yoink 321 #26 August 12, 2018 kallend *********All right, but apart from the Budweiser, margaritas, frankfurters, hamburgers, Cajun culture, jambalaya, kindergarten, apple pie, cars, cowboys, the music to the Star Spangled Banner, morality, language, and religions, what have the immigrants ever done for us? The statue of liberty? And nuclear bombs. And nuclear reactors. And spaceflight. But other than that - NOTHING! Well, the telephone too. Basketball. And YouTube. Jeans, too. Oh, should probably mention the Pen and the Contraceptive pill as well. Nothing particularly useful, really. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 644 #27 August 13, 2018 Tell that to the Apaches. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #28 August 13, 2018 riggerrobTell that to the Apaches. I've known two Mescalero Apaches. One in Taos NM in the late '70s and the other up here in the mountains. The latter is a Desert Storm warrior and leader in two veteran groups. Neither one ever mentioned what you are referencing.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,131 #29 August 13, 2018 >I've known two Mescalero Apaches. One in Taos NM in the late '70s and the other up >here in the mountains. The latter is a Desert Storm warrior and leader in two veteran >groups. It would be funny to hear you tell them about how immigration is ruining America, and natives like yourself won't stand for it anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #30 August 13, 2018 Looks like not everyone in Stephen Miller's family is onboard with his xenophobia. Politico: Stephen Miller Is an Immigration Hypocrite. I Know Because I’m His Uncle. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/13/stephen-miller-is-an-immigration-hypocrite-i-know-because-im-his-uncle-219351"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #31 August 13, 2018 billvon>I've known two Mescalero Apaches. One in Taos NM in the late '70s and the other up >here in the mountains. The latter is a Desert Storm warrior and leader in two veteran >groups. It would be funny to hear you tell them about how immigration is ruining America, and natives like yourself won't stand for it anymore. Like I said, it is not an issue now.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #32 August 13, 2018 RonD1120***>I've known two Mescalero Apaches. One in Taos NM in the late '70s and the other up >here in the mountains. The latter is a Desert Storm warrior and leader in two veteran >groups. It would be funny to hear you tell them about how immigration is ruining America, and natives like yourself won't stand for it anymore. Like I said, it is not an issue now. Sometimes racist ties are stronger than native ties. Hatred makes for interesting bedfellows. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #33 August 13, 2018 ryoderLooks like not everyone in Stephen Miller's family is onboard with his xenophobia. Politico: Stephen Miller Is an Immigration Hypocrite. I Know Because I’m His Uncle. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/13/stephen-miller-is-an-immigration-hypocrite-i-know-because-im-his-uncle-219351 That's a pretty good read."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #34 August 14, 2018 SkyDekker******>I've known two Mescalero Apaches. One in Taos NM in the late '70s and the other up >here in the mountains. The latter is a Desert Storm warrior and leader in two veteran >groups. It would be funny to hear you tell them about how immigration is ruining America, and natives like yourself won't stand for it anymore. Like I said, it is not an issue now. Sometimes racist ties are stronger than native ties. Hatred makes for interesting bedfellows. And sometimes folks simply lack any concern for progressive liberal issues. We tend to look at life through the windshield, not the rearview mirror.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,192 #35 August 14, 2018 RonD1120... We tend to look at life through the windshield, not the rearview mirror. Yet for some its the rear view mirror that colors their perceptions of what they see in the windshield. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #36 August 14, 2018 QuoteWe tend to look at life through the windshield, not the rearview mirror. Considering you are pining for how things used to be, guided by a book that tells 2,000 year old fables, that statement is rather laughable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,131 #37 August 14, 2018 >We tend to look at life through the windshield, not the rearview mirror. Sounds like you are a progressive after all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lippy 918 #38 August 14, 2018 billvon >We tend to look at life through the windshield, not the rearview mirror. Sounds like you are a progressive after all. Ron may interpret that as a personal attackI got nuthin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,131 #39 August 14, 2018 >Ron may interpret that as a personal attack Hey, progressives are forward-looking; that's part of the definition. They look forward to the future, and don't dwell on the past, or want it to return - and he just defined himself that way. Ron just doesn't like the word because it appears next to "liberal" a lot. Also keep in mind that to someone 100 years ago, Ron is a flaming liberal, since he professes to accept blacks in his neighborhood and doesn't mind interracial marriage. That alone would have gotten him run out of many churches in the 1920's. Likewise, if Ron could see 100 years into the future to someone who is "far right" at that time, he'd think that person was an evil progressive liberal. Society moves on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #40 August 14, 2018 Can you have a extreme progressive conservative? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #41 August 15, 2018 SkyDekkerQuoteWe tend to look at life through the windshield, not the rearview mirror. Considering you are pining for how things used to be, guided by a book that tells 2,000 year old fables, that statement is rather laughable. BingoNever try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #42 August 15, 2018 RonD1120And sometimes folks simply lack any concern for progressive liberal issues. As in issues about which conservatives nearly always end up on the wrong side of history? Those "progressive liberal issues"? You know, Christ, and therefore christians (though not necessarily Christians, who are often christian in name only), typically came down on the pro side when it came to progressive issues. They were/are very concerned, and opposed conservatives at every opportunity.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #43 August 15, 2018 You may not be aware but, the phrase "Christian in name only" has no meaning to Christians. Being a Christian is a choice. There are many steps on the path of sanctification. We are accepted through the atoning blood of Jesus the Christ on the cross not punished for our shortcomings. We do reap what we sow just like everyone. Therefore, there are all sorts of Christians. We are all pilgrims doing what we know to do, hoping we get it right when we don't know, and repent when we knowingly do wrong. The worse thing that can happen to you is when you die and stand before Jesus the Christ and He says depart from Me. I never knew you. The old saying, we are not perfect, we are forgiven. That is, if you ask for it.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,131 #44 August 15, 2018 >You may not be aware but, the phrase "Christian in name only" has no meaning to Christians. And yet you use it to separate yourself from "make believe" Christians. ============= 2018: RonD:That is true. A Christian will not, can not, be persuaded to turn away from truth. Jakee: So how come some of them do? RonD: I believe they were Christian in name only, similar to what we call RINOs. They never experienced true salvation. Judas Iscariot is the Biblical example of a make believe Christian. ============== 2015: RonD: The poll does not indicate whether they are Christian In Name Only or Born Again Christian. =============== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #45 August 15, 2018 billvon>You may not be aware but, the phrase "Christian in name only" has no meaning to Christians. And yet you use it to separate yourself from "make believe" Christians. ============= 2018: RonD:That is true. A Christian will not, can not, be persuaded to turn away from truth. Jakee: So how come some of them do? RonD: I believe they were Christian in name only, similar to what we call RINOs. They never experienced true salvation. Judas Iscariot is the Biblical example of a make believe Christian. ============== 2015: RonD: The poll does not indicate whether they are Christian In Name Only or Born Again Christian. =============== Good catch. I forgot about that line of thought.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,608 #46 August 15, 2018 RonD1120***>You may not be aware but, the phrase "Christian in name only" has no meaning to Christians. And yet you use it to separate yourself from "make believe" Christians. ============= 2018: RonD:That is true. A Christian will not, can not, be persuaded to turn away from truth. Jakee: So how come some of them do? RonD: I believe they were Christian in name only, similar to what we call RINOs. They never experienced true salvation. Judas Iscariot is the Biblical example of a make believe Christian. ============== 2015: RonD: The poll does not indicate whether they are Christian In Name Only or Born Again Christian. =============== Good catch. I forgot about that line of thought. Now that you know about it, do you think were you wrong then or wrong now?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #47 August 16, 2018 RonD1120You may not be aware but, the phrase "Christian in name only" has no meaning to Christians. On the other hand, most christians understand its meaning.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #48 August 16, 2018 jcd11235***You may not be aware but, the phrase "Christian in name only" has no meaning to Christians. On the other hand, most christians understand its meaning. I misunderstood your point. I've got nothing at this juncture.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #49 August 16, 2018 Why are there so many subsets of Christians, Ron? Surely you're a Christian if you follow the teachings of Jesus and you're not if you don't? I wouldn't have thought you get to go 'I agree with these things he said, but not these bits - BUT I'm still a Christian.'? By that rationale I completely agree with the whole 'try not to be a dick to each other' part so therefore I'm a Christian. HOORAY! Eternal life! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #50 August 16, 2018 yoinkWhy are there so many subsets of Christians, Ron? Surely you're a Christian if you follow the teachings of Jesus and you're not if you don't? I wouldn't have thought you get to go 'I agree with these things he said, but not these bits - BUT I'm still a Christian.'? By that rationale I completely agree with the whole 'try not to be a dick to each other' part so therefore I'm a Christian. HOORAY! Eternal life! Since this came up I have been pondering the concept. There are two, for the purpose of this discussion, aspects of Christianity. One is salvation and the other is spiritual enlightenment. Salvation is basically linear. If I accept Jesus's atoning death on the cross as The Son of God and His resurrection then I am saved. Then I receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to guide me in sanctification. Spiritual enlightenment is non-linear. It is the development of sanctification on the path of eternal life. The Holy Spirit is constantly enhancing individual spirit and soul in sanctification. It is dynamic creating the wonders of God as the attachment to the world is forsaken.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites