Nazi's are back!

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Lawndarter

***I have been to Alexander Stephens' home in Crawfordville GA. It is interesting to read about and view the artifacts of his life. Of particular interest is how well he treated his Negro servants and how much they loved him. Granted, he was unique in that respect. Also, he was an early friend and colleague of Abraham Lincoln. They served together in Congress.

I wonder if they will try to tear down his statue. What about the memorial at Stone Mountain?

I'll buy tickets to watch that get demolished.

Maybe we can hire some Taliban to come over. They seem to love doing that shit.

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RonD1120

You are correct. However, I do not see the need to condemn Alexander Stephens. He was simply a character in American history.

Who helped lead the US into a horrendous conflict in defense of an evil institution, which he gave his full support to despite apparently knowing that it was inherently evil. That's not the kind of person who should be commemorated.

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Right now the haters seem to be only here in the SC. There are no riots at the Alexander Stephens State Park.

You think the opinions here are from people angry enough to go out and riot?

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Why do we have so much anger and hatred in the skydiving community?

Since you admitted to a hatred of liberals just a few weeks ago, you tell us. Why is there so much anger and hatred in your community?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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jakee

Since you admitted to a hatred of liberals just a few weeks ago, you tell us. Why is there so much anger and hatred in your community?

From my point of view the Progressive Liberals want to enslave the population to benefit the elites. We had a civil war over that issue. We may have another one.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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RonD1120

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Since you admitted to a hatred of liberals just a few weeks ago, you tell us. Why is there so much anger and hatred in your community?

From my point of view the Progressive Liberals want to enslave the population to benefit the elites. We had a civil war over that issue. We may have another one.

So it's ok for you to hate liberals because of a hypothetical civil war that might be coming - but if liberals point out that it's not nice to have statues to the people who were on the evil side of the civil war that did actually happen, that's unjustifiable anger and hatred?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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RonD1120

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Since you admitted to a hatred of liberals just a few weeks ago, you tell us. Why is there so much anger and hatred in your community?

From my point of view the Progressive Liberals want to enslave the population to benefit the elites. We had a civil war over that issue. We may have another one.

So you support a trust fund billionaire to free the population from the elite. Logic not part of the skillset I see.

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RonD1120

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Since you admitted to a hatred of liberals just a few weeks ago, you tell us. Why is there so much anger and hatred in your community?

From my point of view the Progressive Liberals want to enslave the population to benefit the elites.

You do understand that every system will do this? The only thing that differs is who the 'elites' are. Or are you OK with enslaving everyone to benefit your particular group?

Sounds to me like you're after a system where everyone is equally responsible and has equal wealth. There are no 'elites' who are more equal than others in the system...
But I thought you hated Communism?

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From my point of view the Progressive Liberals want to enslave the population to benefit the elites.

Now that's downright funny. I'm trying to imagine just where you would need to be standing, and what kind of fun house mirrors and trick lenses you must be looking though to see the world in such a twisted fashion!

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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However, I do not see the need to condemn Alexander Stephens. He was simply a character in American history. He had some good points and some bad points. He had some folks who loved him and now it sadly seems he has some folks who choose to hate him.

Right now the haters seem to be only here in the SC.

You could say exactly the same thing about Timothy McVeigh.

Would you be OK with a statue of Timothy McVeigh in your town?

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gowlerk

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From my point of view the Progressive Liberals want to enslave the population to benefit the elites.

Now that's downright funny. I'm trying to imagine just where you would need to be standing, and what kind of fun house mirrors and trick lenses you must be looking though to see the world in such a twisted fashion!

Let's talk about fun house mirrors and trick lenses. While you all are losing your mind over several hundred Nazis and one true lunatic the real threat is missed once again.

If you're black, there's a 90% chance you'll be murdered by another black person. If you're white there is an 81% chance you'll be murdered by another white person. Seems to me that's the real threat.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/race-and-homicide-in-america-by-the-numbers

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The vast majority of homicide victims are killed by people of their own race. People tend to kill who they know.

