baskets of deplorables

[ryoder 1,590]

billvon

Here's an example from Oregon:
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Nazis Thrown Out Of Portland's Lucky Lab Beer Hall

By Corey Pein | Published March 15, 2017

WW has obtained footage of a tense standoff between a group of self-professed Nazis and the outnumbered Sunday-night shift at a neighborhood bar, the Lucky Lab Beer Hall in Northwest Portland.

On March 12, the Lucky Lab staff eighty-sixed a group calling themselves "national socialists"—that is, Nazis—who had been recruiting at the bar. The group refused to leave and peppered staff with anti-gay slurs until police were called.
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"I hate Oregon Nazis!"

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[ryoder 1,590]

kallend

Piatek’s attorney, Paul Liggieri, told the court, “The purpose of the hat is that he wore it because he was visiting the 9/11 Memorial.”

“He was paying spiritual tribute to the victims of 9/11. The Make America Great Again hat was part of his spiritual belief.”

This must be his church:

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[DJL 235]

wolfriverjoe

******Judge rules deplorables are not a protected class:
http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2018/04/25/judge-rules-new-york-city-bar-can-refuse-service-to-trump-supporter-wearing-maga-hat.html

I do not agree with the judge on that one at all. Can't deny service because someone thinks differently than you do.

He didn't. He denied service because he was wearing a "MAGA" hat. He was told to remove the hat or leave.

That hat expresses a political stance. One than many find 'deplorable.'

Would you feel the same way about a place denying service to someone wearing, say, a Swastika shirt? (obviously, if the Nazi removed the shirt, he might no longer have a shirt on, so would fall under the 'no shirt' rule).

That's a bit of a stretch. People wearing MAGA shirts didn't (YET, lol) incinerate several million people.

Anyway, sounds like this guy had a shit lawyer and tried to plead it on the grounds of a religious belief leaving the judge no choice but to deny him because there were not any religious belief at hand. He states that this was no more than a petty slight. The bar also denied that they'd kicked him out and produced the receipt with tip from his visit.

But anyway....nice try, Fox News.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[Bob_Church 7]

DJL

*********Judge rules deplorables are not a protected class:
http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2018/04/25/judge-rules-new-york-city-bar-can-refuse-service-to-trump-supporter-wearing-maga-hat.html

I do not agree with the judge on that one at all. Can't deny service because someone thinks differently than you do.

He didn't. He denied service because he was wearing a "MAGA" hat. He was told to remove the hat or leave.

That hat expresses a political stance. One than many find 'deplorable.'

Would you feel the same way about a place denying service to someone wearing, say, a Swastika shirt? (obviously, if the Nazi removed the shirt, he might no longer have a shirt on, so would fall under the 'no shirt' rule).

That's a bit of a stretch. People wearing MAGA shirts didn't (YET, lol) incinerate several million people.

Anyway, sounds like this guy had a shit lawyer and tried to plead it on the grounds of a religious belief leaving the judge no choice but to deny him because there were not any religious belief at hand. He states that this was no more than a petty slight. The bar also denied that they'd kicked him out and produced the receipt with tip from his visit.

But anyway....nice try, Fox News.

It would be interesting to know if this happens in New York bars much or not. That is, actually happens. For instance, do people get kicked out for wearing the wrong team's T-shirt?

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

DJL

That's a bit of a stretch. People wearing MAGA shirts didn't (YET, lol) incinerate several million people.

Maybe. But some places refuse service to anyone wearing a hat. Remove it or leave.
Or a shirt with profanity on it.
Or bike club colors.

Or a variety of things.

As long as the policy is enforced evenly, as long as it isn't an excuse for legitimate discrimination (and no, there isn't 'discrimination against white Christian males', no matter how much they cry and whine about it), then it's usually legal.

I'm the first one to stand up for (real) free speech. But this isn't that.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[Bob_Church 7]

DJL

***Judge rules deplorables are not a protected class:
http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2018/04/25/judge-rules-new-york-city-bar-can-refuse-service-to-trump-supporter-wearing-maga-hat.html

I do not agree with the judge on that one at all. Can't deny service because someone thinks differently than you do.

On the subject of tossing people for wearing a message the bar manager disagrees with.
It seems like something that would be way to touchy to get into these days. What if a white truck driver comes in and gets kicked out for a MAGA hat, but then a gay black man comes in wearing one? After all, we're talking New York City, where anything can happen.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Bob_Church

******Judge rules deplorables are not a protected class:
http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2018/04/25/judge-rules-new-york-city-bar-can-refuse-service-to-trump-supporter-wearing-maga-hat.html

I do not agree with the judge on that one at all. Can't deny service because someone thinks differently than you do.

On the subject of tossing people for wearing a message the bar manager disagrees with.
It seems like something that would be way to touchy to get into these days. What if a white truck driver comes in and gets kicked out for a MAGA hat, but then a gay black man comes in wearing one? After all, we're talking New York City, where anything can happen.

