Biblical Basis for War

[Phil1111 1,173]

trump, Christians, republicans, nuttier and nuttier.

"Washington state Rep. Matt Shea (R) has a long history of extremism, but a newly unveiled document demonstrates his desire to violently impose dogmatic Christianity on the world.

In his “Biblical Basis for War” manifesto that was leaked last week, he lays out an expectation that others surrender to biblical obedience, including an end to abortion and marriage for same-sex couples."
https://thinkprogress.org/washington-state-lawmaker-matt-shea-biblical-basis-for-war-1675753b0bc8/

His manifesto:
https://www.spokesman.com/documents/2018/oct/25/biblical-basis-war/

Republican Politician's 'Biblical Basis for War' Called for Killing All Non-Christian Men Who Don't 'Yield'
https://www.newsweek.com/republican-politicians-biblical-basis-war-kill-non-christians-washington-1197703

[gowlerk 2,274]

This is just the kind of thing I was talking about. Where's Joe with that Tom Cochrane song?

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[JoeWeber 2,936]

gowlerk

This is just the kind of thing I was talking about. Where's Joe with that Tom Cochrane song?

At your disposal, as ever.

Lunatic fringe
I know you're out there
You're in hiding
And you hold your meetings
I can hear you coming
I know what you're after
We're wise to you this time (wise to you this time)
We won't let you kill the laughter
Oh oh oh
Oh oh oh
Oh oh oh
Lunatic fringe
In the twilight's last gleaming
But this is open season
But you won't get too far
'Cause you've got to blame someone
For your own confusion
We're on guard this time (on guard this time)
Against your final solution
Oh no
Oh oh oh
Oh oh oh
Oh oh oh
We can hear you coming (we can hear you coming)
No, you're not going to win this time (not gonna win)
We can hear the footsteps (we can hear the footsteps)
Hey, out along the walkway (out along the walkway)
Lunatic fringe
We all know you're out there
Can you feel the resistance
Can you feel the thunder
Oh no
Hey!
…

[piisfish 140]

Change the name of the place to Gilead already.

scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM

[motionscribe 0]

JoeWeber

***This is just the kind of thing I was talking about. Where's Joe with that Tom Cochrane song?

At your disposal, as ever.

Lunatic fringe

See, this is part of the problem. Liberals/democrats focus on the fringe, and then with one broad stroke alienate the rest of right leaning independents/conservatives, along with anyone else that would otherwise be inclined to give them the power.

JoeWeber

I know you're out there
You're in hiding
And you hold your meetings
I can hear you coming

No, they're not hiding, and no, you didn't hear them coming.
The Federalist Society has been around since the 80s. They are the most influential legal organization in the country and have been a breeding ground for conservative judges, lawyers, politicians, etc. . .

It wasn't necessarily a bad thing, but it has been ignored and unchecked by the left for far too long.

Rather than having meaningful protests and bringing attention to real racist politicians and white supremacy keynote speakers in the Federalist Society, liberals were running around acting like fools, egging on a bunch of double digit IQ redneck KKK wannabees and getting themselves killed over some stupid, god-damned fucking statue.

JoeWeber

I know what you're after
We're wise to you this time (wise to you this time)
We won't let you kill the laughter

But they're laughing at you.

Liberals/Democrats need to get their shit together.

Do you really think that people in the midwest and eastern states are so preoccupied with concerns about the mexicans, the border, homosexuals, etc., as if that's the first thing on their mind when they wake up in the morning? Do you really think broad-brushing them as racist, misogynistic xenophobes has any effect on them?

Of course not, most are indifferent when it comes to those issues. They just care about their families, their jobs and concerns about rising costs for shittier healthcare. That's it - and there's nothing inherently wrong with that. And there's this feeling that the republicans are the only ones capable of addressing their concerns or at least care enough to acknowledge them.

Most of these people have been life long democrats, it's only recently that they've jumped ship. If democrats can once again focus on their needs and whats best for the country as a whole, then they'd be more than willing to give the power back to the democrats - hell, they're practically begging for it.

For the last 10 years or so, I've been putting other people's interest ahead of my own, but it's taken it's toll. And because of that, I can't help as much as I have in the past. If I end up as broken as those I'm trying to help, how long can I go on helping them?

