Air Force Leadership fighting racism

[RonD1120 62]

jakee

***No, again I state that I do not see victimization in that light.

So why do you see it in NFL players using their position to raise awareness for a cause?

Oh wait - it's because they're black and you're white. Because black people play the victim while white people take responsibility failures.

My original post stated that what they were doing was ineffective. It negatively influenced their income stream. You made it a race/victim issue.

There is a tradition in America of respecting the flag and the National Anthem. If someone chooses to oppose that tradition they will receive anger for it from veterans and other patriotic Americans. Ergo, many folks I know are tuning out the NFL and their sponsors.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jakee 1,596]

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My original post stated that what they were doing was ineffective. It negatively influenced their income stream.

You think they were protesting because they wanted to get richer? Their income stream has nothing to do with the effectiveness of their actions.

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You made it a race/victim issue.

That is a bare-faced lie. You were the first person to use label of victim on this topic, and you have previously been explicit in stating that you believe that victimhood is a racial issue.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kallend 2,150]

RonD1120

******No, again I state that I do not see victimization in that light.

So why do you see it in NFL players using their position to raise awareness for a cause?

Oh wait - it's because they're black and you're white. Because black people play the victim while white people take responsibility failures.

My original post stated that what they were doing was ineffective. It negatively influenced their income stream. You made it a race/victim issue.

There is a tradition in America of respecting the flag and the National Anthem. If someone chooses to oppose that tradition they will receive anger for it from veterans and other patriotic Americans. Ergo, many folks I know are tuning out the NFL and their sponsors.

Veterans have all sworn to defend the Constitution. They didn't swear an oath to defend a song or piece of cloth.

The Constitution they swore to defend gives the people the RIGHT to oppose traditions. Getting angry because people exercise their rights is unAmerican and is most definitely unpatriotic.

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[RonD1120 62]

NFL players are rich. I think they are protesting because it is trendy.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

kallend

Veterans have all sworn to defend the Constitution. They didn't swear an oath to defend a song or piece of cloth.

The Constitution they swore to defend gives the people the RIGHT to oppose traditions. Getting angry because people exercise their rights is unAmerican and is most definitely unpatriotic.

You're not from around here are you?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[normiss 898]

He's an American citizen and he happens to understand this issue better than you do Ron.
He's correct.

[RonD1120 62]

normiss

He's an American citizen and he happens to understand this issue better than you do Ron.
He's correct.

That does not change how people feel. That is why Donald Trump is the POTUS.

If you want to address people's emotions, you have to do better than quote laws or statistics.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[gowlerk 2,277]

RonD1120

NFL players are rich. I think they are protesting because it is trendy.

Ungrateful IS the new uppity.

Seriously folks. People choose to protest this way because it makes a very strong statement and goes against norms. No one should be surprised that the snowflake "patriots" are pissed off. They are supposed to get pissed off. That is the whole point.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[normiss 898]

Now you don't understand the constitution nor how Trump got in office!
I'm sot surprised.

Have fun kids, it's Oktoberfest shopping day. Lederhosen and Dirndl time!
Auf wiedersehen!

[Phil1111 1,183]

RonD1120

***He's an American citizen and he happens to understand this issue better than you do Ron.
He's correct.

That does not change how people feel. That is why Donald Trump is the POTUS.

If you want to address people's emotions, you have to do better than quote laws or statistics.

Oh Ron! There you go with feelings and emotions. Again.

[RonD1120 62]

Phil1111

******He's an American citizen and he happens to understand this issue better than you do Ron.
He's correct.

That does not change how people feel. That is why Donald Trump is the POTUS.

If you want to address people's emotions, you have to do better than quote laws or statistics.

Oh Ron! There you go with feelings and emotions. Again.

I am a professionally trained counselor. That is what I do.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jakee 1,596]

RonD1120

NFL players are rich.

Some of them yes, very. But not as many as you might think, actually. Especially when you consider their career span and for how long they will earn good money vs the rest of their lives.

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I think they are protesting because it is trendy.

You think they're jeopardising their income streams because it's trendy?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[wmw999 2,589]

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That does not change how people feel. That is why Donald Trump is the POTUS.

Your failure to accept the equal validity of people who feel and/or think differently from you (as in your blanket statement about patriotic Americans) devalues your argument.

Trump won with a minority of votes. That doesn't mean there's a groundswell of support of conservative values, it just means that some people with conservative values understand the system and manipulated it to their ends. As some people with more liberal values would have done had they gotten there more effectively and/or first.

Kallend and I are just as American as you are. None of us paints the "most American" picture, and to say one of us does is arrogant.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[RonD1120 62]

jakee

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I think they are protesting because it is trendy.

You think they're jeopardising their income streams because it's trendy?

They are celebrities and they are behaving as such. MSM plays it up because it creates sensationalism. There are more important issues in America than this one.

Veteran suicide, adolescent suicide, veteran homelessness, drug addiction, etc.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[wmw999 2,589]

Those are all important issues. As is systemic racial prejudice. People have to pick one or more that matters to them, and work for it. No one can pick one for them.

That's why some kids work to get backpacks for kids without them, and why most people think that's wonderful, rather than berating them for not choosing the "right" cause.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Phil1111 1,183]

RonD1120

*********He's an American citizen and he happens to understand this issue better than you do Ron.
He's correct.

That does not change how people feel. That is why Donald Trump is the POTUS.

If you want to address people's emotions, you have to do better than quote laws or statistics.

Oh Ron! There you go with feelings and emotions. Again.

I am a professionally trained counselor. That is what I do.

Sports psychologists have long operated on the basis that feelings and emotions are nearly as important as talent and physical ability.

But Wendy is quite correct that emotions will always be trumped(pardon the pun) by the purely factual, the physical.

[jakee 1,596]

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They are celebrities and they are behaving as such.

How do celebrities behave?

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There are more important issues in America than this one.

Veteran suicide, adolescent suicide, veteran homelessness, drug addiction, etc.

Do you think perhaps you prioritise veterans issues because you are a veteran and self-identify as part of that group? What priorities do you think an NFL celebrity who identifies as part a different group mght have?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Phil1111 1,183]

RonD1120

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I think they are protesting because it is trendy.

You think they're jeopardising their income streams because it's trendy?

They are celebrities and they are behaving as such. MSM plays it up because it creates sensationalism. There are more important issues in America than this one.

Veteran suicide, adolescent suicide, veteran homelessness, drug addiction, etc.

That's why leadership from the President should be directed in those areas. Rather than picking fights with the NFL, the mayor of San Juan, Senator McCain etc.

A leader picks the issue, drives the narrative to achieve the result. Is not sidetracked by issues that distract from the narrative of the most important objectives. A leader pounds the pavement and the podium, equally. With focus on the end achievement.

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RonD1120

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They are celebrities and they are behaving as such. MSM plays it up because it creates sensationalism. There are more important issues in America than this one.

Veteran suicide, adolescent suicide, veteran homelessness, drug addiction, etc.

This is exactly why your post about 'better ideas' in the other thread was nonsense, Ron. You are incapable of having an open mind or thinking anyone else's ideas might have value. You think you're a different person than your actions suggest.
You've show it time and time again in this thread.

[kallend 2,150]

RonD1120

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Veterans have all sworn to defend the Constitution. They didn't swear an oath to defend a song or piece of cloth.

The Constitution they swore to defend gives the people the RIGHT to oppose traditions. Getting angry because people exercise their rights is unAmerican and is most definitely unpatriotic.

You're not from around here are you?

Since "around here" must be a place where people don't understand their own Constitution and veterans don't understand their enlistment oath, that's just as well.

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice."

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[RonD1120 62]

kallend

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Veterans have all sworn to defend the Constitution. They didn't swear an oath to defend a song or piece of cloth.

