warpedskydiver 0 #1 August 10, 2006 This was sent by a friend: Well, today you got the "terror threat" I told you was coming. Duh. So here is the deal if you are a Republican: If you believe in our constitution and the rule of law, if you don't know what PNAC is, if you haven't read UN resolutions 242 & 338, if you don't know that wars rarely go well for the attacker, if you don't know what a chickenhawk is, if you don't know the difference between a Jewish person and a Zionist, if you haven't yet noticed that no one in the current administration knows how to wage war because all of them chose to cut-and-run from Vietnam, if you think 9/11 happened because they "hate democracy and hate our freedoms", if you think war is OK but have never personally witnessed violent death up close, if you think wearing a little flag or a blue hair ribbon makes you a patriot, then you are part of the dumbing-down of America and you need to do the rest of us a favor in November and please STAY HOME. Seriously. Do your homework. Stay home. Have a Latte. Watch the news, But don't be fooled again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #2 August 10, 2006 Right, how many googled PNAC? C'mon, admit it Well, guess I'll be off then...... 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #3 August 10, 2006 Oops, http://www.newamericancentury.org/ People will nay say and whine but will not even read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cumplidor 0 #4 August 10, 2006 This is some truly scary stuff. Look for the new movie from Aaron Russo titled America: Freedom to Facsism http://www.freedomtofascism.com Covers this and alot more! another link to an alternate movie trailer http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1616088001333580937&q=freedom+to+fascism+trailer&hl=en Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #5 August 11, 2006 QuoteThe Project for the New American Century is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; and that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle. The Project for the New American Century intends, through issue briefs, research papers, advocacy journalism, conferences, and seminars, to explain what American world leadership entails. It will also strive to rally support for a vigorous and principled policy of American international involvement and to stimulate useful public debate on foreign and defense policy and America's role in the world. William Kristol, Chairman Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #6 August 11, 2006 Quote .....and to stimulate useful public debate on foreign and defense policy and America's role in the world. Hmmmm....... They haven't gotten around to SC yet, have they? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #7 August 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe Project for the New American Century is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; and that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle. The Project for the New American Century intends, through issue briefs, research papers, advocacy journalism, conferences, and seminars, to explain what American world leadership entails. It will also strive to rally support for a vigorous and principled policy of American international involvement and to stimulate useful public debate on foreign and defense policy and America's role in the world. William Kristol, Chairman That was back in '97-'98. Now that these people are in office: Issue briefs= talking points research papers = play book advocacy journalism = swamp newspapers with our propaganda and monopolize Sunday morning news programming conferences = white house press breifings seminars = wars The attached photo pretty much sums up their domestic policy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #8 August 11, 2006 Hmmm... America getting into the "Empire-Building" business!!? PNAC is either absolutely terrifying, or a vision of a Brave New World... I'm thinking Huxley rather than Shakespeare. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #9 August 11, 2006 QuotePNAC is either absolutely terrifying, or a vision of a Brave New World... I'm thinking Huxley rather than Shakespeare I was thinking more along the lines of Orwell. Just got here about 20 years late. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #10 August 11, 2006 We've been talking about the PNAC for years on this forum. Why is this new to so many people?? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #11 August 11, 2006 No Idea..... I have known about them.. and was appalled when they got elected by so many uninformed people.... and we have ALL been paying the price ever since. IT would be nice if SOME of THEIR children were on the front lines in THEIR WAR. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #12 August 11, 2006 QuoteWe've been talking about the PNAC for years on this forum. Why is this new to so many people?? Because the media sucks at its job. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #13 August 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteWe've been talking about the PNAC for years on this forum. Why is this new to so many people?? Because the media sucks at its job. Ding Ding Ding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #14 August 12, 2006 QuoteNo Idea..... I have known about them.. and was appalled when they got elected by so many uninformed people.... and we have ALL been paying the price ever since. IT would be nice if SOME of THEIR children were on the front lines in THEIR WAR. So you support going back to the draft and forced inscription, then?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #15 August 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteNo Idea..... I have known about them.. and was appalled when they got elected by so many uninformed people.... and we have ALL been paying the price ever since. IT would be nice if SOME of THEIR children were on the front lines in THEIR WAR. So you support going back to the draft and forced inscription, then? There's an alternative that I guess you haven't considered.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #16 August 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteNo Idea..... I have known about them.. and was appalled when they got elected by so many uninformed people.... and we have ALL been paying the price ever since. IT would be nice if SOME of THEIR children were on the front lines in THEIR WAR. So you support going back to the draft and forced inscription, then? There's an alternative that I guess you haven't considered. Not unless we move away from a volunteer military and back to the draft...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #17 August 12, 2006 An option would be that all countries had a military with only defensive capabilities. . (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #18 August 12, 2006 QuoteAn option would be that all countries had a military with only defensive capabilities. . A short trip around your own countryside should show how well the "Castle Doctrine" worked, hmm?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #19 August 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNo Idea..... I have known about them.. and was appalled when they got elected by so many uninformed people.... and we have ALL been paying the price ever since. IT would be nice if SOME of THEIR children were on the front lines in THEIR WAR. So you support going back to the draft and forced inscription, then? There's an alternative that I guess you haven't considered. Not unless we move away from a volunteer military and back to the draft... There is yet another possibility that you haven't considered.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #20 August 12, 2006 QuoteAn option would be that all countries had a military with only defensive capabilities. . That's not a reasonable option, primarily because forcing other countries to disarm would need to be an offensive military action itself. You're talking WWIII here at least. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #21 August 12, 2006 QuoteThere is yet another possibility that you haven't considered. What would that be?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #22 August 12, 2006 Why should we force others [and who currently, are these others?] to disarm?.. If we have a strong defensive capability, we would not need to be offensive[sic] to anyone. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #23 August 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteThere is yet another possibility that you haven't considered. What would that be? Don't get into optional wars of aggression on distant continents that result in the Army being unable to meet its recruitment goals even after raising the maximum age for enlistment and lowering the physical fitness standards.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #24 August 12, 2006 QuoteDon't get into optional wars here's a summary Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #25 August 12, 2006 QuoteWhy should we force others [and who currently, are these others?] to disarm?.. If we have a strong defensive capability, we would not need to be offensive[sic] to anyone. Well, you said you wanted all countries to have a military with only defensive capabilities. How do you plan on achieving that? Do you really think China/Korea/Saudi Arabia/Iran, etc... are going to just voluntarily give up their offensive capabilities? The US has very strong defensive capabilities already. So far, we haven't had a conflict on our own soil with another nation in a very long time. What we have had is conflicts with individuals and organizations that operate under the radar. Reducing our own offensive capabilities and those of other nations isn't going to solve that problem at all. It doesn't even begin to address it. What you're proposing seems extremely naive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