Democrats have to once again start focusing on the lives of those that can put them back in power, rather than focusing on all these emotional minority issues that will never bring them the votes needed to effect change. First things first, right? Only then will they'll actually have some power to deal with all these minority issues - that is if they really care about minorities first place, as much as they act. . .

[RonD1120 62]

motionscribe

******This is just the kind of thing I was talking about. Where's Joe with that Tom Cochrane song?

At your disposal, as ever.

Lunatic fringe

See, this is part of the problem. Liberals/democrats focus on the fringe, and then with one broad stroke alienate the rest of right leaning independents/conservatives, along with anyone else that would otherwise be inclined to give them the power.

JoeWeber

I know you're out there
You're in hiding
And you hold your meetings
I can hear you coming

No, they're not hiding, and no, you didn't hear them coming.
The Federalist Society has been around since the 80s. They are the most influential legal organization in the country and have been a breeding ground for conservative judges, lawyers, politicians, etc. . .

It wasn't necessarily a bad thing, but it has been ignored and unchecked by the left for far too long.

Rather than having meaningful protests and bringing attention to real racist politicians and white supremacy keynote speakers in the Federalist Society, liberals were running around acting like fools, egging on a bunch of double digit IQ redneck KKK wannabees and getting themselves killed over some stupid, god-damned fucking statue.

JoeWeber

I know what you're after
We're wise to you this time (wise to you this time)
We won't let you kill the laughter

But they're laughing at you.

Liberals/Democrats need to get their shit together.

Do you really think that people in the midwest and eastern states are so preoccupied with concerns about the mexicans, the border, homosexuals, etc., as if that's the first thing on their mind when they wake up in the morning? Do you really think broad-brushing them as racist, misogynistic xenophobes has any effect on them?

Of course not, most are indifferent when it comes to those issues. They just care about their families, their jobs and concerns about rising costs for shittier healthcare. That's it - and there's nothing inherently wrong with that. And there's this feeling that the republicans are the only ones capable of addressing their concerns or at least care enough to acknowledge them.

Most of these people have been life long democrats, it's only recently that they've jumped ship. If democrats can once again focus on their needs and whats best for the country as a whole, then they'd be more than willing to give the power back to the democrats - hell, they're practically begging for it.

For the last 10 years or so, I've been putting other people's interest ahead of my own, but it's taken it's toll. And because of that, I can't help as much as I have in the past. If I end up as broken as those I'm trying to help, how long can I go on helping them?

Democrats have to once again start focusing on the lives of those that can put them back in power, rather than focusing on all these emotional minority issues that will never bring them the votes needed to effect change. First things first, right? Only then will they'll actually have some power to deal with all these minority issues - that is if they really care about minorities first place, as much as they act. . .

Thus it is true, progressive liberalism is a mental illness. It focuses on the emotional instability of the emotionally insecure and enhances their immaturity with promises that are not sustainable. Their course of action is to expand, create, and take advantage of every social ill.

Liberals are not capable of solving problems. They can only keep them in the foreground of a warped perception.

The intellectually elite seek power and wealth by attempting to maintain and or create more fear among the less fortunate.

The Democratic Party has become a collection of social misfits and dysfunctional adolescent-minded adults crying for special consideration and treatment.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[motionscribe 0]

That's why it's up to us to be the bigger man. . .

"When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways."

The childish conservative rhetoric over the last couple years might just cause those "dysfunctional adolescent-minded adults" to take control. We were given great power, but what did we do with it?

"Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles, lest the Lord see it and be displeased, and turn away his anger from him."

"The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away"

[gowlerk 2,274]

piisfish

Change the name of the place to Gilead already.

Having not read that novel I had to do a little research to find out why you said that. I also found this tidbit.

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"Gilead" mentioned in the Book of Hosea may refer to Ramoth-Gilead, Jabesh-Gilead, or the whole Gilead region; "Gilead is a city of those who work iniquity; it is stained with blood"

Sounds about right.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[ryoder 1,590]

JoeWeber

***This is just the kind of thing I was talking about. Where's Joe with that Tom Cochrane song?

At your disposal, as ever.

Lunatic fringe
…

It's funny; After hearing that song many times over the years, and enjoying it, I had never paid any attention to the words; I just liked the music. It was only when you mentioned it a couple days ago that I looked up the lyrics.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[RonD1120 62]

motionscribe

That's why it's up to us to be the bigger man. . .

"When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways."

The childish conservative rhetoric over the last couple years might just cause those "dysfunctional adolescent-minded adults" to take control. We were given great power, but what did we do with it?

"Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles, lest the Lord see it and be displeased, and turn away his anger from him."

"The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away"

Some 30 years ago I read Babylon The Great Is Falling by Jack Hook.

Hook is a Vietnam vet, which was an attractive factor for me, and he spoke of the internal inherent evil in the U.S.A. and our government. His premise was that we were headed for a bad time, it was scriptural and we deserved it.

I was angered and hid the book in my library. I am a nationalistic patriot and chalked him up as malcontent from the war.

And then we left President Reagan and got the first of the Bushes and Clinton. They were followed by GW and Obama. I read his book again.

America, IMO, is already in a cultural civil war with a reasonable chance it will escalate past the verbal accusation stage.

Regardless of what JoeWeber thinks about my phraseology, I believe SHTF is moving closer to the service. We have to maintain our faith in Christ and we have to prepare for pragmatic reality.

Many years ago I stated that one of my reasons for maintaining a presence here was to identify allies. Andy9o8 compared my position to dogs in the park sniffing each other's butts. That was amusing but the truth remains that we need to know who we can trust and who to guard against.

I voted to stop the evil that is the Clintons, specifically Hillary. After that victory, the rest remains unknown. I look everywhere for clues. Bible prophecy is compared MSM, which is balanced by conservative talk show hosts. Qanon is a mysterious source of esoteric cryptology which is analyzed extensively by independent investigators on YouTube.

One must have strong faith to go on. The highest and strongest faith is in Jesus the Christ, the Holy Spirit and God our Father in heaven.

WWG1WGA in Christ.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[gowlerk 2,274]

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See, this is part of the problem. Liberals/democrats focus on the fringe, and then with one broad stroke alienate the rest of right leaning independents/conservatives, along with anyone else that would otherwise be inclined to give them the power.

The claims made by the leaders of the right and the media circus that support them are by far the broadest of broad stroke painters in your nation. Liberals do not focus on the fringe players, but we are aware of them, which is the message of the song. This is the topic of this thread, so please excuse me for referring to the danger. There is no left wing equivalent of Alex Jones and his way of turning evil events into fame and profit for himself.

The modern R party does contain a lot of relatively moderate people. But at the moment it is largely controlled by those who desire to move closer to the extreme. In my view the D party is much closer to the centre. The most far left wing position current being fought for by the progressive movement is for some form of universal healthcare. In the world outside of US this is considered a baseline benefit of living in an advanced society.

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Of course not, most are indifferent when it comes to those issues. They just care about their families, their jobs and concerns about rising costs for shittier healthcare. That's it - and there's nothing inherently wrong with that.

The right wing, aided by those who stand to lose money and power within the shitty healthcare system is fighting this tooth and nail. All this gnashing of teeth of the "invasion" is nothing but a side show designed to stir emotions and divert from the real issues that matter.

With the Rs pandering to the fears of the whites and evangelicals, therefore alienating large numbers of everyone else it is no wonder that those others have moved to the Ds. Where else can they go? It's a two party system. Steve Bannon types love this. They call it "identity politics". And they feel they can win based on the current demographics.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[JoeWeber 2,936]

motionscribe

******This is just the kind of thing I was talking about. Where's Joe with that Tom Cochrane song?

At your disposal, as ever.

Lunatic fringe

See, this is part of the problem. Liberals/democrats focus on the fringe, and then with one broad stroke alienate the rest of right leaning independents/conservatives, along with anyone else that would otherwise be inclined to give them the power.

JoeWeber

I know you're out there
You're in hiding
And you hold your meetings
I can hear you coming

No, they're not hiding, and no, you didn't hear them coming.
The Federalist Society has been around since the 80s. They are the most influential legal organization in the country and have been a breeding ground for conservative judges, lawyers, politicians, etc. . .

It wasn't necessarily a bad thing, but it has been ignored and unchecked by the left for far too long.

