Distrust in Government

[Phil1111 1,182]

From:
The Conversation is an independent, not-for-profit media outlet that uses content sourced from academics and researchers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conversation_(website)

Americans distrusted US democracy long before Trump’s Russia problem
http://theconversation.com/americans-distrusted-us-democracy-long-before-trumps-russia-problem-100082

"According to a July 2018 Brown University opinion poll, only 16 percent of Americans truly believe their vote matters. Just 4 percent think the government listens to their opinion.

News of Russia’s meddling may have inflamed anti-government sentiment, but skepticism about U.S. democracy is not a new phenomenon. ...

Displeasure with American democracy continued to rise for the next three decades, reaching an all-time high under President Bill Clinton.

His administration started with a flurry of scandals. There was 1992’s “Travelgate,” when the White House fired its travel planners for mismanaging funds, followed by the Whitewater investigation into Hillary Clinton’s real estate dealings...

But the lessons of the past 66 years suggest that highly visible scandals do lead public dissatisfaction with government to rise.

The Watergate era triggered record growth in Americans’ collective dissatisfaction with government.

That record could still be broken. "

The article is a good read and so is the one below about Rod Rosenstein. Is he going to be the real hero of the Russia investigations. The one to restore trust in democracy and the rule of law?

What Robert Mueller Knows—and 9 Areas He'll Pursue Next
https://www.wired.com/story/what-robert-mueller-knowsand-9-areas-hell-pursue-next/

[rushmc 23]

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This group you list are known to be highly left wing. With almost 95% of their political donations going to the Democrats. All credibility is lost after this point

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,595]

rushmc

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The Conversation is an independent, not-for-profit media outlet that uses content sourced from academics and researchers.

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This group you list are known to be highly left wing. With almost 95% of their political donations going to the Democrats. All credibility is lost after this point

Brilliant. What a great way to justify ignoring everyone whose job it is to know what they're talking about.

The GoP's race to achieve a true life Idiocracy continues apace

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 3,116]

>Brilliant. What a great way to justify ignoring everyone whose job it is to know what
>they're talking about.

Like the man said, reality has a well-known liberal bias.

[Bob_Church 7]

rushmc

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The Conversation is an independent, not-for-profit media outlet that uses content sourced from academics and researchers.

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This group you list are known to be highly left wing. With almost 95% of their political donations going to the Democrats. All credibility is lost after this point

Back when I was at the phone company we were union, which was good, but something that pissed off more and more of us was the way they automatically gave the money to the Democrats. If you questioned them on it they'd just say "would you rather we gave it to the Republicans" and go back to ignoring us. What we wanted, but they didn't care, was to not give it to anyone. As it was the Democrats knew they were going to get our money so didn't give a shit about us and the Republicans knew they weren't going to get the money so they didn't give a shit about us.
Why do they have to give it to someone? Why not bank it, create a list of things that the rank and file wanted from politicians and give it to those who did those things that helped us. They could have a committee that said "this guy passed that law, let's give him this amount". That sort of thing.
But no. One guy, a guy who had a lot of clout in Athens among his fellow phone company employees, started making some real noise about this stuff once including where the hell is all the money going to, not just the political donations. Darrell wasn't just another loud mouth, people listened to him and he could make a difference. A car full of Union Officials drove from Cleveland out to his house in New Marshfield one night and after that he not only refused to talk about it but made a point of mentioning to everyone and anyone that he wasn't talking about it.

[airdvr 210]

Sometimes I have to remember that I am older and have experienced more. My distrust started with Vietnam and more so Watergate. The veil came off and I realized the government didn't always have our best interests at heart. Hasn't changed much in the 50 years since then.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[Bob_Church 7]

airdvr

Sometimes I have to remember that I am older and have experienced more. My distrust started with Vietnam and more so Watergate. The veil came off and I realized the government didn't always have our best interests at heart. Hasn't changed much in the 50 years since then.

My theory is that the population in general got too tired to keep watching out for itself so we started pretending that The Democrats are The Party of the People.
That makes everything so much easier. No more watching out for the crap that all politicians pull, just vote Democrat and you've done your duty.

[Phil1111 1,182]

airdvr

Sometimes I have to remember that I am older and have experienced more. My distrust started with Vietnam and more so Watergate. The veil came off and I realized the government didn't always have our best interests at heart. Hasn't changed much in the 50 years since then.

Agree. You don't trust the government. BUT, checks and balances. Combined with a free press, free elections and term limits. Will always be the way to keep corruption and government excess, under control.

Sooner or later, the courts will weigh in on "fake news", fake facts, high crimes and misdemeanors. When politicians stop going to prison. Then you have to worry.

No, all politicians are not corrupt. Not all of them lie. The average voter has no idea of the BS that they put up with dealing with the public.

Well before the time of Plato, of Socrates, the French revolution and the US constitution. The ways and means of keeping kings and queens, honest. How to structure honest courts. Has been debated by people. Ten millennium, from now, the same debate will continue.

[grimmie 186]

rushmc

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The Conversation is an independent, not-for-profit media outlet that uses content sourced from academics and researchers.

Emphasis mine

This group you list are known to be highly left wing. With almost 95% of their political donations going to the Democrats. All credibility is lost after this point

There are no conservative academics or researchers???

And with that logic, Fox News is full of lost credibility then also?

[RonD1120 62]

Bob_Church

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From:
The Conversation is an independent, not-for-profit media outlet that uses content sourced from academics and researchers.

Emphasis mine

This group you list are known to be highly left wing. With almost 95% of their political donations going to the Democrats. All credibility is lost after this point

Back when I was at the phone company we were union, which was good, but something that pissed off more and more of us was the way they automatically gave the money to the Democrats. If you questioned them on it they'd just say "would you rather we gave it to the Republicans" and go back to ignoring us. What we wanted, but they didn't care, was to not give it to anyone. As it was the Democrats knew they were going to get our money so didn't give a shit about us and the Republicans knew they weren't going to get the money so they didn't give a shit about us.
Why do they have to give it to someone? Why not bank it, create a list of things that the rank and file wanted from politicians and give it to those who did those things that helped us. They could have a committee that said "this guy passed that law, let's give him this amount". That sort of thing.
But no. One guy, a guy who had a lot of clout in Athens among his fellow phone company employees, started making some real noise about this stuff once including where the hell is all the money going to, not just the political donations. Darrell wasn't just another loud mouth, people listened to him and he could make a difference. A car full of Union Officials drove from Cleveland out to his house in New Marshfield one night and after that he not only refused to talk about it but made a point of mentioning to everyone and anyone that he wasn't talking about it.

That being one small reference to the evil of the Democratic Party. As near as I can tell, it all started with Andrew Jackson when he made land deals with his cronies to get the gold away from the Cherokee, Creek, Choctaw and Seminole peoples.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

airdvr

Sometimes I have to remember that I am older and have experienced more. My distrust started with Vietnam and more so Watergate. The veil came off and I realized the government didn't always have our best interests at heart. Hasn't changed much in the 50 years since then.

Amen.
You and I are on the same page.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[DanG 1]

Is this the same Andrew Jackson that Trump said was the president he most admires? Naw, Saint Donald could never admire someone so evil, and a dirty Dem to boot!

- Dan G

[Phil1111 1,182]

DanG

Is this the same Andrew Jackson that Trump said was the president he most admires? Naw, Saint Donald could never admire someone so evil, and a dirty Dem to boot!

"When we reviewed Trump’s voter registration in the 10 years leading up to the present, from 2005 to 2015, we found that he has been a Republican for more than five years. He was a registered Democrat for not quite four years in that time frame.

The statement is partially accurate but leaves out important details or takes things out of context. We rate it Half True."
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/aug/24/jeb-bush/bush-says-trump-was-democrat-longer-republican-las/

Just don't tell Marc. He and Ron may have simultaneous panic attacks.