long to find....AGW is also a boon for media outlets.

[jakee 1,583]

5 hours ago, airdvr said:

Didn't take long to find....AGW is also a boon for media outlets.

How do you figure either of the first two are media sensationalism? The UN did say climate change was fuelling weather disasters. Ireland did declare a climate emergency. The headlines you've quoted are factually accurate.

[airdvr 210]

Let me make sure I've got this right...your position is that all of the weather related "disasters" on 2018 were fueled by climate change?  And, you believe that the people of Ireland went ballistic when faced with a climate emergency?  I might concede the third.

[jakee 1,583]

3 hours ago, airdvr said:

Let me make sure I've got this right...your position is that all of the weather related "disasters" on 2018 were fueled by climate change?  And, you believe that the people of Ireland went ballistic when faced with a climate emergency?  I might concede the third.

What on earth makes you say that?

[kallend 2,131]

7 hours ago, jakee said:

What on earth makes you say that?

The need to create a strawman to support his case, maybe?

[turtlespeed 226]

20 hours ago, jakee said:

How do you figure either of the first two are media sensationalism? The UN did say climate change was fuelling weather disasters. Ireland did declare a climate emergency. The headlines you've quoted are factually accurate.

Trump Declared the border situation an emergency as well. 

[wmw999 2,570]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

Trump Declared the border situation an emergency as well. 

OK, now that there's funny, I don't care who you are. 

Wendy P.

[jakee 1,583]

3 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Trump Declared the border situation an emergency as well. 

Ok? The headlines that reported "Trump declares border emergency" were also factually accurate. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

[turtlespeed 226]

16 hours ago, jakee said:

Ok? The headlines that reported "Trump declares border emergency" were also factually accurate. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

You can say a thing - it doesn't make it true.

[airdvr 210]

Look around you.  Everywhere, everyday we're being solicited.  There really is very little time in my daily life where I don't have someone trying to sell me something.  And yet you don't entertain the possibility that you're being "sold" AGW? 

Alarmism[edit]

Alarmism is described as the use of a linguistic repertoire which communicates climate change using inflated language, an urgent tone and imagery of doom. In a report produced for the Institute for Public Policy Research Gill Ereaut and Nat Segnit reported that alarmist language is frequently employed by newspapers, popular magazine and in campaign literature put out by government and environment groups.^[29] When applied to climate change, alarmist language creates a greater sense of urgency.^[30]

 

[jakee 1,583]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

You can say a thing - it doesn't make it true.

But if I say you said a thing that you said, then what I said is true regardless of whether or not what you said is true.

 

 

[jakee 1,583]

54 minutes ago, airdvr said:

Look around you.  Everywhere, everyday we're being solicited.  There really is very little time in my daily life where I don't have someone trying to sell me something.  And yet you don't entertain the possibility that you're being "sold" AGW? 

I’m only pointing out that the headlines you chose to post are accurate not alarmist. 

 

 

But since you want to go down that road, if it’s everywhere, everyday, how come you didn’t manage to find any actual examples of media alarmism to post?

 

I mean honestly, did you even notice that one of your examples came from an oil and gas industry website? Seriously, when you’re convinced even your allies are out to get you, you might be just a touch paranoid don’t you think?

Edited May 13, 2019 by jakee

[turtlespeed 226]

12 minutes ago, jakee said:

But if I say you said a thing that you said, then what I said is true regardless of whether or not what you said is true.

 

 

The following statement is true.

The preceding statement is false.

[jakee 1,583]

3 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

The following statement is true.

The preceding statement is false.

What does that have to do with anything I just said? 

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

What does that have to do with anything I just said? 

What does anything he says lately have to do with what he's responding to? 

 

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Look around you.  Everywhere, everyday we're being solicited.  There really is very little time in my daily life where I don't have someone trying to sell me something.  And yet you don't entertain the possibility that you're being "sold" AGW? 

Yes. I was a skeptic for a while. 
The 'being sold a bill of goods' is a pretty common thing by the 'powers that be'.

But there's a concept called 'critical thinking', where you evaluate information, sources, the data being used to generate the info, the sources for that, and so on. 

As was pointed out a little bit ago - There's a LOT of science behind the AGW claims. 

There is virtually ZERO actual science behind the denials.

Just attacks. Many of which are demonstrably false. Many of which are perpetrated by people who have reason (or are being paid by people with reason) to deny the truth of the matter.

 

Apply some genuine, serious, critical thinking to both the claims and the denials of AGW and tell me it's all a "sales job".

Edited May 13, 2019 by wolfriverjoe

[rushmc 23]

12 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

What does anything he says lately have to do with what he's responding to? 

 

Yes. I was a skeptic for a while. 
The 'being sold a bill of goods' is a pretty common thing by the 'powers that be'.

But there's a concept called 'critical thinking', where you evaluate information, sources, the data being used to generate the info, the sources for that, and so on. 

As was pointed out a little bit ago - There's a LOT of science behind the AGW claims. 

There is virtually ZERO actual science behind the denials.

Just attacks. Many of which are demonstrably false. Many of which are perpetrated by people who have reason (or are being paid by people with reason) to deny the truth of the matter.

 

Apply some genuine, serious, critical thinking to both the claims and the denials of AGW and tell me it's all a "sales job".

Your sales job

[turtlespeed 226]

4 minutes ago, rushmc said:

Your sales job

It is a sales job - 

Both the deniers and the alarmists want you to believe them.

MOST scientists are respectable and will give you the truth as they understand it to be.

MOST deniers will try for a quick "Gotcha" that will disprove the whole thing - 

This isn't a murder trial as such - if the glove doesn't fit down to the atomic level - you don't get to acquit . . . unless you want to be disingenuous to yourself. (And everyone else)  

I prefer to admit that the amount of info out there makes my previous positions as a hold out to be somewhat foolish.

 It would be really foolish of me to continue denying one small part thinking it would negate the whole.

I doubt I will will believe that the alarmists are right - we have much more than 12 years.  We don't have 4' of sea level rise.

The apocalypse didn't already come and go.  

Moe credibility would be had if people in power, even small power, like AOC, would tell the truth instead of embellishing and sensationalizing.

More credibility would be had if people like AlGore walked the walk instead of being a hypocrite.

But there is little I can do about that except call it out when I see it -  

 

[turtlespeed 226]

On 5/11/2019 at 2:27 PM, jakee said:

How do you figure either of the first two are media sensationalism? The UN did say climate change was fuelling weather disasters. Ireland did declare a climate emergency. The headlines you've quoted are factually accurate.

This above text - 

Ireland declared a climate emergency is sensationalism.

Just as much as Trump declared a border security emergency.

They both have the same amount of merit.  They both have the same amount of justification.

They are both meant to alarm people.

[jakee 1,583]

10 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

This above text - 

Ireland declared a climate emergency is sensationalism.

Just as much as Trump declared a border security emergency.

I can’t believe I have to point this out, but Ireland=/media. It’s a country, not a newspaper. 

[turtlespeed 226]

7 minutes ago, jakee said:

I can’t believe I have to point this out, but Ireland=/media. It’s a country, not a newspaper. 

I can't believe I have to point out that you are that obtuse.

 

[jakee 1,583]

2 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

I can't believe I have to point out that you are that obtuse.

Look at the thread title. That's what provides the context for this discussion and that's what I've been talking about. If you want to talk about a different subject, say that you want to talk about a different subject, don't just post riddles and nonsense and get pissy when you're called on it. It's juvenile behaviour.

 

Just so you know I'm being 100% clear in what I'm saying, Ireland declaring a climate emergency is not media sensationalism.

[wmw999 2,570]

It’s not that the oceans are going to rise and swallow Poughkeepsie in 12 years. It’s that enough will have happened that it will be WAY harder to prevent significant ocean rise. 

Kind of like looking through your checkbook, and determining:

a. You still have checks (therefore no emergency)

b. You have enough balance to pay the bill you’re writing out today (therefore no emergency)

c. You have enough balance to pay next weeks bills (therefore no emergency)

d. You have no income, and no thoughts about securing income because hey, there’s no emergency!

Wendy P. 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

50 minutes ago, jakee said:

Look at the thread title. That's what provides the context for this discussion and that's what I've been talking about. If you want to talk about a different subject, say that you want to talk about a different subject, don't just post riddles and nonsense and get pissy when you're called on it. It's juvenile behaviour.

 

Just so you know I'm being 100% clear in what I'm saying, Ireland declaring a climate emergency is not media sensationalism.

Too funny.

I had to chuckle when I saw the first post. So indicative of current affairs and level of thinking.

Nothing like pointing out how poorly the media performs by showing how they used accurate titles for their articles.

[rushmc 23]

8 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

It is a sales job - 

Both the deniers and the alarmists want you to believe them.

MOST scientists are respectable and will give you the truth as they understand it to be.

MOST deniers will try for a quick "Gotcha" that will disprove the whole thing - 

This isn't a murder trial as such - if the glove doesn't fit down to the atomic level - you don't get to acquit . . . unless you want to be disingenuous to yourself. (And everyone else)  

I prefer to admit that the amount of info out there makes my previous positions as a hold out to be somewhat foolish.

 It would be really foolish of me to continue denying one small part thinking it would negate the whole.

I doubt I will will believe that the alarmists are right - we have much more than 12 years.  We don't have 4' of sea level rise.

The apocalypse didn't already come and go.  

Moe credibility would be had if people in power, even small power, like AOC, would tell the truth instead of embellishing and sensationalizing.

More credibility would be had if people like AlGore walked the walk instead of being a hypocrite.

But there is little I can do about that except call it out when I see it -  

 

 I understand what you’re saying but you don’t understand that the alarmist are using their position to try and control the lives of others. There is no evidence, no experiment, nothing out there that shows man is affecting the climate. We know for sure that CO2 levels were much higher than they’ve ever been in the lifetime of man and temperatures have been higher than they are today. There is a sales job going on. But it seems like you’re questioning what You once believed because of the unrelenting pressure of the alarmist left.

 

Again, I understand your point. But I don’t see it the same way you do

[airdvr 210]

The sensationalism part of the Ireland thing isn't the emergency...its the "hysteria".  The headline would have you believe people are running around Ireland in a panic.  Not so.