Sessions is out

[billvon 3,107]

Looks like Trump's appointment of Whitaker is both illegal and unconstitutional.

Here's what the Constitution says about it:
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[The President] shall . . .with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for.
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I didn't see him even try to get any Senate consent.

Why is the above so important? From the Federalist papers:
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To what purpose then require the co-operation of the Senate? I answer, that the necessity of their concurrence would have a powerful, though, in general, a silent operation. It would be an excellent check upon a spirit of favoritism in the President, and would tend greatly to prevent the appointment of unfit characters from State prejudice, from family connection, from personal attachment, or from a view to popularity. In addition to this, it would be an efficacious source of stability in the administration.

It will readily be comprehended, that a man who had himself the sole disposition of offices, would be governed much more by his private inclinations and interests, than when he was bound to submit the propriety of his choice to the discussion and determination of a different and independent body, and that body an entier branch of the legislature. The possibility of rejection would be a strong motive to care in proposing. The danger to his own reputation, and, in the case of an elective magistrate, to his political existence, from betraying a spirit of favoritism, or an unbecoming pursuit of popularity, to the observation of a body whose opinion would have great weight in forming that of the public, could not fail to operate as a barrier to the one and to the other. He would be both ashamed and afraid to bring forward, for the most distinguished or lucrative stations, candidates who had no other merit than that of coming from the same State to which he particularly belonged, or of being in some way or other personally allied to him, or of possessing the necessary insignificance and pliancy to render them the obsequious instruments of his pleasure.
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That fits Trump to a tee - and this appointment is the exact sort of abuse that the Founding Fathers sought to prevent with the "advice and consent" requirement.

[Phil1111 1,168]

SkyDekker

Really the only difference between this and sharia is the religion.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/08/matthew-whitaker-acting-attorney-general-judges-christian?CMP=twt_gu&__twitter_impression=true

Mods should move this to the Banana Republic thread where it belongs.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Phil1111

***Really the only difference between this and sharia is the religion.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/08/matthew-whitaker-acting-attorney-general-judges-christian?CMP=twt_gu&__twitter_impression=true

Mods should move this to the Banana Republic thread where it belongs.

I was debating that when I posted. But didn't think there were Muslim Banana Republics.....

[RonD1120 62]

billvon

Looks like Trump's appointment of Whitaker is both illegal and unconstitutional.

Here's what the Constitution says about it:
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[The President] shall . . .with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for.
=============================

I didn't see him even try to get any Senate consent.

Why is the above so important? From the Federalist papers:
==========
To what purpose then require the co-operation of the Senate? I answer, that the necessity of their concurrence would have a powerful, though, in general, a silent operation. It would be an excellent check upon a spirit of favoritism in the President, and would tend greatly to prevent the appointment of unfit characters from State prejudice, from family connection, from personal attachment, or from a view to popularity. In addition to this, it would be an efficacious source of stability in the administration.

It will readily be comprehended, that a man who had himself the sole disposition of offices, would be governed much more by his private inclinations and interests, than when he was bound to submit the propriety of his choice to the discussion and determination of a different and independent body, and that body an entier branch of the legislature. The possibility of rejection would be a strong motive to care in proposing. The danger to his own reputation, and, in the case of an elective magistrate, to his political existence, from betraying a spirit of favoritism, or an unbecoming pursuit of popularity, to the observation of a body whose opinion would have great weight in forming that of the public, could not fail to operate as a barrier to the one and to the other. He would be both ashamed and afraid to bring forward, for the most distinguished or lucrative stations, candidates who had no other merit than that of coming from the same State to which he particularly belonged, or of being in some way or other personally allied to him, or of possessing the necessary insignificance and pliancy to render them the obsequious instruments of his pleasure.
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That fits Trump to a tee - and this appointment is the exact sort of abuse that the Founding Fathers sought to prevent with the "advice and consent" requirement.

It is my understanding that he is acting AG. The scary part for Deep State is that he outranks [RR].

Hmmm! I wonder what the effect/affect?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[billvon 3,107]

>It is my understanding that he is acting AG.

Yes, that is how Trump is trying to get around the law.

What's wrong with obeying the law?

[RonD1120 62]

billvon

>It is my understanding that he is acting AG.

Yes, that is how Trump is trying to get around the law.

What's wrong with obeying the law?

What's wrong with a temporary appointment? What do you fear?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[normiss 891]

Maybe because this idiot thinks courts should judge on god first, constitution second.
That's simply insane, and not how law works in the US.
Or used to.
Current administration has no value nor respect in the Constitution.
We're a third world shit hole now though, so who knows.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

RonD1120

***>It is my understanding that he is acting AG.

Yes, that is how Trump is trying to get around the law.

What's wrong with obeying the law?

What's wrong with a temporary appointment? What do you fear?

Religious fundamentalism in power. That's what I fear.

How would you feel if he was Muslim?

And had stated that judges should follow Sharia law?

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[yoink 321]

RonD1120

***>It is my understanding that he is acting AG.

Yes, that is how Trump is trying to get around the law.

What's wrong with obeying the law?

What's wrong with a temporary appointment? What do you fear?

As a workaround to the legality of the constitution?


Is that a trick question or do you really not give a damn about anything but the 2nd Amendment that's in there.
Some patriot, Ron.

[JoeWeber 2,932]

RonD1120

***>It is my understanding that he is acting AG.

Yes, that is how Trump is trying to get around the law.

What's wrong with obeying the law?

What's wrong with a temporary appointment? What do you fear?

Whitaker is a partisan hack, a nobody who rose to fame pandering to right wing crazies arguing Hillary Clinton should be prosecuted and that there was no Russian collusion with the Trump campaign and that Mueller probe was a useless expensive waste 3 months into it when nothing was yet known. And on and on and on.

What do I fear? I fear for my country. And I fear you.

[RonD1120 62]

JoeWeber

******>It is my understanding that he is acting AG.

Yes, that is how Trump is trying to get around the law.

What's wrong with obeying the law?

What's wrong with a temporary appointment? What do you fear?

Whitaker is a partisan hack, a nobody who rose to fame pandering to right wing crazies arguing Hillary Clinton should be prosecuted and that there was no Russian collusion with the Trump campaign and that Mueller probe was a useless expensive waste 3 months into it when nothing was yet known. And on and on and on.

Consider that may be the truth.

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What do I fear? I fear for my country. And I fear you.

Don't fear me. I am an old man living out the remainder of my life in Christian sanctity in the mountains. However...

WWG1WGA

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jakee 1,593]

RonD1120

***Whitaker is a partisan hack, a nobody who rose to fame pandering to right wing crazies arguing Hillary Clinton should be prosecuted and that there was no Russian collusion with the Trump campaign and that Mueller probe was a useless expensive waste 3 months into it when nothing was yet known. And on and on and on.

Consider that may be the truth.
And it doesn't bother you?

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WWG1WGA

All right D'Artagnan

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Phil1111 1,168]

RonD1120

***...
Whitaker is a partisan hack, ...

Consider that may be the truth.

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What do I fear? I fear for my country. And I fear you.

Don't fear me. I am an old man living out the remainder of my life in Christian sanctity in the mountains. However...

WWG1WGA

Ron, America will turn the ship to the centrist ideologies that made it great before. Not the hodgepodge populist ideas of a self serving criminal. Instead one that believes leadership for all, benefits all.

You're like the Boer's in SA that fought in their rural enclaves the right of all to achieve freedom.Blacks included.

"The Boers were hostile toward indigenous African peoples, with whom they fought frequent range wars, and toward the government of the Cape, which was attempting to control Boer movements and commerce. They overtly compared their way of life to that of the Hebrew patriarchs of the Bible, developing independent patriarchal communities based upon a mobile pastoralist economy. Staunch Calvinists, they saw themselves as the children of God in the wilderness, a Christian elect divinely ordained to rule the land and the backward natives therein"
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Boer-people

Joe, America has professional LE, the FBI. A free press. A independent judiciary. All of these were bought by the blood of the war of independence and the civil war. Someone of trump's caliber will not destroy those ideals.

Whitaker alone cannot corrupt the department of justice. Leaks, a free press, States courts, etc. will crush him. trump's actions are the acts of desperation. Pushing the women and children aside to reach the lifeboats on the titanic.

From 08.23.18;

"The Fox News host and his team put together a segment Wednesday night in which he bemoaned that a land-reform policy proposal in South Africa was sparking the murdering of white farmers in that country. It was a dubious claim at best (the so-called white land grab would also apply to black farmers, among other things). But it hit all the right notes for President Donald Trump.

Later that evening, Trump proclaimed, via Twitter, that he had asked his secretary of state to check in on the matter of “farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers.” The “South African Government,” he added, “is now seizing land from white farmers.’” In case there was any confusion where he got the idea, Trump helpfully tagged his tweet with the verified handles “@TuckerCarlson” and “@FoxNews.”

To say this is not how foreign policy is traditionally made is a tremendous understatement. Trump’s missive drew the ire of not just the Anti-Defamation League but also senior South African government officials. And he did it all, it appears, without bothering to dive much further into the topic than watching that single cable-news segment that evening on TV. "
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-has-found-a-voice-to-love-in-tucker-carlson-that-love-isnt-always-returned

[billvon 3,107]

RonD1120

*** . . .arguing Hillary Clinton should be prosecuted and that there was no Russian collusion with the Trump campaign and that Mueller probe was a useless expensive waste 3 months into it when nothing was yet known. And on and on and on.

Consider that may be the truth.
All of that is objectively false.

The reason the deep state (i.e. the US Constitution, the military that supports it, US law, the various institutions of government that try to ensure separation of powers, the Founding Fathers) fear it is that the US Constitution was created expressly to prevent this from happening - from a charismatic leader from taking over the government and imposing his will by fiat over the provisions of the Constitution.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

billvon

****** . . .arguing Hillary Clinton should be prosecuted and that there was no Russian collusion with the Trump campaign and that Mueller probe was a useless expensive waste 3 months into it when nothing was yet known. And on and on and on.

Consider that may be the truth.
All of that is objectively false.

The reason the deep state (i.e. the US Constitution, the military that supports it, US law, the various institutions of government that try to ensure separation of powers, the Founding Fathers) fear it is that the US Constitution was created expressly to prevent this from happening - from a charismatic leader from taking over the government and imposing his will by fiat over the provisions of the Constitution.

You mean things like locking up political opponents without charge or due process?
Overruling long standing Supreme Court decisions with Executive Orders?
Putting tax cuts into place without Congress' approval?

Stuff like that?

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[billvon 3,107]

Interesting developments.

The new AG, Matt Whitaker, played a leading role in a company being investigated by the FBI for fraud; he was used to threaten clients who refused to participate in their scam. Serious conflict-of-interest issues have arisen due to his partisan approach to the Clinton investigation. He has said that only Christians should be judges. He claimed that the Judicial branch should be inferior to the executive. Close colleagues have called him a "fucking fool.*"

Meanwhile, Trump is starting to distance himself from Whitaker by lying about it. (Which isn't unusual; it's how he does everything.) From NPR:

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"I don't know Matt Whitaker," Trump told reporters on Friday as he left the White House for a trip to Paris. "Matt Whitaker worked for Jeff Sessions. And he was always extremely highly thought of and he still is. But I didn't know Matt Whitaker."

In fact, Trump has met with his hand-picked appointee more than a dozen times. As Sessions' chief of staff, Whitaker reportedly accompanied his boss to the Oval Office on multiple occasions.

"Matt Whitaker is a great guy. I mean, I know Matt Whitaker," Trump told Fox News last month.
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* - “He’s a fucking fool. He’s spent so much time trying to suck up to the president to get here. But this is a big job. It comes with many responsibilities. He just simply doesn’t have the wherewithal.”

[billvon 3,107]

Yep, I give Trump a week before he starts saying "Matt who?"

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Trump's acting attorney general involved in firm that scammed veterans out of life savings
Matthew Whitaker was paid advisory board member for WPM
Veteran: ‘I spent the money on a dream. I lost everything’

Fri 9 Nov 2018
The Guardian

Donald Trump’s new acting attorney general, Matthew Whitaker, was involved in a company that scammed US military veterans out of their life savings, according to court filings and interviews.

Whitaker, a former US attorney in Iowa, was paid to work as an advisory board member for World Patent Marketing (WPM), a Florida-based company accused by the US government of tricking aspiring inventors out of millions of dollars. Earlier this year, it was ordered to pay authorities $26m.

Several veterans, two of them with disabilities, said they lost tens of thousands of dollars in the WPM scam, having been enticed into paying for patenting and licensing services by the impressive credentials of Whitaker and his fellow advisers. None said they dealt with Whitaker directly.

“World Patent Marketing has devastated me emotionally, mentally and financially,” Melvin Kiaaina, of Hawaii, told a federal court last year, adding that he trusted the firm with his life savings in part because it “had respected people on the board of directors”.
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[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Pffft.

Trump probably admires his ability to con people.

After all, given Trump U, where he conned 'students' out of their money; and Trump's bankruptcies, where Trump screwed vendors and contractors out of the money he owed them, Trump probably views Whitaker's actions as a positive.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[kallend 2,146]

billvon

Yep, I give Trump a week before he starts saying "Matt who?"

Isn't he guy who fetches the coffee?

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