Rather than having meaningful protests and bringing attention to real racist politicians and white supremacy keynote speakers in the Federalist Society, liberals were running around acting like fools, egging on a bunch of double digit IQ redneck KKK wannabees and getting themselves killed over some stupid, god-damned fucking statue.

JoeWeber

I know what you're after
We're wise to you this time (wise to you this time)
We won't let you kill the laughter

But they're laughing at you.

Liberals/Democrats need to get their shit together.

Do you really think that people in the midwest and eastern states are so preoccupied with concerns about the mexicans, the border, homosexuals, etc., as if that's the first thing on their mind when they wake up in the morning? Do you really think broad-brushing them as racist, misogynistic xenophobes has any effect on them?

Of course not, most are indifferent when it comes to those issues. They just care about their families, their jobs and concerns about rising costs for shittier healthcare. That's it - and there's nothing inherently wrong with that. And there's this feeling that the republicans are the only ones capable of addressing their concerns or at least care enough to acknowledge them.

Most of these people have been life long democrats, it's only recently that they've jumped ship. If democrats can once again focus on their needs and whats best for the country as a whole, then they'd be more than willing to give the power back to the democrats - hell, they're practically begging for it.

For the last 10 years or so, I've been putting other people's interest ahead of my own, but it's taken it's toll. And because of that, I can't help as much as I have in the past. If I end up as broken as those I'm trying to help, how long can I go on helping them?

Democrats have to once again start focusing on the lives of those that can put them back in power, rather than focusing on all these emotional minority issues that will never bring them the votes needed to effect change. First things first, right? Only then will they'll actually have some power to deal with all these minority issues - that is if they really care about minorities first place, as much as they act. . .

First, full disclosure. I was not in the band Red Rider nor did I write any of the song Lunatic Fringe. I am simply enormously, forever grateful that Tom Cochrane was prescient enough to realize I'd need it for my material some day and that Ron would be on offer as an opportunity.

motionscribe, don't get your pants all twisted over reality. I remind you that you came out swinging with absurd claims about how those who don't agree with you often get themselves all confused understanding the sciences. Did you truly think that a Christian making such a claim wouldn't get some pushback? Were we all supposed to just silently think "Oh, the irony!" out of politeness and respect for your beliefs?

Those day's are done. Eons old truths, when spoken in public squares and open internet forums, will now be measured against the truths of today. No one is any more obligated to give Christian apologists a wide and friendly berth than they are to the adherents of the Monkey God Hanuman.

There is also a very critical philosophical difference here. I don't care at all what you believe if it makes you happy. Maybe you are right and I am wrong. I doubt it but it's possible. For certain, there is societal good that comes from some facets of religious belief. The problem is that you want me to believe it, too. You want me to accept that you are just being benignly helpful when you try to impose your beliefs and it's tenants on everyone and at our expense. So, now that doubters can not be jailed for disbelief, don't be surprised if you get some flack now and again.

And this:

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Do you really think that people in the midwest and eastern states are so preoccupied with concerns about the mexicans, the border, homosexuals, etc., as if that's the first thing on their mind when they wake up in the morning? Do you really think broad-brushing them as racist, misogynistic xenophobes has any effect on them?

Of course not, most are indifferent when it comes to those issues. They just care about their families, their jobs and concerns about rising costs for shittier healthcare. That's it - and there's nothing inherently wrong with that. And there's this feeling that the republicans are the only ones capable of addressing their concerns or at least care enough to acknowledge them.

Well, I've never broad brushed in that way. Quite obviously, however, there are scads of folks who can be excited to fret over distant Caravans of Invaders, hating their fellow citizens with different sexual natures, think what happens to women's bodies is open to third party interpretation, and who can also be bullshitted into believing that Republicans give a nit about their healthcare or living wage job. Enough so, it turned out, that people like Trump and McConnell can be elevated to positions quite suited to fucking them over even more. To that I also take exception.

[jacobdouglastx 1]

Exactly...

If the only game plan that the Liberals have is to whine and complain about Trump's every move then Trump will win in 2020...

[billvon 3,111]

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If the only game plan that the Liberals have is to whine and complain about Trump's every move then Trump will win in 2020...

