Cohen

[nigel99 616]

I’ve been thinking about this. As much as I despice Trump I think it is disgusting that Cohen appears to be passing the buck and saying ‘Trump directed him to break the law’. Firstly he’s a lawyer and it would have been his job to advise Trump of what was legal or not. If Trump said I don’t care do it, he could have walked away and ended the relationship.

As a side note, I wonder if Trump regrets becoming president. He could have stayed as a pseudo mob criminal and lived a happy life without all this pesky scrutiny

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[RonD1120 62]

nigel99

I wonder if Trump regrets becoming president. He could have stayed as a pseudo mob criminal and lived a happy life without all this pesky scrutiny

That is an excellent question. I believe he understood the risks and attacks he would face. No other political figure in my lifetime has had to endure the hate on a daily basis as President Trump. He has overcome and survived for over two years. Why? First, for whatever reason, God's favor is with him. Second, he is a true patriot and he loves America.

He will fight with all the resources available to him to keep the U.S. from becoming just another cesspool socialist disaster. Fifty percent of the people and a vast majority of the geography of America stand with him.

WWG1WGA

The movement is growing. The symbolism is being seen in Europe as well.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[wmw999 2,587]

Ron, you and the hard-right conservatives you insist are in the majority and deserve to rule the country heaped at least as much hate on Obama. At least. The fact that you think that was justified (and therefore somehow different) doesn't change it.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[RonD1120 62]

wmw999

Ron, you and the hard-right conservatives you insist are in the majority and deserve to rule the country heaped at least as much hate on Obama. At least. The fact that you think that was justified (and therefore somehow different) doesn't change it.

Wendy P.

It is difficult for me as a Christian to admit how much I hate Hussein and HRC. My anger began when Bill was elected in 1992 and has escalated since. I have to pray and remind myself that all this is the way of the world which is under the control of Satan.

The enemy can be defeated and we must constantly strive to accomplish that goal. Until he is defeated our job is to make it as difficult as possible for him.

[The storm is coming.]

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jakee 1,594]

nigel99

I’ve been thinking about this. As much as I despice Trump I think it is disgusting that Cohen appears to be passing the buck and saying ‘Trump directed him to break the law’.

Well, yeah. It’s a criminal conspiracy. Criminals don’t tend to be nice guys.

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Firstly he’s a lawyer and it would have been his job to advise Trump of what was legal or not. If Trump said I don’t care do it, he could have walked away and ended the relationship.

‘My lawyer said it was ok’ isn’t an excuse recognised by the law. Besides, Trump knows exactly what he employed a guy like Cohen for, and it wasn’t his brilliant ethical mind.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,594]

RonD1120

It is difficult for me as a Christian to admit how much I hate Hussein and HRC. My anger began when Bill was elected in 1992 and has escalated since. I have to pray and remind myself that all this is the way of the world which is under the control of Satan.

Thereby proving your first post entirely false.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

wmw999

Ron, you and the hard-right conservatives you insist are in the majority and deserve to rule the country heaped at least as much hate on Obama. At least. The fact that you think that was justified (and therefore somehow different) doesn't change it.

Wendy P.

And the funniest part of all this is that the attacks on Obama were largely false. Not a citizen, bowing to the Saudi prince, ect.

While the attacks on Trump are largely true.

Funny how the folks who believed and spread all sorts of lies about Obama scream "FAKE NEWS!!!" when accurate claims about Trump's behavior are made.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[RonD1120 62]

jakee

***It is difficult for me as a Christian to admit how much I hate Hussein and HRC. My anger began when Bill was elected in 1992 and has escalated since. I have to pray and remind myself that all this is the way of the world which is under the control of Satan.

Thereby proving your first post entirely false.

Maybe to you as you are handicapped by the rules of logic.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[Phil1111 1,173]

RonD1120

******It is difficult for me as a Christian to admit how much I hate Hussein and HRC. My anger began when Bill was elected in 1992 and has escalated since. I have to pray and remind myself that all this is the way of the world which is under the control of Satan.