The Constitution they swore to defend gives the people the RIGHT to oppose traditions. Getting angry because people exercise their rights is unAmerican and is most definitely unpatriotic.

You're not from around here are you?

Since "around here" must be a place where people don't understand their own Constitution and veterans don't understand their enlistment oath, that's just as well.

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice."

I never said anything denying Constitutional rights. My post was discussing the efficacy of action.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[kallend 2,150]

RonD1120

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Veterans have all sworn to defend the Constitution. They didn't swear an oath to defend a song or piece of cloth.

The Constitution they swore to defend gives the people the RIGHT to oppose traditions. Getting angry because people exercise their rights is unAmerican and is most definitely unpatriotic.

You're not from around here are you?

Since "around here" must be a place where people don't understand their own Constitution and veterans don't understand their enlistment oath, that's just as well.

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice."

I never said anything denying Constitutional rights. My post was discussing the efficacy of action.

So who stole your password and wrote "There is a tradition in America of respecting the flag and the National Anthem. If someone chooses to oppose that tradition they will receive anger for it from veterans and other patriotic Americans."?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[RonD1120 62]

kallend

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Veterans have all sworn to defend the Constitution. They didn't swear an oath to defend a song or piece of cloth.

The Constitution they swore to defend gives the people the RIGHT to oppose traditions. Getting angry because people exercise their rights is unAmerican and is most definitely unpatriotic.

You're not from around here are you?

Since "around here" must be a place where people don't understand their own Constitution and veterans don't understand their enlistment oath, that's just as well.

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice."

I never said anything denying Constitutional rights. My post was discussing the efficacy of action.

So who stole your password and wrote "There is a tradition in America of respecting the flag and the National Anthem. If someone chooses to oppose that tradition they will receive anger for it from veterans and other patriotic Americans."?

There is no mention of constitutional rights.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

kallend

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Veterans have all sworn to defend the Constitution. They didn't swear an oath to defend a song or piece of cloth.

The Constitution they swore to defend gives the people the RIGHT to oppose traditions. Getting angry because people exercise their rights is unAmerican and is most definitely unpatriotic.

You're not from around here are you?

Since "around here" must be a place where people don't understand their own Constitution and veterans don't understand their enlistment oath, that's just as well.

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice."

I never said anything denying Constitutional rights. My post was discussing the efficacy of action.

So who stole your password and wrote "There is a tradition in America of respecting the flag and the National Anthem. If someone chooses to oppose that tradition they will receive anger for it from veterans and other patriotic Americans."?

You have to realize that, for Ron, "patriotic Americans" are the ones who think like him.

People who have differing opinions, who aren't "Christian", who aren't "Southern" are all "pinko commie fags" and don't understand what real 'murcans do.

Same goes for veterans.

I know a variety of vets. Some firmly believe that they fought for "the flag" and that anyone who "disrespects it or the National Anthem" should simply get on a bus and leave the country.

Others realize that they were defending freedom and the Constitution. And that the right to free speech, association and petitioning the government (protest) are far more important than a piece of colored cloth or an old English drinking song with different lyrics.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

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[kallend 2,150]

RonD1120

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Veterans have all sworn to defend the Constitution. They didn't swear an oath to defend a song or piece of cloth.

The Constitution they swore to defend gives the people the RIGHT to oppose traditions. Getting angry because people exercise their rights is unAmerican and is most definitely unpatriotic.

You're not from around here are you?

Since "around here" must be a place where people don't understand their own Constitution and veterans don't understand their enlistment oath, that's just as well.

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice."

I never said anything denying Constitutional rights. My post was discussing the efficacy of action.

So who stole your password and wrote "There is a tradition in America of respecting the flag and the National Anthem. If someone chooses to oppose that tradition they will receive anger for it from veterans and other patriotic Americans."?

There is no mention of constitutional rights.

So what? Given that your posts show very clearly that you don't understand what rights the Constitution grants with respect to freedom of expression, it's not surprising that you don't explicitly mention them.

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