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[winsor 236]

DJL

****** I'm speaking about all the fear mongering about Sharia Law, Islamophobia, etc.

When people resort to buzzwords like 'Islamophobia" it tends to discredit their stance.

I consider it hardly unrealistic to have the odd misgiving about people who hold to an ideology that states in no uncertain terms that I am to be summarily put to death. This concern does not meet the definition of a 'phobia' in any sense.

The boogeymen of the left are enumerated by the SPLC, and it is considered de rigueur to hate the 'hate groups' so defined.

I hang out with guys with swastika tattoos (when you ride an outlaw Harley it comes with the territory) and spend a lot of time with people from Muslim backgrounds. Nevertheless, my concerns regarding National Socialism and Islam are solidly grounded in fact, and reference to 'phobia' is an exercise in obfuscation.


BSBD,

Winsor

"I consider it hardly unrealistic to have the odd misgiving about people who hold to an ideology that states in no uncertain terms that I am to be summarily put to death. This concern does not meet the definition of a 'phobia' in any sense."

Irony score 10/10.

Look up the definition of 'irony' and get back to me.

[rushmc 23]

DJL

****** I'm speaking about all the fear mongering about Sharia Law, Islamophobia, etc.

When people resort to buzzwords like 'Islamophobia" it tends to discredit their stance.

I consider it hardly unrealistic to have the odd misgiving about people who hold to an ideology that states in no uncertain terms that I am to be summarily put to death. This concern does not meet the definition of a 'phobia' in any sense.

The boogeymen of the left are enumerated by the SPLC, and it is considered de rigueur to hate the 'hate groups' so defined.

I hang out with guys with swastika tattoos (when you ride an outlaw Harley it comes with the territory) and spend a lot of time with people from Muslim backgrounds. Nevertheless, my concerns regarding National Socialism and Islam are solidly grounded in fact, and reference to 'phobia' is an exercise in obfuscation.


BSBD,

Winsor

"I consider it hardly unrealistic to have the odd misgiving about people who hold to an ideology that states in no uncertain terms that I am to be summarily put to death. This concern does not meet the definition of a 'phobia' in any sense."

Irony score 10/10.

Since his points put you face down in the mud, I agree there is a bit of irony here.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DJL 235]

rushmc

********* I'm speaking about all the fear mongering about Sharia Law, Islamophobia, etc.

When people resort to buzzwords like 'Islamophobia" it tends to discredit their stance.

I consider it hardly unrealistic to have the odd misgiving about people who hold to an ideology that states in no uncertain terms that I am to be summarily put to death. This concern does not meet the definition of a 'phobia' in any sense.

The boogeymen of the left are enumerated by the SPLC, and it is considered de rigueur to hate the 'hate groups' so defined.

I hang out with guys with swastika tattoos (when you ride an outlaw Harley it comes with the territory) and spend a lot of time with people from Muslim backgrounds. Nevertheless, my concerns regarding National Socialism and Islam are solidly grounded in fact, and reference to 'phobia' is an exercise in obfuscation.


BSBD,

Winsor

"I consider it hardly unrealistic to have the odd misgiving about people who hold to an ideology that states in no uncertain terms that I am to be summarily put to death. This concern does not meet the definition of a 'phobia' in any sense."

Irony score 10/10.

Since his points put you face down in the mud, I agree there is a bit of irony here.

Irony is saying that the Islamic faith "states that in no uncertain terms I am to be summarily put to death" as a counterpoint to my statement that people have unfounded fears about Islam. Did I hear you wrong?

Rush...go away.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[winsor 236]

DJL

Irony is saying that the Islamic faith "states that in no uncertain terms I am to be summarily put to death" as a counterpoint to my statement that people have unfounded fears about Islam. Did I hear you wrong?

Rush...go away.

As Christopher Hitchens pointed out, the problem with religious fundamentalism is the fundamentals.

The more strictly one adheres to Jainist fundamentals, the more peaceful one becomes - to the point of sweeping one's path to avoid needlessly killing insects.

The more strictly one adheres to Muslim fundamentals, the more violent one becomes. The tenets of Islam mandate barbaric levels of violence and depraved behavior (read the book). The closer a nation adheres to these principles, the more abhorrent are its laws.

Mind you, the Hebrew Scriptures were used as a basis by Muhammad (may he rot in hell), and the 'old time religion' espoused therein was rather ghastly in its own right.

A phobia is an irrational fear at the terror level. Rational awareness of very real dangers does not qualify.

[Phil1111 1,149]

winsor

***

Irony is saying that the Islamic faith "states that in no uncertain terms I am to be summarily put to death" as a counterpoint to my statement that people have unfounded fears about Islam. Did I hear you wrong?

Rush...go away.

As Christopher Hitchens pointed out, the problem with religious fundamentalism is the fundamentals.

The more strictly one adheres to Jainist fundamentals, the more peaceful one becomes - to the point of sweeping one's path to avoid needlessly killing insects.

The more strictly one adheres to Muslim fundamentals, the more violent one becomes. The tenets of Islam mandate barbaric levels of violence and depraved behavior (read the book). The closer a nation adheres to these principles, the more abhorrent are its laws.

Mind you, the Hebrew Scriptures were used as a basis by Muhammad (may he rot in hell), and the 'old time religion' espoused therein was rather ghastly in its own right.

A phobia is an irrational fear at the terror level. Rational awareness of very real dangers does not qualify.

For anyone interested in a more accurate view of Islam:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/muslims/themes/beliefs.html

[billvon 3,087]

>A phobia is an irrational fear at the terror level. Rational awareness of very real dangers
>does not qualify.

Good definition. By those standards, there are a lot of people here who exhibit Islamophobia.

[winsor 236]

billvon

>A phobia is an irrational fear at the terror level. Rational awareness of very real dangers
>does not qualify.

Good definition. By those standards, there are a lot of people here who exhibit Islamophobia.

In what sense?

Religion is a communicable form of mental illness by definition, and Islam is one of the most pathological strains - both in theory and practice. Given that Sharia is a fact of life in all too much of the Muslim majority parts of the planet, and is viewed favorably by a large percentage of Muslims in civilized parts of the world, concern about the adherence to Muslim Law in otherwise rational individuals is hardly without merit.

Islam is by no means an ideology of 'live and let live' or peaceful coexistence, though it is touted as such by some of its adherents. Given the propensity for waging Jihad upon Infidels et al., and summary execution of apostates and atheists on an ongoing basis, viewing Islam with trepidation is extremely valid.

Living in an area with a proliferation of Funnel Web Spiders, Irukandji jellyfish, or Stonefish, being scared shitless of them is rational.

In general, there is no such thing as 'Islamophobia.'


BSBD,

Winsor

[DJL 235]

winsor

***>A phobia is an irrational fear at the terror level. Rational awareness of very real dangers
>does not qualify.

Good definition. By those standards, there are a lot of people here who exhibit Islamophobia.

In what sense?

Religion is a communicable form of mental illness by definition, and Islam is one of the most pathological strains - both in theory and practice. Given that Sharia is a fact of life in all too much of the Muslim majority parts of the planet, and is viewed favorably by a large percentage of Muslims in civilized parts of the world, concern about the adherence to Muslim Law in otherwise rational individuals is hardly without merit.

Islam is by no means an ideology of 'live and let live' or peaceful coexistence, though it is touted as such by some of its adherents. Given the propensity for waging Jihad upon Infidels et al., and summary execution of apostates and atheists on an ongoing basis, viewing Islam with trepidation is extremely valid.

Living in an area with a proliferation of Funnel Web Spiders, Irukandji jellyfish, or Stonefish, being scared shitless of them is rational.

In general, there is no such thing as 'Islamophobia.'


BSBD,

Winsor

Christianity and Judaism are no better yet we ignore all the calls to put people to death and cut off their hands for arbitrary infractions. There was a time when this wasn't so.

I'm a Godfather to my best friend's daughter and I'm atheist, they're holiday Christians, yet if you applied your logic to Christians as you do Islam then I'm going to cut your hands off if your wife touches my donkey or some bullshit like that. All because it's written in the Bronze Age book called the Holy Bible just as “Kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them, and blockade them, and watch for them at every lookout...” is written in the Quran (Quran 9:5).

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[Phil1111 1,149]

winsor

***>A phobia is an irrational fear at the terror level. Rational awareness of very real dangers
>does not qualify.

Good definition. By those standards, there are a lot of people here who exhibit Islamophobia.

In what sense?

Religion is a communicable form of mental illness by definition, and Islam is one of the most pathological strains - both in theory and practice. Given that Sharia is a fact of life in all too much of the Muslim majority parts of the planet, and is viewed favorably by a large percentage of Muslims in civilized parts of the world, concern about the adherence to Muslim Law in otherwise rational individuals is hardly without merit.

Islam is by no means an ideology of 'live and let live' or peaceful coexistence, though it is touted as such by some of its adherents. Given the propensity for waging Jihad upon Infidels et al., and summary execution of apostates and atheists on an ongoing basis, viewing Islam with trepidation is extremely valid.

Living in an area with a proliferation of Funnel Web Spiders, Irukandji jellyfish, or Stonefish, being scared shitless of them is rational.

In general, there is no such thing as 'Islamophobia.'


BSBD,

Winsor

To generalize a majority of people in a population as mentally ill. doesn't help your argument. You state again and again that Islam means Sharia law. Yet when its clearly shown to you that Sharia law died with the collapse of the IS. It being the only state with pure Sharia law.