"You hurt people who are a lot like you. That's how it works," says David Kennedy, a professor and director of the National Network for Safe Communities at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York City.

Among the roughly 6,000 cases in which the race of the victim and the offender were known, the number of blacks killed by blacks rose to 2,380 last year, an increase of about 8 percent from 2014.

However, the share of black-on-black homicides as a proportion of black people killed actually fell by just under 1 percentage point, to 89.3 percent. This undoubtedly fractional decrease – which marked the third straight year of incremental reductions – still meant that for the first time since the start of the 21st century, the percentage of black victims killed by another black person stood below 90 percent of the total of black people killed.

Often less discussed – to the consternation of experts and columnists – is the phenomenon of white-on-white homicides. The number of white people killed by other whites rose 3.5 percent to 2,574 victims in 2015.

White-on-white killings as a percentage of all homicides involving a white victim also fell, to 81.3 percent, marking the lowest share of such killings since 2001.

The margins are small, fluctuating by less than 3 percentage points in the last 15 years: Since 2001, the share of black-on-black and white-on-white homicides as a proportion of those killed of each race peaked at 91.9 and 84.2 percent, respectively.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Most in here would never consider making a jump without an AAD, RSL, and MARD.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[gowlerk 2,256]

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Let's talk about fun house mirrors and trick lenses. While you all are losing your mind over several hundred Nazis and one true lunatic the real threat is missed once again.

If you're black, there's a 90% chance you'll be murdered by another black person. If you're white there is an 81% chance you'll be murdered by another white person. Seems to me that's the real threat.

What in God's name does this statistic have to do with liberals wanting to enslave the population?


And yes, your spouse is the person most likely to murder you. Especially if you are a woman. So cower in fear when you sleep at night if you are married.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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Let's talk about fun house mirrors and trick lenses. While you all are losing your mind over several hundred Nazis and one true lunatic the real threat is missed once again.

If you're black, there's a 90% chance you'll be murdered by another black person. If you're white there is an 81% chance you'll be murdered by another white person. Seems to me that's the real threat.

VROOOOOOOOWWWWOOOOWOWOOWOWOWOWORRRROOOOOOMMMMM!!!! Yup, that's the sound of the issue of racial equality going over your head.

I'm sure black people living in high crime areas would rather not be shot by anyone but even more-so they and others who lay in the metaphorical scope of racism and bigotry would rather not be the subject of the racism and bigotry that has kept them out of well paying jobs for so long and living in high crime areas.

Edit: To clarify your source for you, it's saying that if you are a murder victim then there's a very high percentage that the murderer will be someone in the community in which you most closely relate. That has absolutely zero to do with civil rights if only to say that people are very racially divided into communities. Also, you didn't even come close to explaining it. 90% of black people aren't being murdered by black people, 90% of the people who murder black people are black.

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However, I do not see the need to condemn Alexander Stephens. He was simply a character in American history. He had some good points and some bad points. He had some folks who loved him and now it sadly seems he has some folks who choose to hate him.

Alexander Stevens quote:

"[Our new government's] foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man," Stevens said, in Savannah, Ga. "That slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition."


Yes, of course. Statues of this man are exactly what are needed. Celebrate the losers.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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gowlerk

Yes, of course. Statues of this man are exactly what are needed. Celebrate the losers.

I kind of wish you written this differently. I can still celebrate a noble person who has lost a worthwhile cause.

Stevens was neither a noble person nor fighting a worthwhile cause.

Having lost a fight doesn't mean a person is bad.
Being an asshole does.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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This.
Without a doubt.

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DJL

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Let's talk about fun house mirrors and trick lenses. While you all are losing your mind over several hundred Nazis and one true lunatic the real threat is missed once again.

If you're black, there's a 90% chance you'll be murdered by another black person. If you're white there is an 81% chance you'll be murdered by another white person. Seems to me that's the real threat.

