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jakee

***He's not smart enough to cheat this country and screw us over, long term, the way the Clintons did. It's like picking Otis or Lex Luthor.

So what specifically is the long term cheating and screwing effect the Clintons have had on you?

In what specific ways did the Clintons "cheat this country" and "screw us over" (presuming "us" is the American people)?

Trump is destroying the EPA.
Trump is devastating the State Department.
Trump has basically nobody in the Dept of Justice to protect the public (Civil Division, Civil Rights, Environment among others)

Those actions are far more devastating to the country than anything I can recall the Clintons doing (but I am open to the fact that I may be forgetting something).

And, don't forget that Trump is charging the public (the taxpayer, you and me) for everything for everybody (him, cabinet, staff, security, everyone) when he goes to his own resorts. Rooms, food, golf carts, the whole shebang goes on the US government tab. Right into Trump's pocket.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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SkyDekker

My point being he actively chose Trump. Why not just own it, in stead of pointing to somebody else. I thought Republicans were the people who always talked about taking responsibility for their actions?

You really don't get it do you?

I give up. I know, fire back some sarcastic remark but could you at least try to rise to the level of "I know you are but what am I?"

[JerryBaumchen 1,486]

Hi Sky,

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I don't have a problem with . . . why HRC would have been so much worse than Trump?

Great post, and well layed out.

These are things that will take a long time to correct.

At the end of the day ( for me ), anyone who voted for Trump failed to put their country first. America is far worse off with DJT as president than HRC could ever have been.

I was very strongly against HRC back in '08. However, as I watched her as Sec of State, I concluded that she was very capable of being a competent president.

IMO far too many people voted out of hatred, that is not a good way to ever make any decision.

Jerry Baumchen

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Bob_Church

***My point being he actively chose Trump. Why not just own it, in stead of pointing to somebody else. I thought Republicans were the people who always talked about taking responsibility for their actions?

You really don't get it do you?

I give up. I know, fire back some sarcastic remark but could you at least try to rise to the level of "I know you are but what am I?"

No I don't get why someone would say they voted for Trump because they didn't want to vote for Clinton. Specially considering there were roughly 150 million other options. A vote for somebody is a vote for somebody, not against somebody else.

[BIGUN 1,520]

It's a prelude to his NAFTA renegotiate promise.

Just saber rattling.

I the end, Congress would need to be involved.

Yes, I know about the Tariff Act; but that would not allow him to re-structure the whole agreement.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

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wmw999

I don’t think Bigun particularly likes Trump. Just better than HRC. And he’s generallt not one to double down on “my guy, right or wrong.”

Wendy P.

To a point, I agree with that mindset. I didn't really like Trump all that much, but detested Hillary even more. It was like trying to chose between a polished turd and a shit sandwich.

Trump has lasted a year and all the Dems are up in arms about it. There are some things Trump could definitely do better at, no doubt about that.

[billvon 3,169]

>Trump has lasted a year and all the Dems are up in arms about it.

Agreed. And the only people more upset than the democrats about that are the republicans, as they watch their chances for re-election go down the toilet.

[ryoder 1,590]

From The London Times:

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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billvon

>Trump has lasted a year and all the Dems are up in arms about it.

Agreed. And the only people more upset than the democrats about that are the republicans, as they watch their chances for re-election go down the toilet.

I wouldn't be counting those chickens just yet, Bill.

[billvon 3,169]

>I wouldn't be counting those chickens just yet, Bill.

Oh, I have no doubt that democrats will be able to pull defeat out of the jaws of victory if they put their minds to it. But based on the wave of Republicans retiring, and the statements coming out of their leadership, they are getting ready for a Trumpian bloodbath.

[BIGUN 1,520]

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No I don't get why someone would say they voted for Trump because they didn't want to vote for Clinton. Specially considering there were roughly 150 million other options. A vote for somebody is a vote for somebody, not against somebody else.

I really wish you would quit saying this. You're either stubborn or don't know how the American election system works. There are five options when you walk up to the ballot machine:

You vote for DJT
You vote for HRC
You vote against DJT
You vote against HRC
You don't vote - which means you have NO say in the outcome and can't bitch about it. It is one of the reasons that the US has such a piss-poor voter turnout. People are fed up with status quo politicians. It goes back to long before "Mr Smith goes to Washington." The elites from both sides have been a long-standing trail of Harvardites and Yalies with law degrees and a resume of political posturing to move up.

For years, people have been saying they wanted a Washington outsider. Somebody who would treat the government in the same manner that a business must operate. In 2016, that happened. And, one of the reasons I didn't vote Democrat was because they put up the WRONG person - for 20 years I've watched the political maneuvering she and her team has done to line her up for the white house AND because then and to this day - I don't think she's going to avoid criminal charges. She has manipulated the system for 20 years. She sucked as a Senator & Secretary of State and I still hate her to her core for the Benghazi situation. There was also a greater outpouring to vote for Trump because the country had heard enough about "to be one of the ones to vote for the first black president" (never mind that he was half white) and didn't want to follow his perceived failings with "voting for the first woman president" who would ride the coat strings of those perceived Obama failings.

