Phil1111 1,182 #51 April 17, 2017 Boeing Co. plans to lay off hundreds of engineers amid slowing aircraft sales, the company announced Monday. The workforce reduction scheduled for June 23 comes after the Chicago-based manufacturer laid off about 1,800 mechanics and engineers earlier this year. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/04/17/boeing-laying-off-hundreds/100573444/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #52 April 18, 2017 Phil1111Boeing Co. plans to lay off hundreds of engineers amid slowing aircraft sales, the company announced Monday. The workforce reduction scheduled for June 23 comes after the Chicago-based manufacturer laid off about 1,800 mechanics and engineers earlier this year. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/04/17/boeing-laying-off-hundreds/100573444/ They were laid off due to slowing sales, something that had been going on for centuries, not because they were replaced by robots. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 617 #53 April 18, 2017 brenthutch ***Boeing Co. plans to lay off hundreds of engineers amid slowing aircraft sales, the company announced Monday. The workforce reduction scheduled for June 23 comes after the Chicago-based manufacturer laid off about 1,800 mechanics and engineers earlier this year. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/04/17/boeing-laying-off-hundreds/100573444/ They were laid off due to slowing sales, something that had been going on for centuries, not because they were replaced by robots. Mmm, not sure about centuries especially in the aviation businessExperienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 617 #54 April 18, 2017 It's interesting to watch the dynamics of the job market and it scares me about my children's long term prospects. I'm busy recruiting for a few roles at the moment and can't find highly skilled labour (design engineers), but the lower skilled roles I get swamped with applicants many with Masters degrees in bizarre subjects that they clearly have no hope of getting a job in. I feel terrible for some of the young school leavers who are applying honestly they have no hope of me employing them in such a competitive market. There are significant business drivers to automate wherever possible and as a result I'm constantly looking at how to avoid hiring. What I can say is that youngsters who plan and have good work ethic will likely get very rich and be highly successful as it seems society has created a vacuum in people willing to take ownership.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,182 #55 April 18, 2017 brenthutch***Boeing Co. plans to lay off hundreds of engineers amid slowing aircraft sales, the company announced Monday. The workforce reduction scheduled for June 23 comes after the Chicago-based manufacturer laid off about 1,800 mechanics and engineers earlier this year. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/04/17/boeing-laying-off-hundreds/100573444/ They were laid off due to slowing sales, something that had been going on for centuries, not because they were replaced by robots. trump's photo stop at Boeing South Carolina received 900 million in subsidies to move that plant there. "Created 3000 "NEW" jobs" "President Donald Trump visited a Boeing aircraft factory in South Carolina on Friday, just days after workers there rejected a bid to join the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers." http://www.voanews.com/a/trump-visit-boeing-plant-where-workers-rejected-union/3727947.html So if one state outbids an existing union shop fly-fly-away go the jobs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lawndarter 3 #56 April 18, 2017 Phil1111******Boeing Co. plans to lay off hundreds of engineers amid slowing aircraft sales, the company announced Monday. The workforce reduction scheduled for June 23 comes after the Chicago-based manufacturer laid off about 1,800 mechanics and engineers earlier this year. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/04/17/boeing-laying-off-hundreds/100573444/ They were laid off due to slowing sales, something that had been going on for centuries, not because they were replaced by robots. trump's photo stop at Boeing South Carolina received 900 million in subsidies to move that plant there. "Created 3000 "NEW" jobs" "President Donald Trump visited a Boeing aircraft factory in South Carolina on Friday, just days after workers there rejected a bid to join the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers." http://www.voanews.com/a/trump-visit-boeing-plant-where-workers-rejected-union/3727947.html So if one state outbids an existing union shop fly-fly-away go the jobs. A state paying $300,000 per job seems like good economics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,182 #57 April 18, 2017 Lawndarter*********Boeing Co. plans to lay off hundreds of engineers amid slowing aircraft sales, the company announced Monday. The workforce reduction scheduled for June 23 comes after the Chicago-based manufacturer laid off about 1,800 mechanics and engineers earlier this year. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/04/17/boeing-laying-off-hundreds/100573444/ They were laid off due to slowing sales, something that had been going on for centuries, not because they were replaced by robots. trump's photo stop at Boeing South Carolina received 900 million in subsidies to move that plant there. "Created 3000 "NEW" jobs" "President Donald Trump visited a Boeing aircraft factory in South Carolina on Friday, just days after workers there rejected a bid to join the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers." http://www.voanews.com/a/trump-visit-boeing-plant-where-workers-rejected-union/3727947.html So if one state outbids an existing union shop fly-fly-away go the jobs. A state paying $300,000 per job seems like good economics. Subsidizing aircraft manufacturing is a worldwide national pastime. https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/bombardier-and-canadas-corporate-welfare-trap Bombardier lost: "In mid-January, Bombardier announced a “pause” for an “indeterminate period” in the Learjet 85 program, interpreted by some market analysts as permanently shelving the project. In light of Montreal’s taking a pre-tax special $1.4 billion write down that represents nearly 90 percent of development costs, as well as announcing a cut of 1,000 jobs at company facilities in Wichita, Kan., and Queretaro, Mexico, it appears the most ambitious Lear model ever is lapsing into a deep coma." http://aviationweek.com/bca/bombardier-learjet-85 In their failed attempt to build a carbon Learjet. The new wing on the Global 7000 was too heavy and now has to be redesigned and rebuilt. "Bombardier launched a costly redesign of the Global 7000 wing in 2015 to reduce the structural weight and not to alter its aerodynamic profile, chief executive Alain Bellemare has disclosed." https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/weight-reduction-cited-for-global-7000-wing-redesign-434265/ Which more than eats up the money from the Province of Quebec and the Gov. Canada. that it just received. Oh Airbus, Awash in subsidies from just about every EU country that it operates in. "EU rapped by WTO for $10bn a year Airbus subsidies" http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37444780 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #58 April 18, 2017 >They were laid off due to slowing sales, something that had been going on for >centuries, not because they were replaced by robots. Many of them were laid off due to increased automation. The 777X wing production line is more automated than the wing of the older 777 Classic; the 737 MAX assembly line includes more automation than the 737 NG, an older version. And the layoffs will likely continue. Overall Boeing is considerably less automated than Airbus, their biggest competitor - which means that Airbus will see more sales due to lower prices unless they can reduce labor costs. Boeing has been trying to hold onto jobs partly because Washington State has been offering tax breaks in return for Boeing job guarantees. But as this layoff shows, that's not going to work. As the original post mentions, this problem isn't confined to Boeing. https://leehamnews.com/2016/04/04/boeings-8000-employee-reduction-isnt-enough Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #59 April 19, 2017 billvon>They were laid off due to slowing sales, something that had been going on for >centuries, not because they were replaced by robots. And the layoffs will likely continue. Overall Boeing is considerably less automated than Airbus, their biggest competitor - which means that Airbus will see more sales due to lower prices unless they can reduce labor costs. So you would agree with me that a move from a high labor cost environment (Washington) to a lower labor cost environment (South Carolina) is necessary to remain competitive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #60 April 19, 2017 >So you would agree with me that a move from a high labor cost environment >(Washington) to a lower labor cost environment (South Carolina) is necessary to >remain competitive. Or more automation. Or (more likely) a move of some manufacturing to India or China, as Airbus has done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites