SkyDekker 1,465 #1 May 17, 2017 And the police do nothing. As a matter of fact, they arrest the Americans for being attacked. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/17/erdogans-bodyguards-in-violent-clash-with-protesters-in-washington-dc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 343 #2 May 17, 2017 In all seriousness, if we had done this at our embassy in Turkey, we would have had problems with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The host nation is responsible for the outside security of the foreign missions, and for the security of official visitors. The delegation is going to be here under a diplomatic status. If a demarche was not issued to the Turkish delegation, the State Department should be explaining why.See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus Shut Up & Jump! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #3 May 18, 2017 Police in the nation’s capital say diplomatic immunity won’t keep them from investigating a “brutal attack” on “peaceful protesters” Tuesday by men believed to be bodyguards for visiting Turkish President Recep Erdogan. Four international law experts, three of them former legal advisers at the State Department, tell U.S. News that if police identify the assailants, they may be able to make criminal charges stick, even if the men are on the Turkish government payroll. https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2017-05-17/erdogan-guards-might-not-have-immunity-to-beat-protesters-in-us"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,183 #4 May 18, 2017 Only diplomats have immunity. But for the security men of Turkish nationality they are long gone. This is what is going on in Turkey now. This is the Turkish president that trump "congratulated" on his recently expanded powers. The same president that has dismissed almost 100 judges and almost 100,000 teachers, police officers who refused to submit to his personal loyalty. His personal ideology. Sound like someone else? Trump actually called the Turkish president on April 17 to congratulate him on his "victory" in a contested constitutional referendum, conducted amid an ongoing crackdown on political dissent, which has further solidified Erdogan's near absolute hold on power. He did this even though the referendum may be not only the first step in destroying Turkish democracy by making Erdogan a virtual dictator but was also filled with many irregularities .. Moreover, since coming into office, Trump has not only heaped praise on but also invited several dictators to the White House. In April, he hosted Egyptian President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi at the White House and praised the brutal dictator by saying, "I just want to let everybody know, in case there was any doubt, that we are very much behind President Sisi," because, "he has done a fantastic job in a very difficult situation." This for a ruler who is holding at least 40,000 political prisoners and is responsible for about 1,400 extra-judicial killings in this year alone. Trump has also invited Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte to the White House despite the fact that Duterte's war on drugs has resulted in the extra-judicial killing of at least 7,000 of his fellow citizens. https://www.usnews.com/opinion/world-report/articles/2017-05-16/trump-should-ditch-his-dictator-love-in-meeting-with-turkeys-president Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #5 May 18, 2017 Same thing happened in March 2016. Nothing was done about it and clearly they were invited back. With that history in mind, the police could have been better prepared and put and end to this. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2016/04/04/turkeys-downward-spiral-and-the-scuffles-at-erdogans-brookings-speech/ Attached is how the Dutch dealt with the Turks when they tried to flex their muscle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nolhtairt 0 #6 May 18, 2017 Phil1111Only diplomats have immunity. But for the security men of Turkish nationality they are long gone. This is what is going on in Turkey now. This is the Turkish president that trump "congratulated" on his recently expanded powers. The same president that has dismissed almost 100 judges and almost 100,000 teachers, police officers who refused to submit to his personal loyalty. His personal ideology. Sound like someone else? Trump actually called the Turkish president on April 17 to congratulate him on his "victory" in a contested constitutional referendum, conducted amid an ongoing crackdown on political dissent, which has further solidified Erdogan's near absolute hold on power. He did this even though the referendum may be not only the first step in destroying Turkish democracy by making Erdogan a virtual dictator but was also filled with many irregularities .. While I agree that Trump should refrain from praising brutal dictators or saying he would be honored to meet such and such, as for Erdogan trying to solidify his powers, I can't blame him after that failed coup to oust him. He's trying to make sure it doesn't happen again. Not that I agree with his methods anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niki1 2 #7 May 18, 2017 Your thread tittle is disingenuous. (Did I use that word correctly?) It had nothing to do with the security assholes being muslim. The Kurdish Americans who were protesting may have been muslims also. This was a case of security thugs trying to run off people who were doing what they are allowed to do in this country but not in Turkey. The security thugs aren't used to that sort of thing. Religion had nothing to do with it.Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossilbe before they were done. Louis D Brandeis Where are we going and why are we in this basket? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 343 #8 May 18, 2017 ryoderPolice in the nation’s capital say diplomatic immunity won’t keep them from investigating a “brutal attack” on “peaceful protesters” Tuesday by men believed to be bodyguards for visiting Turkish President Recep Erdogan. Four international law experts, three of them former legal advisers at the State Department, tell U.S. News that if police identify the assailants, they may be able to make criminal charges stick, even if the men are on the Turkish government payroll. https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2017-05-17/erdogan-guards-might-not-have-immunity-to-beat-protesters-in-us But the entire delegation could have been here under diplomatic visas. Usually, the most that can be done to someone in that case (esp if they claim they were reacting to a threat to their principle) is to proclaim them personna non grata (sp?) and expel them from the country. The "might not have immunity" would be if they were here under some other type of visa (official, etc). But a diplomatic visa = diplomatic immunity. Erdogan may decide to turn them over if Turkey is presented with arrest warrants and/or extradition requests (if they have left the country), but considering the fact that Erdogan has been asking the US government for several years to revoke the privilege enjoyed by Fettulah Gulen, and we've refused, I seriously doubt he'll decide to set the example by turning over his security team. I doubt the guys doing the assault were "local hires." Some may be permanently assigned to the embassy here, but again, they'll be here under a diplomatic visa.See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus Shut Up & Jump! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 343 #9 May 18, 2017 Niki1Y. The security thugs aren't used to that sort of thing. Religion had nothing to do with it. The Turkish security thugs are absolutely used to that sort of thing. And this is their usual response.See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus Shut Up & Jump! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #10 May 18, 2017 QuoteYour thread tittle is disingenuous. I wouldn't call it disingenuous. QuoteReligion had nothing to do with it. Yes that was kind of the point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #11 May 18, 2017 Quotebut considering the fact that Erdogan has been asking the US government for several years to revoke the privilege enjoyed by Fettulah Gulen, and we've refused Other than Flynn discussing the option of kidnapping him of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 343 #12 May 18, 2017 SkyDekkerQuotebut considering the fact that Erdogan has been asking the US government for several years to revoke the privilege enjoyed by Fettulah Gulen, and we've refused Other than Flynn discussing the option of kidnapping him of course. On the balance, the official response is not to entertain the demand.See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus Shut Up & Jump! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
