Phil1111 1,160 #126 April 3, 2018 jakee ******Coal miners feel some #tregret as the government prevents radiologists from looking at X-rays of black lung disease for purposes of compensation claims. Who is left to make a decision on whether they have a case for compensation against the coal companies? The pulmonologists who work for coal companies. (Does it really count as #tregret after the guy dies, though?) For those who have not seen the story: https://www.npr.org/2018/03/31/598484688/kentucky-lawmakers-limit-black-lung-claims-reviews-despite-epidemic "In an interview with NPR, Koenig said he "relied on the expertise of those who understand the issue — the industry, coal companies and attorneys."" Holy fuck. Let's hire the foxes to guard the hen house while we're at itAs if the workers themselves know nothing about the equation. Which begs the questions. Should one feel sympathy for coal country which voted for trump? Obviously there are those that didn't vote trump. Those disposable workers who health and welfare is but oil for the coal industry machinery. Those that can be cast aside in a little shack down a side road. Deep in Appalachia country to die as a sacrifice to coal profits and well paying jobs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,457 #127 April 3, 2018 Hi Phil, Quote Should one feel sympathy for coal country which voted for trump? Yes, I do. However, if you lay down with dogs you will get fleas. They made their choice, Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #128 April 3, 2018 JerryBaumchen Hi Phil, Quote Should one feel sympathy for coal country which voted for trump? Yes, I do. However, if you lay down with dogs you will get fleas. They made their choice, Jerry Baumchen They've been politically manipulated for many many years to vote for their own misfortune."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 379 #129 April 4, 2018 JerryBaumchen Hi Phil, Quote Should one feel sympathy for coal country which voted for trump? Yes, I do. However, if you lay down with dogs you will get fleas. They made their choice, Jerry BaumchenThat is true. However, I also blame Democrats for not offering them a better alternative. The very least Democrats could have done was to acknowledge the very real economic issues at play, and offer up some plan of action. When "I'll turn the clock back 50 years" is all that is on the table, that is what desperate people will take. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #130 April 4, 2018 GeorgiaDon However, I also blame Democrats for not offering them a better alternative. I would argue that the Democrats nominated the best candidate of either party in decades.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,269 #131 April 4, 2018 jcd11235 ***However, I also blame Democrats for not offering them a better alternative. I would argue that the Democrats nominated the best candidate of either party in decades. Which is why so much effort was expended on making people hate and fear her. She would have been very effective at moving things forward. Against those who want to move backwards.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 379 #132 April 4, 2018 jcd11235 ***However, I also blame Democrats for not offering them a better alternative. I would argue that the Democrats nominated the best candidate of either party in decades.I would argue that the Democrats nominated the most qualified candidate in decades. Since that is what matters to me, I voted for her. However the "best" candidate could be thought of as an optimal combination of qualified and electable. As an ivory tower elitist who believes things like being knowledgeable and experienced and rational and intelligent are actually good qualities, I underestimated the power of the Republican smoke and innuendo campaign. It seemed inconceivable to me that people would fall for an obvious racist misogynist who was offering shit on a plate and telling people it was chocolate mousse. Anyway, I can see I was not clear about what I meant by "a better alternative". I meant "a better economic plan", as in "an alternative to turning the clock back 50 years". If the Democrats had an economic plan they didn't do much to promote it. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #133 April 4, 2018 GeorgiaDon ******However, I also blame Democrats for not offering them a better alternative. I would argue that the Democrats nominated the best candidate of either party in decades.I would argue that the Democrats nominated the most qualified candidate in decades. That's a fair distinction. GeorgiaDon If the Democrats had an economic plan they didn't do much to promote it. The plans were there, for anyone to read. Clinton offered detailed plans for just about everything. She even had plans for an autism initiative.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #134 April 4, 2018 jcd11235 *********However, I also blame Democrats for not offering them a better alternative. I would argue that the Democrats nominated the best candidate of either party in decades.I would argue that the Democrats nominated the most qualified candidate in decades. That's a fair distinction. GeorgiaDon If the Democrats had an economic plan they didn't do much to promote it. The plans were there, for anyone to read. Clinton offered detailed plans for just about everything. She even had plans for an autism initiative. The economy (as a whole) was probably in the best shape it's been in a long time. Not the "dot com" bubble of the 90s, not the real estate bubble of the 00s. The Ds failed miserably in promoting that fact and (rightfully) claiming most of the credit for it. The Rs (along with a lot of help from the Right Wing Blogosphere and the Russians) did an amazing job of feeding the fear, hatred and bigotry of the ignorant and disaffected."