brenthutch 444 #2401 April 23, 2020 Still no reply? Looks like we are having a night of introspection. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #2402 April 23, 2020 1 hour ago, SkyDekker said: There are very few people who believe that humans cannot impact climate. There is broad scientific consensus that human activity has impacted climate. I highly doubt 1:40 on YouTube is going to change the science behind that. You won't believe this ONE WEIRD TRICK that will change the climate! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #2403 April 23, 2020 Ouch, it looks like I have struck a nerve. When BillV can only parrot SkyDekker, who is parroting click bait, I know I have made an impact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #2404 April 23, 2020 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #2405 April 23, 2020 (edited) Thanks professor, I would expect nothing more from you. PS I'm glad you son is doing better. Edited April 23, 2020 by brenthutch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #2406 April 23, 2020 14 hours ago, brenthutch said: Still no reply? Looks like we are having a night of introspection. Your argument is that we have affected the climate, but we cannot affect the climate. I simply cannot argue with such genius. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 492 #2407 April 23, 2020 "climate change is real" and then he'll jump on the first article saying it isn't changing. Also interesting how he changed the topic when he got absolutely owned on the NOAA results for 2019. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #2408 April 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, olofscience said: "climate change is real" and then he'll jump on the first article saying it isn't changing. Also interesting how he changed the topic when he got absolutely owned on the NOAA results for 2019. He did at east recognize that we had an affect on the climate - Its a slow road - but its slowly working. Small moves, Ellie. Baby steps. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #2409 April 23, 2020 39 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Your argument is that we have affected the climate, but we cannot affect the climate. I simply cannot argue with such genius. Lots of stable geniuses with a very, very large brains around lately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,468 #2410 April 23, 2020 1 hour ago, billvon said: Lots of stable geniuses with a very, very large brains around lately. Hi Bill, Actually, a few more than we need. Jerry Baumchen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #2411 April 23, 2020 I think this weeks demonstrations underline the fact that you'll only be able to push your agenda so far before people rebel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #2412 April 23, 2020 Just now, airdvr said: I think this weeks demonstrations underline the fact that you'll only be able to push your agenda so far before people rebel. If you think the demonstrations last weekend were the 'people rebelling', I would strongly suggest taking a good look at who organized & promoted them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #2413 April 23, 2020 Doesn't matter who organized and promoted. You don't think people will organize and promote against the climate change agenda? The only reason it's not happening now is it doesn't hurt yet. Kind of like the frog in the boiling water. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #2414 April 23, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, SkyDekker said: Your argument is that we have affected the climate, but we cannot affect the climate. I simply cannot argue with such genius. I gave a specific example, the urban heat island effect. You are the one who seems to think we can control the global climate. Again with all of the vitriolic PAs that video must have made a sting. As far as the NOAA prediction, NOAA concluded that 2019 was COOLER than it had been in the past. He shoots, he scores! Nearly 50 posts following my linking to the Earth Day documentary and still no one can talk about it. Fascinating Edited April 23, 2020 by brenthutch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #2415 April 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Nearly 50 posts following my linking to the Earth Day documentary and still no one can talk about it. Fascinating Not really. The specific part you pointed out to me starts with the set-up of a strawman argument. If that was the most salient part of the video, the rest must be even bigger bullshit. So, never wasted time on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #2416 April 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, brenthutch said: NOAA concluded that 2019 was COOLER than it had been in the past. I don't see that anywhere. Seeing some rumblings about 2019 being the second warmest year on record. Which I guess means it did cool from the warmest year on record. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #2417 April 23, 2020 15 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Not really. The specific part you pointed out to me starts with the set-up of a strawman argument. If that was the most salient part of the video, the rest must be even bigger bullshit. So, never wasted time on it. One of the other points was that Big Green has been co-opeted by and is in bed with, big banks, billionaires, oil and gas companies, and....get this.....the Koch brothers. Another point was all of the heavy industry required to manufacture "green tech", the bit on "how solar panels are made" was particularly enlightening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #2418 April 23, 2020 1 minute ago, brenthutch said: One of the other points was that Big Green has been co-opeted by and is in bed with, big banks, billionaires, oil and gas companies, and....get this.....the Koch brothers. Another point was all of the heavy industry required to manufacture "green tech", the bit on "how solar panels are made" was particularly enlightening. No doubt capitalism will co-opt climate change to make money. That is what capitalism does, that's how it works. There will definitely be companies offering "green" products with no motivation other than to make money. They may even make products that aren't green. However, that doesn't change any of the principles behind it. Humans have affected climate and humans can affect climate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #2419 April 23, 2020 (edited) One of the main points was that "green" was anything but green, and in some instances was actually far worse than traditional fossil fuels and that most "green" energy came from burning trees, garbage and ethanol not wind and solar (by a long shot). Edited April 23, 2020 by brenthutch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #2420 April 23, 2020 2 hours ago, SkyDekker said: I don't see that anywhere. Seeing some rumblings about 2019 being the second warmest year on record. Which I guess means it did cool from the warmest year on record. "There's only one problem with global warming - it ended in 2016!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #2421 April 23, 2020 15 minutes ago, billvon said: "There's only one problem with global warming - it ended in 2016!" Did you watch the video? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #2422 April 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Did you watch the video? Can you provide evidence the NOAA claimed 2019 was cooler than the past? Nothing in their press releases. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,940 #2423 April 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, billvon said: "There's only one problem with global warming - it ended in 2016!" Someone forgot to tell the Caribbean Sea. Sea Surface Temperatures are 1-1.5°C higher than last year. That's from my own ships instruments and my proprietary scrawny ass-o-meter. Look for increased and more severe tropical storm activity in the Caribbean this year with continued climate change denial giving way to frequent I told you so's in Mifflin County, PA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #2424 April 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Can you provide evidence the NOAA claimed 2019 was cooler than the past? Nothing in their press releases. It just stands to reason, if 2019 was the second warmest year that it is cooler than the first most warmer year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #2425 April 23, 2020 1 minute ago, JoeWeber said: Someone forgot to tell the Caribbean Sea. Someone forgot to tell central PA, we had snow flurries here today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