Then the white guy would have an argument that there was a racial aspect to it, and it's illegal discrimination.

The same as if a Muslim was booted and a white guy was permitted to wear, say, a turban.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[billvon 3,111]

>What if a white truck driver comes in and gets kicked out for a MAGA hat, but then a gay
>black man comes in wearing one?

If they both get kicked out? Then not a problem if there is evidence to that effect. (Say a security camera.)

If there's no good evidence? Black guy will claim it's racial, owners will claim it's not because they kicked the other guy out, and we'd see another court case with a big "he-says-she-says" component to it.

[Bob_Church 7]

wolfriverjoe

*********Judge rules deplorables are not a protected class:
http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2018/04/25/judge-rules-new-york-city-bar-can-refuse-service-to-trump-supporter-wearing-maga-hat.html

I do not agree with the judge on that one at all. Can't deny service because someone thinks differently than you do.

On the subject of tossing people for wearing a message the bar manager disagrees with.
It seems like something that would be way to touchy to get into these days. What if a white truck driver comes in and gets kicked out for a MAGA hat, but then a gay black man comes in wearing one? After all, we're talking New York City, where anything can happen.

Then the white guy would have an argument that there was a racial aspect to it, and it's illegal discrimination.

The same as if a Muslim was booted and a white guy was permitted to wear, say, a turban.

That's what I'm saying. Would a bar owner really risk those kinds of lawsuits and maybe worse, social media attacks by reacting to something like this? We're not talking obscenities, Nazi or Nambla t-shirts. This is a political message that some people agree with and some don't. Could a person be kicked out of a New York City bar for wearing an Obama hat when he was still President?

[DanG 1]

Yes, why is this so hard to understand?

One of our local breweries kicks people out wearing the opposing team's colors when Redskins games are on. Being a Cowboys fan is not a protected class.

- Dan G

[billvon 3,111]

>Would a bar owner really risk those kinds of lawsuits and maybe worse, social media
>attacks by reacting to something like this?

If they stand to lose a lot of business if they did not? They well might.

>We're not talking obscenities, Nazi or Nambla t-shirts. This is a political message that
>some people agree with and some don't.

That's true of Nazi T-shirts as well. Specifically neo-Nazi organizations, like Vanguard America. Such an organization, in fact, did get kicked out of a Portland bar.

>Could a person be kicked out of a New York City bar for wearing an Obama hat when he
>was still President?

Sure, if you picked the right bar. (I am thinking a Wall Street bar catering to upper-class financial district patrons.)

[Bob_Church 7]

billvon

>Would a bar owner really risk those kinds of lawsuits and maybe worse, social media
>attacks by reacting to something like this?

If they stand to lose a lot of business if they did not? They well might.

>We're not talking obscenities, Nazi or Nambla t-shirts. This is a political message that
>some people agree with and some don't.

That's true of Nazi T-shirts as well. Specifically neo-Nazi organizations, like Vanguard America. Such an organization, in fact, did get kicked out of a Portland bar.

>Could a person be kicked out of a New York City bar for wearing an Obama hat when he
>was still President?

Sure, if you picked the right bar. (I am thinking a Wall Street bar catering to upper-class financial district patrons.)

Wait, you really think that would happen? In say 2015 someone wearing a CHANGE shirt or some other Obama saying would be asked to leave a bar? In New York. I know it's a big country with lots of different rules, that's why I keep asking about New York.
Edit: I'm not really interested in the specific politics of it. I've read in several places that the old attitude of an owner deciding who can come into their business or not is no longer valid in New York City. It's become sort of a rallying cry for some groups. I'm wondering if there's any truth to that or not. Or is it just more alt-right bullshit like this guy's story turned out to be?

[Bob_Church 7]

DanG

Yes, why is this so hard to understand?

One of our local breweries kicks people out wearing the opposing team's colors when Redskins games are on. Being a Cowboys fan is not a protected class.

Why would a New York bar care about Redskins versus Cowboys?

[jakee 1,594]

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Wait, you really think that would happen?

You said "could". As youre well aware, "would" is a totally different word with a totally different meaning.

I doubt you would try such an obvious bait and switch unless you realised you had just lost the first point you were trying to make. So, y'know, just man up and accept it. Don't play silly games.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 3,111]

>Wait, you really think that would happen?

Again, depends on the bar. New York City is a pretty diverse place. What might happen in Chinatown might never happen on Wall Street and vice versa.

And to be clear it wouldn't necessarily happen because the guy hated Obama (or blacks, or democrats, or anything else.) What could happen is:

Two guys with Obama T-shirts on come into a conservative bar.

They get a little drunk and loud and are doing fist bumps and yelling "hope and change! Four more years!"

The owner notices several of his old patrons coming in, seeing the pair, and leaving.

Another old patron comes in and talks to the owner, asking "hey, you gonna do anything about them? Or do we hafta find a new place?"

The owner goes over and asks them to leave, pointing to a sign that says "owner reserves the right to refuse service." In his mind, that's just what owners do - listen to their customers.

[Bob_Church 7]

"The owner goes over and asks them to leave, pointing to a sign that says "owner reserves the right to refuse service." In his mind, that's just what owners do - listen to their customers. "

That's what I was after, thanks. The next time I'm at a certain airport and this subject comes up I'll have some ammo. These guys haven't calmed down since Obama was elected President. And I won't even get into what they say about Chicago.

[DanG 1]

Any right minded football ball fan hates the Cowboys, that's what.

- Dan G

[Bob_Church 7]

DanG

Any right minded football ball fan hates the Cowboys, that's what.

Ooooh, that makes sense.

[kallend 2,146]

DanG

Any right minded football ball fan hates the Cowboys, that's what.

Unless they're playing the Patriots.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

kallend

***Any right minded football ball fan hates the Cowboys, that's what.

Unless they're playing the Patriots.

That doesn't mean you don't hate the Cowboys.

You just hate them both.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[DJL 235]

So just to wrap this one up, this wasn't a case of the judge ruling that bar could kick someone out for wearing a MAGA hat. The guy tried to sue them for damages for kicking him out and was unable to prove that they kicked him out. The bars says they didn't kick him out and produced a reciept for $186 with a $36 tip. He further tried establish that it was on the grounds of being a religious right to wear the hat but was unable to do this.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[wmw999 2,586]

Sounds like a snowflake wannabe.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Phil1111 1,173]

billvon

>Wait, you really think that would happen?

Again, depends on the bar. New York City is a pretty diverse place. What might happen in Chinatown might never happen on Wall Street and vice versa.

And to be clear it wouldn't necessarily happen because the guy hated Obama (or blacks, or democrats, or anything else.) What could happen is:

Two guys with Obama T-shirts on come into a conservative bar.

They get a little drunk and loud and are doing fist bumps and yelling "hope and change! Four more years!"

The owner notices several of his old patrons coming in, seeing the pair, and leaving.

Another old patron comes in and talks to the owner, asking "hey, you gonna do anything about them? Or do we hafta find a new place?"

The owner goes over and asks them to leave, pointing to a sign that says "owner reserves the right to refuse service." In his mind, that's just what owners do - listen to their customers.

In Toronto race relations are handled a bit different:

Toronto restaurant ordered to pay $10,000 after asking black customers to prepay for their meal
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-toronto-restaurant-ordered-to-pay-10000-after-asking-black-customers/

[billvon 3,111]

DJL

So just to wrap this one up, this wasn't a case of the judge ruling that bar could kick someone out for wearing a MAGA hat. The guy tried to sue them for damages for kicking him out and was unable to prove that they kicked him out. The bars says they didn't kick him out and produced a reciept for $186 with a $36 tip. He further tried establish that it was on the grounds of being a religious right to wear the hat but was unable to do this.

I get the feeling that it went down like this:

Hat guy goes to a bar. He has a few drinks. Someone makes disparaging comment about his hat. He gets mad. But the service was just fine, so he pays the bill and leaves a good tip.

Afterwards he stews about it. "They can't say that to me! Don't they know who I am? I'm a patriot who was visiting the 9/11 memorial! How DARE they criticize me! They are going to pay for this." A few more drinks were likely involved.

But how to retaliate? Sue the guy who insulted his hat? Then he's anti-free-speech. Sue the bar? For what? Then he has a flash of brilliance - "I'll say I was kicked out! After all, they can't prove I wasn't. And when they kick a black person out of a restaurant they sue; I just saw that on TV! And I am in the same situation here." And off he goes to find Dewey Cheatem and Howe, Attorneys at Law.

[DJL 235]

billvon

***So just to wrap this one up, this wasn't a case of the judge ruling that bar could kick someone out for wearing a MAGA hat. The guy tried to sue them for damages for kicking him out and was unable to prove that they kicked him out. The bars says they didn't kick him out and produced a reciept for $186 with a $36 tip. He further tried establish that it was on the grounds of being a religious right to wear the hat but was unable to do this.

I get the feeling that it went down like this:

Hat guy goes to a bar. He has a few drinks. Someone makes disparaging comment about his hat. He gets mad. But the service was just fine, so he pays the bill and leaves a good tip.

Afterwards he stews about it. "They can't say that to me! Don't they know who I am? I'm a patriot who was visiting the 9/11 memorial! How DARE they criticize me! They are going to pay for this." A few more drinks were likely involved.

But how to retaliate? Sue the guy who insulted his hat? Then he's anti-free-speech. Sue the bar? For what? Then he has a flash of brilliance - "I'll say I was kicked out! After all, they can't prove I wasn't. And when they kick a black person out of a restaurant they sue; I just saw that on TV! And I am in the same situation here." And off he goes to find Dewey Cheatem and Howe, Attorneys at Law.

Don't forget the part where he spends several weeks telling his friends about what the Libtards did to him in New York and he lies about it so for so long he doesn't even remember which version of the story he started with.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher