ISIS claims bombing at Ariana Grande concert in Manchester, England

[SkyDekker 1,465]

mr2mk1g

I doubt the leak was in the UK. Both the name and the photos were published in the US - if you're going to leak you leak to your own press, there's no point leaking to someone else's.

There are two separate issues:

1. getting the information.
2. deciding to publish the information.

UK press has been known in the past to not publish information they had. It is very conceivable UK media had the same information, but decided not to publish.

[headoverheels 334]

mr2mk1g

I doubt the leak was in the UK. Both the name and the photos were published in the US - if you're going to leak you leak to your own press, there's no point leaking to someone else's.

Depends on who will pay you.

[JerryBaumchen 1,468]

Hi yoink,

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there won't be any questions about it at the end

While I do not define just what a press conference, I do believe that, historically, they do include questions from the press.

Jerry Baumchen

[yoink 321]

Call it a 'press briefing'? 'Press bollocking'?

[wmw999 2,589]

When there's no questions at the end (by no means unprecedented), I think it's just a press announcement. It's just that by doing it in person, that adds a little gravitas.

Of course, gravitas doesn't really hang well on the President.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[AlanS 1]

Here is the list of victims.

Too often the villains become famous, and the victims become forgotten. When is should be the other way around. We have both the press and ourselves to blame for that.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/05/world/manchester-terror-attack-victims/

JOHN ATKINSON
COURTNEY BOYLE - 19 years old
KELLY BREWSTER
GEORGINA CALLANDER - 18 years old
OLIVIA CAMPBELL - 15 years old
WENDY FAWELL
MARTYN HETT
ALISON HOWE
MEGAN HURLEY - 15 years old
NELL JONES
MICHELLE KISS
MARCIN AND ANGELIKA KLIS
SORRELL LECZKOWSKI - 14 years old
LISA LEES
EILIDH MACLEOD - 14 years old
ELAINE MCIVER
SAFFIE ROSE ROUSSOS - 8 years old
CHLOE RUTHERFORD AND LIAM CURRY - 17 and 19 years old
PHILIP TRON
JANE TWEDDLE

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Thank you for posting this Alan!

[AlanS 1]

The mother of Saffie Rose Roussos, the 8-year old that died at the concert is still gravely wounded and still in the hospital.

They finally told her of her daughter's death today.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/manchester-concert-explosion/manchester-bombing-mom-victim-saffie-rose-roussos-out-danger-n767466

[MikeJD 0]

nolhtairt

So it happens again. At least 22 dead and over 100 injured by a suicide bomber at the end of the concert.

And again - 7 dead and 48 injured in London last night. But as shocking as these attacks are, I really don't feel as though I or the people I know are under serious threat. I worry a lot more about the ammunition that these events give to the racists, the extreme right-wingers and those who would sacrifice our civil liberties for the benefit of keeping us 'safe'.

[kallend 2,150]

On any typical day in the USA some 30 Americans are shot dead by other Americans exercising their 2nd Amendment rights. And no-one seems to think it unusual.

Since the Manchester bombing, some 400 Americans will have been shot dead. Just business as usual.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Phil1111 1,183]

Donald Trump uses London terror attack to twist Sadiq Khan's words as he trolls capital's mayor..

Donald Trump has used the London terror attack to troll the capital's mayor Sadiq Khan just hours after the violence that left seven dead.

The US President accused Mr Khan of saying the massacre gave "no reason to be alarmed" in an astonishing Twitter rant...

And a spokeswoman for Mr Khan hit back: "The Mayor is busy working with the police, emergency services, and the government to coordinate the response to this horrific and cowardly terrorist attack and provide leadership and reassurance to Londoners and visitors to our city.

"He has more important things to do than respond to Donald Trump's ill-informed tweet that deliberately takes out of context his remarks urging Londoners not to be alarmed when they saw more police - including armed officers - on the streets."...

The President's intervention prompted fury from sitting London MPs.

David Lammy said: "These words are deeply unpleasant and unseemly and unbecoming of any national leader.

"It is deeply offensive to the victims and first responders and the people of London to tweet such words about our elected mayor who as we speak is on the frontline, working with the police, to keep London safe at this fraught and difficult time."

And Wes Streeting lambasted the President over damaging leaks of intelligence on the Manchester attack to US media.

"Having already undermined police response to Manchester, this so-called ally makes cheap attack on London's Mayor. Cancel the state visit," he said.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/donald-trump-uses-london-terror-10557760

[yoink 321]

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@realDonaldTrump 3h3 hours ago
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Do you notice we are not having a gun debate right now? That's because they used knives and a truck!

*sigh

Imagine how much worse it would have been if the 3 men in the van had jumped out armed with automatic weapons instead of knives. The carnage would have been 100 times worse.

The lack of availability of weapons limits the harm that can be done in a short space of time...

[aphid 0]

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/uk-professor-rips-trumps-mindless-response-to-terror-attacks-were-you-genetically-engineered-to-be-stupid/

[billvon 3,119]

The UK after 9/11: "We've offered President Bush and the American people our solidarity, our profound sympathy and our prayers. . . .We here in Britain stand shoulder to shoulder with our American friends in this hour of tragedy and we like them will not rest until this evil is driven from our world."

Trump after London attacks: "At least 7 dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and Mayor of London says there is "no reason to be alarmed!" "

What a dick.

[yoink 321]

and his latest tweet:

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Pathetic excuse by London Mayor Sadiq Khan who had to think fast on his "no reason to be alarmed" statement. MSM is working hard to sell it!

You're right, Trump. 'EVERYBODY PANIC!!' is the message a real leader would give. Heaven forbid that politicians try and keep people calm during an emergency.

Our president, ladies and gentlemen... using a terrorist attack on an ally to promote his own agendas. Class.

[billvon 3,119]

>Our president, ladies and gentlemen... using a terrorist attack on an ally to
>promote his own agendas.

The AP puts it pretty succinctly: "President Donald Trump can’t be counted on to give accurate information to Americans when violent acts are unfolding abroad."

[MikeJD 0]

yoink

and his latest tweet:

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Pathetic excuse by London Mayor Sadiq Khan who had to think fast on his "no reason to be alarmed" statement. MSM is working hard to sell it!

Just astonishing.

I'm not an apologist for Sadiq Khan, and I think it was possibly a mistake for someone in his position to publicly refer to Trump as a 'buffoon' - presumably the origin of this spat - but surely it must be obvious to anyone that the mayor's remark about not being alarmed genuinely was in reference to the increased police presence. No 'fast thinking' required.

In any case, even if it had been in relation to the threat of terrorist attack I would still absolutely have agreed with him.

Trump reminds me a little of that eccentric uncle who regales everyone with stories of how he single-handedly defeated Hitler even though he wasn't even born until after the war. I can't quite figure out whether he doesn't know, or just doesn't care, how transparently bollocks so much of his bluster is, but it makes me cringe. I'd be too embarrassed to invite him to a family barbecue, never mind to represent America on the world stage.

[christelsabine 1]

MikeJD

I can't quite figure out whether he doesn't know, or just doesn't care, how transparently bollocks so much of his bluster is, but it makes me cringe. I'd be too embarrassed to invite him to a family barbecue, never mind to represent America on the world stage.

All of the BS he's spouting out nearly on a daily basis just is forcing me to a frightening question:

Who really is the shadow behind him, controlling him, telling him what to do, what to say .... as one thing is for sure: trump is not educated, a bit dim, doesn't know anything about politics, the world, diplomacy - he simple is an idiot on a string.

So, who is it, controlling the string? Opinions vary ....

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[billvon 3,119]

>Who really is the shadow behind him, controlling him, telling him what to do, what to say ....

There's no one person. As far as anyone can tell, the person whose advice Trump heeds is the last person he talks to. Hence the mad scramble to be the last person on Trump's calendar before he makes some policy decision.
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Want to change Trump’s mind on policy? Be the last one who talks to him.
By Amber Phillips
April 28 2017 WaPo

Trump's policy flip-flops grow

You can say this for President Trump: Unlike most other politicians, he's totally at peace with changing his mind at any given moment, with very little explanation.

We've also noticed that some of his biggest flip-flops on a key issue of his issue happen immediately after he's talked to a person directly involved on the other side.

Examples:

1. On whether to pull out of NAFTA . . .
2. On labeling China a currency manipulator . . .
3. On whether China's doing enough to tame North Korea . . .
4. On NATO's usefulness . . .
5. On whether the Export-Import Bank should stay or go . . .
6. On how easy repealing the Affordable Care Act would be . . .
7. On the use of torture . . .
8. On the “failing New York Times” . . .

One former Trump aide, who requested anonymity to speak candidly, said that the president is known to form initial opinions based on instinct but later to change his stance based on new information and the influence of his advisers.

“He has a general reaction to something, then after he does a lot more homework on the situation, he can change his view,” the former adviser said. “The reason most of these voters voted on him was less because of the core issues, it was more based on the Trump decision-making, the Trump judgment.”

But especially lately, the Trump judgment seems quite amenable based on whom he's talking to.

[mr2mk1g 10]

yoink

and his latest tweet:

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Pathetic excuse by London Mayor Sadiq Khan who had to think fast on his "no reason to be alarmed" statement. MSM is working hard to sell it!

You're right, Trump. 'EVERYBODY PANIC!!' is the message a real leader would give. Heaven forbid that politicians try and keep people calm during an emergency.

Our president, ladies and gentlemen... using a terrorist attack on an ally to promote his own agendas. Class.

It's not even what Khan said - his original statement was "Londoners will see an increased police presence today and over the course of the next few days. There's no reason to be alarmed".