Did I think DJT would make a great President? Fuck no. I knew there was going to be a learning curve and that he wasn't going to be able to Executive Order OR Presidential Directive his way into every campaign promise made. That is the greatness of our country - checks and balances.

But, he was different than the status quo. Had there been a democrat with business experience that was not a Yalie or Harvardite with a law degree and string of political positioning - I believe the Democrats would have fared much better. HRC as the only candidate hurt the Democratic party in this election.

I hope the Democratic party learns from it. Watch what was successful and then put up their own Bill Gates against DJT in 2020.

Course, what do I know...

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[jakee 1,643]

BIGUN

You vote for DJT
You vote for HRC
You vote against DJT
You vote against HRC
You don't vote - which means you have NO say in the outcome and can't bitch about it. It is one of the reasons that the US has such a piss-poor voter turnout. People are fed up with status quo politicians.

Gotta be honest dude, a person who in the same breath refuses to contemplate the possibility of voting third party and moans about status quo politicians.... well, lets just say my screen now has coffee on it

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For years, people have been saying they wanted a Washington outsider. Somebody who would treat the government in the same manner that a business must operate.

Never mind that millions more still wanted a Washington insider, anyone who thinks Trump is that person has been well and truly duped.

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AND because then and to this day - I don't think she's going to avoid criminal charges.

And Donald Trump's provable criminal history far outweighs Clinton's. Did you think he would change when he got into office?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 3,169]

> I still hate her to her core

That is the most common reason I have heard for people not voting for Clinton, even people that thought Trump would be a problem. And there's just not that much you can do about that.

What I really worry about is the influence that Russia had in supporting, reinforcing and promulgating that emotion. (And they are still doing it on other topics.) Are we that easy to manipulate? I would like to think not.

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RonD1120

Also, a member of the SOF community and I always hated parade formations. However, I think a military parade in D.C. would be a good thing overall. Not for President Trump but for the American people. I believe he knows what he is doing.

We already have them, every Friday evening in the summertime at Marine Barracks 8th & I.

See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus

Shut Up & Jump!

[BIGUN 1,520]

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Gotta be honest dude, a person who in the same breath refuses to contemplate the possibility of voting third party and moans about status quo politicians

Gotta be honest with you, Dude... Look at bullet item #5. Not voting is more culturally acceptable than the you voted for who?!?!? What the fuck did you throw your vote away for??!??! Don't you remember the Ross Perot Election?!?!?!? Go get ya some tea. I got this.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

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BIGUN

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Gotta be honest dude, a person who in the same breath refuses to contemplate the possibility of voting third party and moans about status quo politicians

Gotta be honest with you, Dude... Look at bullet item #5. Not voting is more culturally acceptable than the you voted for who?!?!? What the fuck did you throw your vote away for??!??! Don't you remember the Ross Perot Election?!?!?!? Go get ya some tea. I got this.

And you are influenced by what is "culturally acceptable." I find that somewhat amazing.

[jakee 1,643]

BIGUN

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Gotta be honest dude, a person who in the same breath refuses to contemplate the possibility of voting third party and moans about status quo politicians

Gotta be honest with you, Dude... Look at bullet item #5. Not voting is more culturally acceptable than the you voted for who?!?!? What the fuck did you throw your vote away for??!??! Don't you remember the Ross Perot Election?!?!?!? Go get ya some tea. I got this.

And now you're having to explain why you voted for the moron in chief. Happier?

If you really cared about changing the status quo then voting third party and explaining to people why you voted third party would be good things.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[RonD1120 62]

BIGUN

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No I don't get why someone would say they voted for Trump because they didn't want to vote for Clinton. Specially considering there were roughly 150 million other options. A vote for somebody is a vote for somebody, not against somebody else.

I really wish you would quit saying this. You're either stubborn or don't know how the American election system works. There are five options when you walk up to the ballot machine:

You vote for DJT
You vote for HRC
You vote against DJT
You vote against HRC
You don't vote - which means you have NO say in the outcome and can't bitch about it. It is one of the reasons that the US has such a piss-poor voter turnout. People are fed up with status quo politicians. It goes back to long before "Mr Smith goes to Washington." The elites from both sides have been a long-standing trail of Harvardites and Yalies with law degrees and a resume of political posturing to move up.

For years, people have been saying they wanted a Washington outsider. Somebody who would treat the government in the same manner that a business must operate. In 2016, that happened. And, one of the reasons I didn't vote Democrat was because they put up the WRONG person - for 20 years I've watched the political maneuvering she and her team has done to line her up for the white house AND because then and to this day - I don't think she's going to avoid criminal charges. She has manipulated the system for 20 years. She sucked as a Senator & Secretary of State and I still hate her to her core for the Benghazi situation. There was also a greater outpouring to vote for Trump because the country had heard enough about "to be one of the ones to vote for the first black president" (never mind that he was half white) and didn't want to follow his perceived failings with "voting for the first woman president" who would ride the coat strings of those perceived Obama failings.