Hey, it worked for the republicans in 2016.

"But her emails . . . ."

[wmw999 2,586]

You guys can have this side conversation about liberals, and get bent out of shape about people who pigeonhole conservatives? Dang, that’s kind of cute.

News flash. Liberals are individuals with talents and lack thereof, just like conservatives. Some are Christians, just like some conservatives. Some aren’t, just like some conservatives.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[tkhayes 348]

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Thus it is true, progressive liberalism is a mental illness. It focuses on the emotional instability of the emotionally insecure and enhances their immaturity with promises that are not sustainable. Their course of action is to expand, create, and take advantage of every social ill.

Liberals are not capable of solving problems. They can only keep them in the foreground of a warped perception.

The intellectually elite seek power and wealth by attempting to maintain and or create more fear among the less fortunate.

The Democratic Party has become a collection of social misfits and dysfunctional adolescent-minded adults crying for special consideration and treatment.

Jesus was a liberal progressive. Did you learn to speak like that from him? Or will you again try to differentiate your 'claimed beliefs' versus revealing the kind of person you actually are....

[gowlerk 2,274]

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Liberals are individuals with talents and lack thereof, just like conservatives. Some are Christians, just like some conservatives.

But Wendy, are they the correct sort of Christians?

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[billvon 3,111]

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Do you really think that people in the midwest and eastern states are so preoccupied with concerns about the mexicans, the border, homosexuals, etc., as if that's the first thing on their mind when they wake up in the morning?

They used to be. (Preoccupied about blacks, too.) You could even see vestiges of that here in this forum; witness Ron's angry screeds here against the homosexuals and transsexuals. Fortunately, they have become more liberal/progressive with time, as society has.

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Rather than having meaningful protests and bringing attention to real racist politicians and white supremacy keynote speakers in the Federalist Society, liberals were running around acting like fools, egging on a bunch of double digit IQ redneck KKK wannabees

A stark improvement over the days when black-rights activists "egging on" a bunch of double digit IQ redneck actual KKKers for lynching blacks. (Of course, they got the same sort of grief from the conservatives of their time.)

The days of the KKK are almost behind us. Trump gave them one last gasp (with his "both sides" and "very fine people" comments) but they won't last much longer. Unfortunately, they are still around - and it is best to not ignore that. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

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RonD1120

Regardless of what JoeWeber thinks about my phraseology

Given his response to some of my posts, I wouldn't credit him with much in the way of comprehension, so his opinion is of little import.

RonD1120

I believe SHTF is moving closer to the service. We have to maintain our faith in Christ and we have to prepare for pragmatic reality.

I can understand that. We both know where this place is headed. I'm just trying to buy some time for the others and make it a peaceful exit as possible. When SHTF, I might be leading a small group of new converts your way. We'll be headquartered along the Toccoa. What's ours is yours. If we need assistance, I got the password.

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JoeWeber

I remind you that you came out swinging with absurd claims about how those who don't agree with you often get themselves all confused understanding the sciences

Well it's true. IMO, most atheists truly don't understand the science they parrot, or - unless they are actual scientists - have no practical use for such knowledge other than to troll Christians, which IMO opinion is misguided and counterproductive to the overall acceptance of science in general.

JoeWeber

Did you truly think that a Christian making such a claim wouldn't get some pushback?

Actually, I was surprised about the lack of pushback. But that was most likely due to the fact that those who actually know science understood the point that I was trying to make, unlike you, DJL and tonyhays.

JoeWeber

Were we all supposed to just silently think "Oh, the irony!" out of politeness and respect for your beliefs?

Those day's are done. Eons old truths, when spoken in public squares and open internet forums, will now be measured against the truths of today. No one is any more obligated to give Christian apologists a wide and friendly berth than they are to the adherents of the Monkey God Hanuman.

WTF are you talking about?

JoeWeber

There is also a very critical philosophical difference here. I don't care at all what you believe if it makes you happy. Maybe you are right and I am wrong. I doubt it but it's possible. For certain, there is societal good that comes from some facets of religious belief. The problem is that you want me to believe it, too. You want me to accept that you are just being benignly helpful when you try to impose your beliefs and it's tenants on everyone and at our expense. So, now that doubters can not be jailed for disbelief, don't be surprised if you get some flack now and again.

Again, WTF are you talking about? Where did I try to impose my beliefs on everyone?

That's one of the problems. Anytime someone tries to discuss religion on any level, skeptics like you get all uptight and start crying about how we're shoving our beliefs down your throat. Why so defensive?

You must have me confused with someone else.

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wmw999

You guys can have this side conversation about liberals, and get bent out of shape about people who pigeonhole conservatives? Dang, that’s kind of cute.

Fair enough, but in Ron's defense, I don't think he's getting bent out of shape about any of this, and while we probably disagree on a lot, we're still united.

wmw999

News flash. Liberals are individuals with talents and lack thereof, just like conservatives. Some are Christians, just like some conservatives. Some aren’t, just like some conservatives.

Right, that's the reality of it all. That's pretty much why we all get along in the real world, rather than kicking the shit out of each other at work or out in public. That's what the internet is for.

You can talk all day about how we're all the same, but then this forum would be dead. Think about it, how many responses do you really get when you're trying to be all thoughtful and Pollyannish? No one gives a shit.

My initial point was how Democrats can win back those that have jumped ship, specifically in the midwest and eastern swing states. I was also expressing my disappointment in the republicans failure to unite the country, but you didn't address any of that, did you? See what I mean? You only want to address the provocative elements that offend you rather than digest the totality of the post.

Anyway, the inability for the republicans to unite this country pretty much seals our fate. At this point, we will always remain divided, until we fall.

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billvon

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Do you really think that people in the midwest and eastern states are so preoccupied with concerns about the mexicans, the border, homosexuals, etc., as if that's the first thing on their mind when they wake up in the morning?

They used to be. (Preoccupied about blacks, too.) You could even see vestiges of that here in this forum; witness Ron's angry screeds here against the homosexuals and transsexuals. Fortunately, they have become more liberal/progressive with time, as society has.

I was talking about people in the midwest and the eastern states - states that typically have voted Democrat in the past, states that are needed to win elections. Appeal to them, and you win. Then you have the power to actually do something, rather than moan online 24/7. . .

billvon

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Rather than having meaningful protests and bringing attention to real racist politicians and white supremacy keynote speakers in the Federalist Society, liberals were running around acting like fools, egging on a bunch of double digit IQ redneck KKK wannabees

A stark improvement over the days when black-rights activists "egging on" a bunch of double digit IQ redneck actual KKKers for lynching blacks. (Of course, they got the same sort of grief from the conservatives of their time.)

The days of the KKK are almost behind us. Trump gave them one last gasp (with his "both sides" and "very fine people" comments) but they won't last much longer. Unfortunately, they are still around - and it is best to not ignore that. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

I agree with you there, but there are plenty of liberals showing how it might be on the rise. And tho I have lots of evidence illustrating it's decline, they have some pretty convincing arguments themselves.

However, my point was about fighting institutional racism at it's core, rather than having these superficial confrontations over some statue.

Do you not see the importance of calling out white supremacist keynote speakers at the federalist society?

Do people even know about the federalist society and how they're the single most influential conservative organization shaping the future of this country?

Is there any Democrat organization that can even remotely come close to balancing this out?

That's why the Republicans win. They are united. They are organized. They have been planning this for generations. The people trust them to get shit done when it needs to get done. They trust them to make the tough decisions. They trust them to put the long term power of the county before anything else.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Qanon is a mysterious source of esoteric cryptology which is analyzed extensively by independent investigators on YouTube.

You'll believe anything if it feeds you hatred.

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nationalist patriot

Why use euphemism? Just say what that really means.

[billvon 3,111]

>Do you not see the importance of calling out white supremacist keynote speakers
>at the federalist society?

Definitely. But you can only do so much "moaning" as you put it.

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billvon

>Do you not see the importance of calling out white supremacist keynote speakers
>at the federalist society?

Definitely. But you can only do so much "moaning" as you put it.

Right, much easier to just fight among each other and lose our lives over some statue rather than attack the source of the problem. At least we'll have some good footage, headlines and facebook stories to broadly damn the conservatives at the expense of the deceased. . .

No wonder nobody trusts liberals/democrats to get anything done. . .