Tariffs

[turtlespeed 226]

3 hours ago, jakee said:

Yet never with any specific examples, as far as I've seen.

I was as specific as I needed to be.

[jakee 1,593]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

I was as specific as I needed to be.

For what purpose? Specific enough that you can keep playing this game of pretending you've backed up your assertion, or specific enough to actually back up your assertion?

[DJL 235]

On 5/31/2019 at 8:44 AM, kallend said:

So Trump is going to tax Americans until Mexico stops allowing people from Central America to exercise their legal right to seek admission to the United States.  Yes, I can see how that is logical.

Don't forget that he thinks Mexico will do something that the US didn't have either the political or financial backing to do.  And they know that the US as a whole does not support what the the US President is trying to force them to do.

[kallend 2,146]

11 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

The question has been asked and answered in at least two other threads.

And you skirt around it each time.

You really can't answer truthfully, can you?

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

13 hours ago, kallend said:

And you skirt around it each time.

You really can't answer truthfully, can you?

Can't? Or just won't?

[nigel99 613]

On 6/4/2019 at 8:58 AM, kallend said:

And you skirt around it each time.

You really can't answer truthfully, can you?

To be fair I can think of a couple of times that he has expanded on it.

I think he is one of very few people on here who simply thinks Trump is less bad than Hillary and therefore gets lumped into being a Trump fan. If I was in that position I’d probably get sick of defending myself

[airdvr 210]

Any reason given will be refuted by something Trump has said or done that is similar or worse.  If only the DNC hadn't rigged the game.

[jakee 1,593]

17 hours ago, airdvr said:

Any reason given will be refuted by something Trump has said or done that is similar or worse.

Wouldn't that be the point?

[airdvr 210]

That might be your point, but it's not mine.  I also voted Trump because the thought of Hillary being President was something I couldn't tolerate.

[Stumpy 284]

With the end result that you, and the rest of the minority who voted for trump, have made the US into a global laughing stock. Good job!

[nigel99 613]

2 minutes ago, Stumpy said:

With the end result that you, and the rest of the minority who voted for trump, have made the US into a global laughing stock. Good job!

It will be interesting to watch the US elections. The people who voted Trump because he was ‘less bad than Hillary’ have seen Trumps true colours and there is a different playing field. 

I have a suspicion that people hide behind a facade and secretly like Trumps prejudice and hatred and I would not be surprised to see him re elected.

[turtlespeed 226]

1 hour ago, nigel99 said:

It will be interesting to watch the US elections. The people who voted Trump because he was ‘less bad than Hillary’ have seen Trumps true colours and there is a different playing field. 

I have a suspicion that people hide behind a facade and secretly like Trumps prejudice and hatred and I would not be surprised to see him re elected.

We will see what happens - I suspect that the DNC will start mustering its people to get out and vote.

 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

3 hours ago, nigel99 said:

It will be interesting to watch the US elections. The people who voted Trump because he was ‘less bad than Hillary’ have seen Trumps true colours and there is a different playing field. 

Doubt it. Many of those same people will say publicly they don't agree with Trump but then happily vote for him again. Specially if a female is the opposing candidate.

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3 hours ago, nigel99 said:

It will be interesting to watch the US elections. The people who voted Trump because he was ‘less bad than Hillary’ have seen Trumps true colours and there is a different playing field. 

I have a suspicion that people hide behind a facade and secretly like Trumps prejudice and hatred and I would not be surprised to see him re elected.

I don't think anything has changed. 'Less bad than Hillary' will simply become 'he's not a Democrat' as the excuse to re-elect him.

We've pretty much completely lost policies meaning anything other for election other than the standard single-issue stuff - guns / healthcare. Voters in the states that matter will come out to vote for Trump just as a 'fuck you' to the Democrats / Liberals. 

 

[turtlespeed 226]

48 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Doubt it. Many of those same people will say publicly they don't agree with Trump but then happily vote for him again. Specially if a female is the opposing candidate.

Not true - Your illusions and assumptions of conservatives is flawed.

Personally, I'd happily vote for Connie Rice.

 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

21 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Not true - Your illusions and assumptions of conservatives is flawed.

Personally, I'd happily vote for Connie Rice.

 

And you think you speak for all or even a majority of conservatives?

Rather presumptuous don't you think?

[DJL 235]

4 hours ago, nigel99 said:

It will be interesting to watch the US elections. The people who voted Trump because he was ‘less bad than Hillary’ have seen Trumps true colours and there is a different playing field. 