VROOOOOOOOWWWWOOOOWOWOOWOWOWOWORRRROOOOOOMMMMM!!!! Yup, that's the sound of the issue of racial equality going over your head.

I'm sure black people living in high crime areas would rather not be shot by anyone but even more-so they and others who lay in the metaphorical scope of racism and bigotry would rather not be the subject of the racism and bigotry that has kept them out of well paying jobs for so long and living in high crime areas.

Edit: To clarify your source for you, it's saying that if you are a murder victim then there's a very high percentage that the murderer will be someone in the community in which you most closely relate. That has absolutely zero to do with civil rights if only to say that people are very racially divided into communities. Also, you didn't even come close to explaining it. 90% of black people aren't being murdered by black people, 90% of the people who murder black people are black.

And once again the real threat to society as a whole is missed. Do you honestly think racial equality has anything to do with KKK or Nazis or BLM...or passing laws or removing monuments? While that might make you feel good it doesn't solve anything.

Black people (mostly) are up in arms about the Nazis and the KKK. White people (mostly) are up in arms about BLM and such. None of those organizations poses any real threat to society but they miss the point completely. You are so wrong if you think the small group of Nazis and KKK represent the majority of white people, or BLM represents the majority of black people.

Why do I even bother?

Please don't dent the planet.

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[normiss 867]

We don't.
We have a very low tolerance for bullshit, lies, and non factual tales.

[gowlerk 2,256]

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I kind of wish you written this differently. I can still celebrate a noble person who has lost a worthwhile cause.

This reminds me of a Canadian hero. Terry Fox. All Canadians know who he was. I doubt if many Americans have heard of him. He is celebrated for an heroic attempt that ended in complete failure. I've often wondered if only Canadians could feel this way!

The comment I made was in reference to the fact that after Lincoln was assassinated and Andrew Johnson took the presidency the former confederate states were largely allowed to immediately begin rolling back the gains that were paid for in so much blood. Normally the victors write the history. In this case the politics of governing combined with outright racism enabled the traitors to regain control and respectability they did not deserve.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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Hi Ken,

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I doubt if many Americans have heard of him.

The name was familiar; but I admit, I did not remember him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Fox

Jerry Baumchen

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While you all are losing your mind over several hundred Nazis and one true lunatic the real threat is missed once again.

These people have always been around. What you call "losing your mind" is the reaction to the fact that suddenly they feel that they can operate openly. Antifa groups are working to push their filthy faces back into the caves they have been emboldened to emerge from.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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Black people (mostly) are up in arms about the Nazis and the KKK. White people (mostly) are up in arms about BLM and such.

White people aren't mostly up in arms about BLM. White people are mostly up in arms about Nazis and the KKK. Just like black people.

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You are so wrong if you think the small group of Nazis and KKK represent the majority of white people, or BLM represents the majority of black people.

Why do I even bother?

I don't know, why do you bother making up strawmen that have nothing to do with anyone's stated position?

No one here thinks the KKK represents the majority of white people, therefore no one is 'so wrong'.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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ScottishJohn

Atleast they know how to deal with these people in Germany
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/14/drunken-american-beaten-up-for-giving-nazi-salute-in-germany

I find it offensive that America allows these people to piss on the graves of all he people who gave their lives fighting against this madness during WW2

Hear, hear! Millions of US and Allied troops, people's parents and grandparents died to prevent this shitstain of an ideology being propagated in Europe. By refusing to condemn these bastards in the harshest possible terms Trump just took a big steaming dump on the graves of all those buried in Arlington and other cemeteries worldwide.

Atheism is a Non-Prophet Organisation

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airdvr

And once again the real threat to society as a whole is missed. Do you honestly think racial equality has anything to do with KKK or Nazis or BLM...or passing laws or removing monuments? While that might make you feel good it doesn't solve anything.

Black people (mostly) are up in arms about the Nazis and the KKK. White people (mostly) are up in arms about BLM and such. None of those organizations poses any real threat to society but they miss the point completely. You are so wrong if you think the small group of Nazis and KKK represent the majority of white people, or BLM represents the majority of black people.

Why do I even bother?

Actually, passing laws does have an effect. It doesn't stop racism, but it reduces it. It provides an incentive to not do it and it provides a recourse to those who are discriminated against.

Standing up to the Nazis and KKK has an effect too. It's not just black people doing it either (not even "mostly"). It drives them underground. It provides consequences for the action. How many of those idiots are facing job loss and other consequences after their faces showed up all over the internet?

BLM brought the killing of blacks by police to the front of the nation's conscience. Honestly, I don't know that many white people who are "up in arms" about BLM, outside of the racists. Some are overt, but most are 'closeted racists', that is they hold opinions and positions that are pretty clearly racist to anyone paying attention, but deny it up and down. ]
To put it another way, not everyone who criticized Obama is/was racist. But most of the "Birthers" were. Most of the ones who claimed he was a "secret Muslim" were.

And removing the statues won't "cure" racism. But removing statues that represent hatred and bigotry (both in the history of the person the statue is of and in the history of the reasons behind the placement of them) will keep it from being shoved in the faces of everyone who despises it.
Both black and white.

Keep in mind that there are a lot of white people who think that equal rights are important for everyone (there are a lot of men in favor of equal rights for women, too).
Do remember that the three poll workers killed in Mississippi (as depicted in the movie "Mississippi Burning") were white.

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[billvon 3,085]

> Do you honestly think racial equality has anything to do with KKK or Nazis or
>BLM...or passing laws or removing monuments?

Yes. The law that ended slavery had a lot to do with racial equality. So did the laws that allowed blacks to marry whites, or the laws that outlawed segregation. Groups throughout history, from the Suffragetes to Martin Luther King and his supporters, have done a lot for equality.

Will removing a statue do anything? Not much. Will ending the white supremacist culture - including the KKK, those monuments, the neo-Nazis and all the organized racists - do anything to improve the problems with racism in the US? Absolutely.

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airdvr

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Let's talk about fun house mirrors and trick lenses. While you all are losing your mind over several hundred Nazis and one true lunatic the real threat is missed once again.

If you're black, there's a 90% chance you'll be murdered by another black person. If you're white there is an 81% chance you'll be murdered by another white person. Seems to me that's the real threat.

VROOOOOOOOWWWWOOOOWOWOOWOWOWOWORRRROOOOOOMMMMM!!!! Yup, that's the sound of the issue of racial equality going over your head.

I'm sure black people living in high crime areas would rather not be shot by anyone but even more-so they and others who lay in the metaphorical scope of racism and bigotry would rather not be the subject of the racism and bigotry that has kept them out of well paying jobs for so long and living in high crime areas.

Edit: To clarify your source for you, it's saying that if you are a murder victim then there's a very high percentage that the murderer will be someone in the community in which you most closely relate. That has absolutely zero to do with civil rights if only to say that people are very racially divided into communities. Also, you didn't even come close to explaining it. 90% of black people aren't being murdered by black people, 90% of the people who murder black people are black.

And once again the real threat to society as a whole is missed. Do you honestly think racial equality has anything to do with KKK or Nazis or BLM...or passing laws or removing monuments? While that might make you feel good it doesn't solve anything.

Black people (mostly) are up in arms about the Nazis and the KKK. White people (mostly) are up in arms about BLM and such. None of those organizations poses any real threat to society but they miss the point completely. You are so wrong if you think the small group of Nazis and KKK represent the majority of white people, or BLM represents the majority of black people.

Why do I even bother?

First, do you realize that you just tried to say that 90% of black people die being murdered by other black people. Let's clear that up before you wax intellectual superiority.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[airdvr 210]

If that's the way you want to interpret it, so be it. You know what I meant. So did everyone else.

Please don't dent the planet.

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