#tregret

[Phil1111 1,149]

41 minutes ago, billvon said:

To paraphrase the immortal Otter:

You fucked up!  You trusted Trump.  Hey, just make the best of it.

Trump’s Tax Promise of Trillions Back to U.S. Fails to Materialize

It’s official: The Trump tax cuts were a bust

President Trump proclaimed:

“It’ll be fantastic for the middle-income people and for jobs, most of all ... I think we could go to 4%, 5% or even 6% [GDP growth], ultimately. We are back. We are really going to start to rock.”...

The numbers couldn’t be clearer: Corporations, big shareholders and top corporate executives reap the lion’s share of the gains from the 2017 tax cut, which should be renamed the Shareholder and CEO Enrichment Act of 2017. It didn’t boost economic growth that much, didn’t start a capital spending boom or U.S. manufacturing renaissance, didn’t bring overseas profits back home, and might have led to modest job growth but little discernible wage increases. And we’ll all be stuck with the bill for a long, long time. "

For working Americans the net benefit was 1.1 percent over the entire year:

"Real average hourly earnings increased 1.1 percent, seasonally adjusted, from December 2017 to December 2018. The change in real average hourly earnings combined with no change in the average workweek resulted in a 1.2-percent increase in real average weekly earnings over this period."

Real Earnings in December 2018 - Bureau of Labor Statistics

More trump lies to follow in a couple hours. President Putin is studying his copy of tonight's speech right now. "Da, da, da"

 

Edited February 5, 2019 by Phil1111

[gowlerk 2,260]

1 hour ago, normiss said:

#TaxStory  is a rather interesting trending hashtag on Twitter.

Seems to be a lot of #Tregret regarding taxes as the tax "cut" starts being realized and felt by hard working, tax paying, Americans.

BOHICA

There is nothing quite like an unexpected tax bill to make people good and angry. Yes, the average person will pay less in income taxes as the federal deficit balloons. But the real story of those Ryan/McConnell tax cuts, wrongly attributed to Trump, is a huge shifting of the tax burden away from the wealthy and on to the middle class. As well as a shift from red states to blue states.

[kallend 2,117]

Didn't Trump promise  not only to eliminate the deficit, but pay off  the debt too?

I'm sure he did:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/12/trump-vowed-eliminate-debt-years-hes-track-leave-it-least-percent-higher/?

But he seems to be going in the wrong direction.
https://thehill.com/policy/finance/438272-us-deficit-soars-to-691-billion-expected-to-top-1-trillion-this-year?fbclid=IwAR3QW7pfhWMHjGRDuaKE9R0RlT68s7DK3H0ia1YbI_3D_RhEZjnntuclT-0

 

I wonder how Billy V. and Marc feel about this.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

They'll call it 'fake news'

Or blame Obama. 

Or (most likely) just ignore it.

[nigel99 586]

11 hours ago, kallend said:

Didn't Trump promise  not only to eliminate the deficit, but pay off  the debt too?

I'm sure he did:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/12/trump-vowed-eliminate-debt-years-hes-track-leave-it-least-percent-higher/?

But he seems to be going in the wrong direction.
https://thehill.com/policy/finance/438272-us-deficit-soars-to-691-billion-expected-to-top-1-trillion-this-year?fbclid=IwAR3QW7pfhWMHjGRDuaKE9R0RlT68s7DK3H0ia1YbI_3D_RhEZjnntuclT-0

 

I wonder how Billy V. and Marc feel about this.

Well if you manage to declare bankruptcy then the debt is gone

So just keep spending! It’s win win

[turtlespeed 226]

And for the other side of the story:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/07/18/these-obama-voters-snubbed-hillary-clinton-and-they-dont-regret-what-they-did/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e0e548b5a391

[billvon 3,090]

From RCP comes #tregret:

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CNN's Alisyn Camerota speaks with a group of Trump voters to discuss their views on family separations and the president's perceived views on race. One man who regrets voting for Trump said, "in my mind, the way I look at him now, I think he's a monster, I think he's a bigot, I think that he's doing a lot of things to ruin peoples' lives, he is moving this country in the wrong direction and it is a terrifying time for me."

He said in particular, he objected to the "family separation" and had come to that conclusion after seeing "the children in cages."

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[turtlespeed 226]

On 4/12/2019 at 9:51 PM, billvon said:

From RCP comes #tregret:

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CNN's Alisyn Camerota speaks with a group of Trump voters to discuss their views on family separations and the president's perceived views on race. One man who regrets voting for Trump said, "in my mind, the way I look at him now, I think he's a monster, I think he's a bigot, I think that he's doing a lot of things to ruin peoples' lives, he is moving this country in the wrong direction and it is a terrifying time for me."

He said in particular, he objected to the "family separation" and had come to that conclusion after seeing "the children in cages."

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Then shouldn't he be happier that they are being shown the way to a sanctuary city?

[yobnoc 142]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

Then shouldn't he be happier that they are being shown the way to a sanctuary city?

Here's the thing: You can't have it both ways.  Either they are dangerous and a threat to society and we must keep them out by any means (i.e. emergency funding for Trump's hate monument) because of the danger they pose, and Trump is doing this as an illegal form of political retribution against his perceived enemies (never mind that there are 5 states that employ sanctuary policies toward aliens, of which an estimated 30-40% of the citizens are supporters of this administration), ORRRR they really aren't that dangerous and he's still only using the issue as a political wedge to try to jam through his hate monument. 

Even if he's right about the aliens...think about it this way: Trump has not a second thought about endangering Americans to score political points.  That should worry all of us.

[turtlespeed 226]

5 hours ago, yobnoc said:

Here's the thing: You can't have it both ways.  Either they are dangerous and a threat to society and we must keep them out by any means (i.e. emergency funding for Trump's hate monument) because of the danger they pose, and Trump is doing this as an illegal form of political retribution against his perceived enemies (never mind that there are 5 states that employ sanctuary policies toward aliens, of which an estimated 30-40% of the citizens are supporters of this administration), ORRRR they really aren't that dangerous and he's still only using the issue as a political wedge to try to jam through his hate monument. 

Even if he's right about the aliens...think about it this way: Trump has not a second thought about endangering Americans to score political points.  That should worry all of us.

Or you could look at it like:  This is what you have asked for - be careful what you ask for.

Sometimes you have to let someone see just how bad an idea they have really is.

[wmw999 2,560]

My sanctuary city and area have an active refugee resettlement program. Right now it’s focused on Africa and the Middle East; we also have quite a few from Puerto Rico after the hurricane. 

Maybe people in the video were asked about housing refugees in their homes (my parents sponsored two families in their home, 20 years apart), but that’s not how it usually works.  Here one of the things each family’s support circle does is find a place for them before they arrive. 

Wendy P. 

[yobnoc 142]

15 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Or you could look at it like:  This is what you have asked for - be careful what you ask for.

Sometimes you have to let someone see just how bad an idea they have really is.

I wrote a whole long reply but I deleted it all, because it's not worth it.

[yobnoc 142]

8 hours ago, wmw999 said:

My sanctuary city and area have an active refugee resettlement program. Right now it’s focused on Africa and the Middle East; we also have quite a few from Puerto Rico after the hurricane. 

Maybe people in the video were asked about housing refugees in their homes (my parents sponsored two families in their home, 20 years apart), but that’s not how it usually works.  Here one of the things each family’s support circle does is find a place for them before they arrive. 

Wendy P. 

I think most Trump supporters don't understand what "Sanctuary Laws" actually are.  All the other stuff you're talking about: housing, food, humanitarian projects; those have nothing to do with sanctuary laws.  The basis of Sanctuary laws is to assist law enforcement.  People are less likely to report a crime against them or to act as a witness if they have to worry about deportation.  Sanctuary laws prevent someone from being detained and deported due to alien status if they are a witness to or victim of a crime.  This is a good thing, unless you're in favor of alien populations being a vulnerable target for violent crimes.

[yobnoc 142]

15 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Or you could look at it like:  This is what you have asked for - be careful what you ask for.

Sometimes you have to let someone see just how bad an idea they have really is.

No.  You know what?  I changed my mind.  He's not f**king Joffrey, ok?  If the president makes a decision that unnecessarily puts American citizens in danger, that is the stuff of dictatorships and tyrants.  If he believes that's what he's doing, then don't ever claim he's some patriot.

 

Come on, cholesterol...do your work already.

[Stumpy 284]

32 minutes ago, yobnoc said:

I think most Trump supporters don't understand what "Sanctuary Laws" actually are

I think you could swap "Sanctuary Laws" with just about any pressing issue right now.

[turtlespeed 226]

On 4/16/2019 at 2:51 PM, Stumpy said:

I think you could swap "Sanctuary Laws" with just about any pressing issue right now.

That works extremely well with those that directly oppose trump as well.

[turtlespeed 226]

On 4/16/2019 at 2:21 PM, yobnoc said:

No.  You know what?  I changed my mind.  He's not f**king Joffrey, ok?  If the president makes a decision that unnecessarily puts American citizens in danger, that is the stuff of dictatorships and tyrants.  If he believes that's what he's doing, then don't ever claim he's some patriot.

 

Come on, cholesterol...do your work already.

Don't get all worked up - 

And PLEASE don't wish yourself cholesterol induced harm.

 

I posted a long reply just a few minutes ago in a different thread.

 

BTW - WTF is King Joffrey?

[yobnoc 142]

18 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Don't get all worked up - 

And PLEASE don't wish yourself cholesterol induced harm.

 

I posted a long reply just a few minutes ago in a different thread.

 

BTW - WTF is King Joffrey?

GoT reference. And I’m a healthy 31 yo man. Clearly, I’m wishing a heart attack on the president*. I’m pretty sure that hoping for a somewhat common health calamity on the president won’t earn me a visit from the Secret Service. I don’t believe in karma, btw and I’m fully at peace with wishing a speedy demise to another human, though in no way am I threatening any action on my part or the part of any other individual, either directly, indirectly, or stochastically on carrying out any violent act against any member of our government, including the president*. I think I covered my legal bases there.

[turtlespeed 226]

42 minutes ago, yobnoc said:

GoT reference. And I’m a healthy 31 yo man. Clearly, I’m wishing a heart attack on the president*. I’m pretty sure that hoping for a somewhat common health calamity on the president won’t earn me a visit from the Secret Service. I don’t believe in karma, btw and I’m fully at peace with wishing a speedy demise to another human, though in no way am I threatening any action on my part or the part of any other individual, either directly, indirectly, or stochastically on carrying out any violent act against any member of our government, including the president*. I think I covered my legal bases there.

Googled it - 

Read the books - never watched the series.

Didn't make the connection.

I don't think I have ever truly, and seriously "Hoped" for another human to die of a health calamity.

Joked about it - Maybe - probably - pretty sure - but not seriously.

That's a little disturbing.

 

ETA: Not that your hoping is disturbing - It's disturbing that I never actually seriously felt that way.

I feel like I missed out on so much.

Edited April 19, 2019 by turtlespeed
Clarification -

[billvon 3,090]

State Representative Andy McKean is really feeling the #tregret - so much that he has abandoned the republican party and moving to the democratic party.  His announcement:

“I found myself increasingly uncomfortable with the stance of my party on the vast majority of high profiles issues and often sympathetic with concerns raised by the minority caucus. . .With the 2020 presidential election looming on the horizon, I feel, as a Republican, that I need to be able to support the standard bearer of our party. Unfortunately, that is something I’m unable to do.  [Trump] sets, in my opinion, a poor example for the nation and particularly for our children by personally insulting, often in a crude and juvenile fashion, those who disagree with him, being a bully at a time when we’re attempting to discourage bullying, his frequent disregard for the truth, and his willingness to ridicule or marginalize people for their appearances, ethnicity, or disability.  I believe that his actions have coarsened political discourse, have resulted in unprecedented divisiveness, and have created an atmosphere that is a breeding ground for hateful rhetoric and actions. Some would excuse this behavior as telling it like it is and the new normal. If this is the new normal, I want no part of it.”

Coarsened political discourse?  Unprecedented divisiveness?  Create hateful rhetoric and actions?  But that's what the die hard Trump supporters WANT!