I have a suspicion that people hide behind a facade and secretly like Trumps prejudice and hatred and I would not be surprised to see him re elected.

This is ground I'm already covering with friends of mine, they say it was a decision between two bad choices.  Now they have a bad choice and a very wide field of Democrats who in any measurable quantity are not bad choices when compared to either Trump or degree to which HRC was slandered into being a worse choice.  Pick any bad thing about a current Democrat and Trump has already done worse.  With the exception of not liking Bernie because he's too close to being a Socialist and Beto because he's basically the drummer from a boy band there's not much you can say negatively about any of the democrats that can really stick. (OMG Kamala had sex with someone 20 years ago.  OMG Spartacus admitted to feeling a drunk girl's breast.  OMG Biden has a creepy history of invading personal space.)

[jakee 1,593]

8 hours ago, airdvr said:

That might be your point, but it's not mine.  I also voted Trump because the thought of Hillary being President was something I couldn't tolerate.

So your point is that you could tolerate Trump instead of Hillary for President, despite not being able to identify anything that Hillary has done that is not matched or worse by Trump?

[airdvr 210]

On 6/7/2019 at 1:52 PM, jakee said:

So your point is that you could tolerate Trump instead of Hillary for President, despite not being able to identify anything that Hillary has done that is not matched or worse by Trump?

To be fair I would have needed a crystal ball.  So, Trump is pretty much the same as Hillary, except Hillary managed to rig the DNC to force Bernie out.  She's been a focal point of more scandals and has excused her husbands well known philandering with multiple women in order to stay close to power.  I wonder how many women would have stuck by their husband's side after Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, and Monica, and then perjured himself in an attempt to save his ass.  And those are just the ones we know about.  There were others.

You can come up with a list for Trump, but most of it was Trump the private citizen.

I've noticed over the years the Dems have a proclivity for excusing their party member's illegal activities. Chappaquiddick anyone?

 

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[jakee 1,593]

 

24 minutes ago, airdvr said:

To be fair I would have needed a crystal ball. 

Why would anyone have needed a crystal ball to see Trump's flaws?

 

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She's been a focal point of more scandals

Lol, nonsense. It's not even close. Compilations of Trump's many scandals are not hard to find.

 

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 and has excused her husbands well known philandering with multiple women in order to stay close to power.  I wonder how many women would have stuck by their husband's side after Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, and Monica, and then perjured himself in an attempt to save his ass.  And those are just the ones we know about.  There were others.

You don't know what the nature of their relationship is, or what deal they have. If Hillary decided she was ok with Bill's womanising that's entirely her decision, and frankly it's not an unusual one. However, as evidenced by Trump's divorces we can safely say not all his wives were ok with his philandering. Really strange you should claim Hillary's acceptance of her husband's rampant cheating is worse than Trump's own rampant cheating. Not being funny, but I can't see any obvious reason for that viewpoint beyond plain sexism.

 

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You can come up with a list for Trump, but most of it was Trump the private citizen.

So what? Because Trump wasn't an elected official when he did all his criminal stuff you'll just excuse it?

 

If you really believe that's a relevant point then you should only ever consider voting for candidates who've never held office before, and in the upcoming election you should definitely vote against Trump. After all, he'll be the only candidate who has been the focus of scandals while President.

[Stumpy 284]

Turns out Mexico didn't agree to a SINGLE new thing in the deal just announced - it was planned and agreed months earlier. Trump getting his ass handed to him. Again. 

[ryoder 1,590]

50 minutes ago, Stumpy said:

Turns out Mexico didn't agree to a SINGLE new thing in the deal just announced - it was planned and agreed months earlier. Trump getting his ass handed to him. Again. 

Turmp's SOP:

1. Manufacture a crisis.

2. Pretend to solve crisis.

3. Gloat to your gullible base that you solved it, and watch them lap it up.

[BIGUN 1,482]

51 minutes ago, Stumpy said:

Mexico didn't agree to a SINGLE new thing in the deal just announced - it was planned and agreed months earlier.

You may wish to research this a bit further. 

[normiss 891]

3 hours ago, BIGUN said:

You may wish to research this a bit further. 

Right? With a single click it's easily verified.

I wonder if that's why Kirstjen Nielsen quit.

[Coreece 190]

On 6/8/2019 at 11:46 PM, jakee said:

Really strange you should claim Hillary's acceptance of her husband's rampant sexual misconduct and her demonizing of his victims is worse than Trump's own rampant sexual misconduct and demonizing of his victims.

FIFY