That other forms of state law supersede Sharia law in Pakistan, Indonesia, etc.The two most populous Muslim majority states. Even Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan don't have Sharia law.Suggests either you have no knowledge of the functioning of the religious courts in Muslim countries and their subservient position to the states courts. Or are just trolling.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/04/160422-atheism-agnostic-secular-nones-rising-religion/

[billvon 3,087]

>In what sense?

If you feel irrational terror for something unlikely to cause injury or death (blacks, Muslims, balloons, clowns, midgets) while ignoring, or accepting, things much more likely to cause your death (small aircraft, coal power plants, firearms, drunk drivers, Big Macs) then that's pretty much the definition of phobia.

>being scared shitless of them is rational.

Not if you retain your shit in the presence of guns, coal power plants or Big Macs. That's pretty much the textbook definition of irrational fear. (Note that "but I am REALLY REALLY afraid of X" does not make the fear any more rational.)

[rushmc 23]

Sharia in one state you say.....

Now you are trolling.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196165/Britain-85-sharia-courts-The-astonishing-spread-Islamic-justice-closed-doors.html

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Lawndarter 3]

Phil1111

To generalize a majority of people in a population as mentally ill. doesn't help your argument. You state again and again that Islam means Sharia law. Yet when its clearly shown to you that Sharia law died with the collapse of the IS. It being the only state with pure Sharia law.

That other forms of state law supersede Sharia law in Pakistan, Indonesia, etc.The two most populous Muslim majority states. Even Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan don't have Sharia law.Suggests either you have no knowledge of the functioning of the religious courts in Muslim countries and their subservient position to the states courts. Or are just trolling.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/04/160422-atheism-agnostic-secular-nones-rising-religion/

Most people who shriek on endlessly about "sharia law" have no idea what the term actually even means. It's not some kind of codified law. It literally means "the way". and it's basically the equivalent of Catholic Canon Law, a whole set of laws, customs, and traditions, many of which have no relevance in most societies, including most Islamic majority states.

[kallend 2,114]

rushmc

Sharia in one state you say.....

Now you are trolling.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196165/Britain-85-sharia-courts-The-astonishing-spread-Islamic-justice-closed-doors.html

Makes a change from UFO stories in the Daily Mail.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Phil1111 1,149]

rushmc

Sharia in one state you say.....

Now you are trolling.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196165/Britain-85-sharia-courts-The-astonishing-spread-Islamic-justice-closed-doors.html

" if approved in national law courts."
From your own reference. UK law has president and these "tribunals" are subservient.

Its the same as a USPA "court", NBA ruling, NFL suspension,NHL disciplinary action, etc. etc.

If its subservient,if you agree personally to a ruling, its not the rule of the land, so to speak. State-national law, is.

Anyway, go back to Breitbart if you need further self reinforcement of thinking.

[yoink 321]

rushmc

Sharia in one state you say.....

Now you are trolling.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196165/Britain-85-sharia-courts-The-astonishing-spread-Islamic-justice-closed-doors.html

Rush - the Daily Mail is basically the equivalent of The Enquirer.

They get sued for making shit up more than anyone else. Reading their shite will actually kill your brain cells.

[rifleman 70]

rushmc

Sharia in one state you say.....

Now you are trolling.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196165/Britain-85-sharia-courts-The-astonishing-spread-Islamic-justice-closed-doors.html

If you're using the Daily Heil as a source I can't take you seriously. Along with The Scum they're a major source of right wing shit stirring, usually read by Biffers and Little Englanders.

Atheism is a Non-Prophet Organisation

[winsor 236]

DJL

Christianity and Judaism are no better yet we ignore all the calls to put people to death and cut off their hands for arbitrary infractions. There was a time when this wasn't so.

I'm a Godfather to my best friend's daughter and I'm atheist, they're holiday Christians, yet if you applied your logic to Christians as you do Islam then I'm going to cut your hands off if your wife touches my donkey or some bullshit like that. All because it's written in the Bronze Age book called the Holy Bible just as “Kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them, and blockade them, and watch for them at every lookout...” is written in the Quran (Quran 9:5).

I am in agreement with you - I do not give a pass to Christian or Jewish Believers.

Anyone who takes at face value the Bronze Age nonsense upon which either is based is not too bright, not too tightly wrapped, or both.

[rushmc 23]

rifleman

***Sharia in one state you say.....

Now you are trolling.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196165/Britain-85-sharia-courts-The-astonishing-spread-Islamic-justice-closed-doors.html

If you're using the Daily Heil as a source I can't take you seriously. Along with The Scum they're a major source of right wing shit stirring, usually read by Biffers and Little Englanders.

So you cant refute the article?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,087]

>Sharia in one state you say.....

Yes. There is only one state where Sharia courts are the law of the land.

The article you posted was a conservative scare article claiming there were 85 Sharia "courts" in the UK. From Fullfact.org:

==========
Are there 'Sharia courts' in Britain?

While there are undoubtedly lots of different councils and tribunals dealing with Sharia principles, they aren't courts of law.

Most are Sharia 'councils' set up to make decisions on purely religious matters, although there are some bodies that mix Sharia principles with legally binding arbitration. But none can overrule the regular courts.
===========

Same as in the US. Of course, in the US, we have far more Catholic canon law "courts" than Sharia "courts."

[normiss 868]

You've made me feel relieved that we only have christian sharia law here, it's nowhere near as bad as religious laws elsewhere!

[mr2mk1g 10]

rushmc

******Sharia in one state you say.....

Now you are trolling.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196165/Britain-85-sharia-courts-The-astonishing-spread-Islamic-justice-closed-doors.html

If you're using the Daily Heil as a source I can't take you seriously. Along with The Scum they're a major source of right wing shit stirring, usually read by Biffers and Little Englanders.

So you cant refute the article?

Yes we can; it's complete and utter bollocks. Hope that helps.

[rifleman 70]

rushmc

******Sharia in one state you say.....

Now you are trolling.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196165/Britain-85-sharia-courts-The-astonishing-spread-Islamic-justice-closed-doors.html

If you're using the Daily Heil as a source I can't take you seriously. Along with The Scum they're a major source of right wing shit stirring, usually read by Biffers and Little Englanders.

So you cant refute the article?

I don't need to refute the article, I refute the whole paper, partly because the family that own it thought that Adolf was a fairly decent chap and partly because they're well known for articles like this. Articles whose only aim is to infuriate the sloping forehead, knuckle dragging morons who think we should keep the British race pure while ignoring the fact that British history is the history of multiculturalism. Given the fact that as a country we've been invaded so many times, by so many different cultures and their allies that virtually everyone has some genetic link to several other cultures means that racial purity is a joke. The only aim of their articles is to stir up racial and religious hatred.

Atheism is a Non-Prophet Organisation

[winsor 236]

billvon

>In what sense?

If you feel irrational terror for something unlikely to cause injury or death (blacks, Muslims, balloons, clowns, midgets) while ignoring, or accepting, things much more likely to cause your death (small aircraft, coal power plants, firearms, drunk drivers, Big Macs) then that's pretty much the definition of phobia.

>being scared shitless of them is rational.

Not if you retain your shit in the presence of guns, coal power plants or Big Macs. That's pretty much the textbook definition of irrational fear. (Note that "but I am REALLY REALLY afraid of X" does not make the fear any more rational.)

Being terrified when seeing a Black Widow ready to bite you, or the business end of a firearm pointed at you, or being outed as an Atheist among a mass Hajjis, or having engine problems in the Wrong Part of Town late at night, or or having the fan quit working when flying over mountains, or seeing approaching headlights wandering late on New Year's Eve is not irrational.

Being cool with a LEO's holstered firearm, tolerating a coal plant with a limited life expectancy or ignoring a Big Mac that someone else is eating (I don't touch them) is not irrational either.

I again submit that 'Islamophobia' is invalid invective.

[kallend 2,114]

rushmc

******Sharia in one state you say.....

Now you are trolling.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196165/Britain-85-sharia-courts-The-astonishing-spread-Islamic-justice-closed-doors.html

If you're using the Daily Heil as a source I can't take you seriously. Along with The Scum they're a major source of right wing shit stirring, usually read by Biffers and Little Englanders.

So you cant refute the article?

Like the boy who cried "wolf" when there wasn't one, the Daily Mail has, over the years, lost any claim to credibility.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[billvon 3,087]

>Being terrified when seeing a Black Widow ready to bite you, or the business end of a firearm
>pointed at you, or being outed as an Atheist among a mass Hajjis, or having engine problems in
> the Wrong Part of Town late at night, or or having the fan quit working when flying over
> mountains, or seeing approaching headlights wandering late on New Year's Eve is not irrational.

Losing an engine over the mountains is an imminent risk to your life.
Being "outed" to Muslims is not.

>Being cool with a LEO's holstered firearm, tolerating a coal plant with a limited life expectancy
>or ignoring a Big Mac that someone else is eating (I don't touch them) is not irrational either.

But all far more rational than fearing that a random Muslim will go postal and kill you. Even if you are really, really afraid of that.

You are far more likely to be killed by a white male Christian in the US than by a Muslim. So if you fear death at the hands of Muslims but not at the hands of white male Christians, you have an irrational phobia, one unsupported by any rational underpinnings.

(That does not, of course, mean that your fear isn't real - just that it's not based on fact.)