Did I think DJT would make a great President? Fuck no. I knew there was going to be a learning curve and that he wasn't going to be able to Executive Order OR Presidential Directive his way into every campaign promise made. That is the greatness of our country - checks and balances.

But, he was different than the status quo. Had there been a democrat with business experience that was not a Yalie or Harvardite with a law degree and string of political positioning - I believe the Democrats would have fared much better. HRC as the only candidate hurt the Democratic party in this election.

I hope the Democratic party learns from it. Watch what was successful and then put up their own Bill Gates against DJT in 2020.

Course, what do I know...

I totally agree.

The Democrat Party needs to change their strategy from opposition to creative social and economic planning. This business of get Trump/Repulicans and promote racial bigotry is just stupidly inefficient.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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billvon

> I still hate her to her core

That is the most common reason I have heard for people not voting for Clinton, even people that thought Trump would be a problem. And there's just not that much you can do about that.

What I really worry about is the influence that Russia had in supporting, reinforcing and promulgating that emotion. (And they are still doing it on other topics.) Are we that easy to manipulate? I would like to think not.

And the thing is that many of the people with this opinion, that she's irrevocably demonic, can't put their finger on a solid thing for which to hate her. Moderates who have historically not liked her will say that she's a shill to populism and a career self promoter with obviously Leftist stances who leaves her supporters (minorities, Democrats) behind the moment she's earned their vote but moderates also know that Trump is far worse in all of these regards. The ones who really try to hang something on her have to resort to conspiracy theories to validate themselves and STILL won't acknowledge that Trump ACTUALLY has committed many of the crimes of which they accuse her.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[jakee 1,643]

RonD1120

I totally agree.

The Democrat Party needs to change their strategy from opposition to creative social and economic planning. This business of get Trump/Repulicans and promote racial bigotry is just stupidly inefficient.

The democrats are in opposition. It’s all very well having plans (which they do) but when you don’t have any branch of government to work with you can’t really get anything done except opposing.

Contrast this with the Republicans, whose stated policy even when they held two branches of government was simply to oppose anything Obama wanted. They did nothing positive for 6 years. They didn’t have even the skeleton of a plan ready to replace Obamacare when their number one plank for year after year after year was to scrap Obamacare. The sum total of their strategy and planning had been to oppose it, and nothing else.

And, since it actually worked for them, why do you think it would be so bad for the Democrats even if they were doing the same thing?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[BIGUN 1,520]

jakee

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Gotta be honest dude, a person who in the same breath refuses to contemplate the possibility of voting third party and moans about status quo politicians

Gotta be honest with you, Dude... Look at bullet item #5. Not voting is more culturally acceptable than the you voted for who?!?!? What the fuck did you throw your vote away for??!??! Don't you remember the Ross Perot Election?!?!?!? Go get ya some tea. I got this.

And now you're having to explain why you voted for the moron in chief. Happier?

If you really cared about changing the status quo then voting third party and explaining to people why you voted third party would be good things.

For you and headoverheels... I was speaking in general terms. I own voting for trump AND against Hillary. I did change the status quo. You just don't like that he got in office and are absolutely unwilling to look at how he got in office, how he beat out 16 well qualified contenders, etc. Case study for years to come.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[jakee 1,643]

BIGUN

For you and headoverheels... I was speaking in general terms. I own voting for trump AND against Hillary. I did change the status quo. You just don't like that he got in office and are absolutely unwilling to look at how he got in office, how he beat out 16 well qualified contenders, etc. Case study for years to come.

Two reasons, really. First, the Republicans have convinced themselves that their fringe rightvelements are really their base, whic allowed DJT to hikack the primaries, second the Rs had for a couple of years been running the most successful character assassination campaign ever against HRC.

There are other factors, but that’s mostly it.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 3,169]

>the Rs had for a couple of years been running the most successful character assassination
>campaign ever against HRC.

Yep. And the democrats will learn that lesson.

Next election cycle, if Trump is still in the running, look for nothing beyond character assassination of Trump. Because it works. (Needless to say, the republicans will bemoan how mean and evil the democrats are for doing that.)

[JerryBaumchen 1,486]

Hi Keith,

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I own voting for trump AND against Hillary.

Are you still glad that you voted for Trump?

Jerry Baumchen

[BIGUN 1,520]

JerryBaumchen

Hi Keith,

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I own voting for trump AND against Hillary.

Are you still glad that you voted for Trump?

Jerry Baumchen

Hi Jerry,

Absolutely. I would have voted for Kermit to keep HRC out of office.

Keith

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.