Thereby proving your first post entirely false.

Maybe to you as you are handicapped by the rules of logic.

The only rules of logic are the weight of facts.

When trump realized the true nature of a special prosecutor. He began to regret what he previously considered to be a windfall as a mob boss. Because a microscope on his family's life of crime will be laid bare.Cohen could still be standing at the bench acting as the bullies apprentice. In the absence of a special prosecutor.

Cohen and trump are two of a kind. One no better than the other.

[normiss 892]

That's how collusion works and is typically sorted out via RICO charges.
We've never had such a criminal in the white house before.
Interesting to me that we have impeached for lying, yet not for actual felony criminal behavior.

[kallend 2,146]

RonD1120

***Ron, you and the hard-right conservatives you insist are in the majority and deserve to rule the country heaped at least as much hate on Obama. At least. The fact that you think that was justified (and therefore somehow different) doesn't change it.

Wendy P.

It is difficult for me as a Christian to admit how much I hate Hussein and HRC. My anger began when Bill was elected in 1992 and has escalated since. I have to pray and remind myself that all this is the way of the world which is under the control of Satan.

The enemy can be defeated and we must constantly strive to accomplish that goal. Until he is defeated our job is to make it as difficult as possible for him.

[The storm is coming.]

Utter balderdash.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[gowlerk 2,274]

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It is difficult for me as a Christian to admit how much I hate Hussein and HRC. My anger began when Bill was elected in 1992 and has escalated since. I have to pray and remind myself that all this is the way of the world which is under the control of Satan.

Another really good example of the truth of your belief in emotion as the ruling force in your life. Its a pity that the predominate emotion is hate though. But I understand that your hate is rooted in your fear. And I'm somewhat impressed that you show some awareness that your feelings are illogical.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[Phil1111 1,173]

normiss

That's how collusion works and is typically sorted out via RICO charges.
We've never had such a criminal in the white house before.
Interesting to me that we have impeached for lying, yet not for actual felony criminal behavior.

The night of the long knives is coming. Soon the republican guard will turn on its upstart leader, trump. It needs the Mueller report. It needs to feel and hear the damage inflicted upon the trump base. From democrat house hearings, public court filings from the SDNY and from indictments of underlings.

[jakee 1,594]

RonD1120

Maybe to you as you are handicapped by the rules of logic.

Oh Ron, I do love you sometimes.

You make me wonder if it's actually you that's the 4Chan troll, playing a joke on all of us. The only thing is I don't think anyone except Andy Kaufmann ever played a con this long.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 3,111]

>No other political figure in my lifetime has had to endure the hate on a daily basis as President Trump.

Except, of course, Obama.

>Second, he is a true patriot and he loves America.

Apparently he loves Russia just as much - if not more. Not for some high minded ideological reasons, but because he could profit from them.

>Fifty percent of the people and a vast majority of the geography of America stand with him.

Low 40's, actually. (And the mighty Sierra Nevadas oppose him, too.)

[yoink 321]

RonD1120

Fifty percent of the people and a vast majority of the geography of America stand with him.

You're just super comfortable with telling bare faced lies if it feeds your own fantasies, aren't you?

It's not 50% and rocks don't vote.

[billvon 3,111]

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As much as I despice Trump I think it is disgusting that Cohen appears to be passing the buck and saying ‘Trump directed him to break the law’. Firstly he’s a lawyer and it would have been his job to advise Trump of what was legal or not. If Trump said I don’t care do it, he could have walked away and ended the relationship.

Agreed. His claims of "but Trump told me to do it anyway!" hold no water in terms of mitigating his guilt. And he can't make the claim that he didn't think it was illegal.

It's also worth noting that although he says he's repented, the court filings show that he hasn't cooperated fully with Mueller - suggesting he is trying to play both sides. Give Mueller just enough to keep him out of jail, while not pissing off the pardon-wielder. Looks like he failed at both attempts.

[rushmc 23]

nigel99

I’ve been thinking about this. As much as I despice Trump I think it is disgusting that Cohen appears to be passing the buck and saying ‘Trump directed him to break the law’. Firstly he’s a lawyer and it would have been his job to advise Trump of what was legal or not. If Trump said I don’t care do it, he could have walked away and ended the relationship.

As a side note, I wonder if Trump regrets becoming president.d He could have stayed as a pseudo mob criminal and lived a happy life without all this pesky scrutiny

And there is more to it.


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ex-fec-commissioners-trump-cohen-hush-payments

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[pchapman 279]

rushmc

And there is more to it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ex-fec-commissioners-trump-cohen-hush-payments

That was actually a useful contribution. From a right wing but not totally nutso site. Differing opinions from former FEC chairs as to what actually constitutes a campaign finance violation, and what the penalties have historically been.
Doesn't change Trump's endless malfeasance and lying, but good to put things in perspective.

[DJL 235]

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It's not 50% and rocks don't vote.

Coal is very anti-Trump. He wants them dug up and burned!

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[rushmc 23]

pchapman

***

And there is more to it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ex-fec-commissioners-trump-cohen-hush-payments

That was actually a useful contribution. From a right wing but not totally nutso site. Differing opinions from former FEC chairs as to what actually constitutes a campaign finance violation, and what the penalties have historically been.
Doesn't change Trump's endless malfeasance and lying, but good to put things in perspective.

Obama was for mis-use of campain dollars.
Edwards was not charged.

The only thing different here is the mindless hate towards Trump.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

pchapman

That was actually a useful contribution. From a right wing but not totally nutso site. Differing opinions from former FEC chairs as to what actually constitutes a campaign finance violation, and what the penalties have historically been.
Doesn't change Trump's endless malfeasance and lying, but good to put things in perspective.

It's always interesting to hear the Trumpettes claim 'OBAMA did it FIRST!!!'

Even Trump himself claimed that.

But the Obama was only fined. No criminal charges.

Is it because liberals get away with stuff like this?

Or is it because Obama's violations were far, far, far less serious.

Obama's campaign was fined for failing to report donations within 48 hours, erroneous dates on contribution reports and being late returning some donations that were in excess of the limit.

OTOH, Trump and Cohen intentionally:

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Knowingly and willfully caused a corporation to make a contribution and expenditure … to ensure that Woman-1 did not publicize damaging allegations before the 2016 presidential election and thereby influence that election.
[and]
Knowingly and willfully made and caused to be made a contribution … in excess of the limits of the Election Act … to Woman-2 to ensure that she did not publicize damaging allegations before the 2016 presidential election and thereby influence that election.

The false equivalence is pretty typical.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[pchapman 279]

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Actually Rush, the snopes article comparing Obama and Trump on the campaign finance issue is instructive. Snopes isn't perfect but they try to be a serious, balanced source.

See https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/08/22/election-law-violations-compared-obama-2008-vs-trump-2016/

The Obama situation was mainly some sloppy paperwork here and there in a billion dollar (ouch) campaign, missing some reporting deadlines, having some wrong dates attached, and missing 48 hour notices for a couple million in donations. All pretty minor stuff given the size of the campaign but the FEC takes it seriously and expects the paperwork to be right.

A quote from a former FEC chair, discussing what makes a campaign finance issue criminal (as Cohen pled to), versus just civil (as for the Obama campaign):

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Not only does the matter have to be something that is purposeful, but it [also has to be] a major violation. People often have reporting violations [and] that’s what the Obama ones were determined to be.

In [Cohen’s] case, what [the Department of Justice] determined is that there was a criminal intent to hide a campaign contribution … and so, it falls within a criminal violation, as opposed to just a civil one to be enforced by the FEC.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Cohen is so stupid he plead guilty to something that isn't a crime?

[gowlerk 2,274]

SkyDekker

Cohen is so stupid he plead guilty to something that isn't a crime?

That seems to be what the "Trump Nation" is being told to believe. And so, of course they are. One born every minute, as you know.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.