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 379 #135 April 4, 2018 jcd11235 *********However, I also blame Democrats for not offering them a better alternative. I would argue that the Democrats nominated the best candidate of either party in decades.I would argue that the Democrats nominated the most qualified candidate in decades. That's a fair distinction. GeorgiaDon If the Democrats had an economic plan they didn't do much to promote it. The plans were there, for anyone to read. Clinton offered detailed plans for just about everything. She even had plans for an autism initiative.Fair enough. In that case I would question the assumption that the electorate is engaged enough to bother to read. Clearly a significant portion of the electorate either can't read/comprehend anything longer than a twitter rant, or they can but they don't care enough to do so. I think it would be interesting to have "blind auditions" for the presidency (kind of like the auditions on "The Voice"). Each candidate can write out (or have someone ghost-write) their policies. Then someone (the same person for all the candidates) reads those policies, using the same tone of voice. The same approach could be used for questions/answers. After that, people vote for the candidate who best represents their beliefs and ideas, without knowing anything about what that person looks like or sounds like. No gender bias, no latent racism, just ideas. It could never work of course, we'd know who the candidates were based on their resume' (Clinton was Secretary of State for instance). But it would be nice to be able to get past the BS/salesmanship/charisma aspect and focus on competence. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #136 April 4, 2018 GeorgiaDon In that case I would question the assumption that the electorate is engaged enough to bother to read. Clearly a significant portion of the electorate either can't read/comprehend anything longer than a twitter rant, or they can but they don't care enough to do so. I think the Dems drastically overestimated the proportion of Americans who were both capable of critical thought and interested enough to think critically about the issues and the candidates.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,100 #137 April 4, 2018 A few more #tregretters from Twitter: Just an American: #sessions is a great man, quit trashing your own cabinet - without Sessions you would not have been elected. I regret voting for you,. you are #fakemedia #theswamp and all hype and ego. Dante Falzone: I regret ever voting for you. I held on and held on for some stupid reason, but you are literally indefensible. Holy shit, PLEASE people, let's not have this guy I'm for a full 8 years. Sarah Scram: Do you POTUS honestly think the for one minute, I believe you? Just an fyi, I did vote for you. Something I regret. LJGoose55: Don't agree with his way of life personally but he is very much entitled to his protest and his way of life. I say good for you #AdamRippon! Makes me realize why I regret voting for #trump and being brainwashed by #FoxNews ! #DumpTrump #LGBT CK: When I saw his morality and his stupidity in his tweets and comments, such continuing to say the election was rigged when HE won and using "no collusion" 10 times in one speech, when NO ONE Mueller and his team have not said that or anything else. I regret voting for him!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #138 April 4, 2018 rushmc Lol At the rate you swallow and repost fake news, you got to wonder about this one too! Never saw your explanation as to how someone saying they don't like Trump anymore is fake news."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob_Church 7 #139 April 4, 2018 Not liking Trump is fine, join the gang, but what worries me is that people seem determined to convince themselves that HRC is a good choice for the Democratic candidate and we're going to end up with four more years of Trump. I don't like that idea at all. People have somehow convinced themselves that HRC is the alternative to Trump in the Whitehouse instead of being the reason that Trump is in the Whitehouse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob_Church 7 #140 April 4, 2018 I think the worst thing about Trump being re-elected would be the four more years of smug "he's only there because other people aren't as smart as me." It's like listening to children explain why Star Wars is better than Star Trek. And the stuff about her record number of votes. She was running against Donald Trump. Think about that. Donald Trump. It was HRC or Trump and now, it's still hard to even say, Donald Trump is President. Get it through your heads. She ran in the Special Olympics and STILL lost. Find a candidate that can beat Trump, which is pretty much anyone besides HRC, or get used to the idea of four more years of Trump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,269 #141 April 4, 2018 Bob_Church Not liking Trump is fine, join the gang, but what worries me is that people seem determined to convince themselves that HRC is a good choice for the Democratic candidate and we're going to end up with four more years of Trump. I don't like that idea at all. People have somehow convinced themselves that HRC is the alternative to Trump in the Whitehouse instead of being the reason that Trump is in the Whitehouse. Don't be worried about HRC. She is not going to run again, she is finished. Although she would be a very good president, she has always been a lousy politician. A good pol needs to be someone that people instantly take a liking to for some reason. Like her husband was. Someone people can relate to. Hilary never had that charm, sometimes called charisma.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,457 #142 April 4, 2018 Hi Bob, Quote People have somehow convinced themselves that HRC is the alternative to Trump in the Whitehouse instead of being the reason that Trump is in the Whitehouse. Reality says that is not true. It was simply old, uneducated, white people who put Trump in office; along with the out-dated Electoral College. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #143 April 5, 2018 JerryBaumchen Hi Bob, Quote People have somehow convinced themselves that HRC is the alternative to Trump in the Whitehouse instead of being the reason that Trump is in the Whitehouse. Reality says that is not true. It was simply old, uneducated, white people who put Trump in office; along with the out-dated Electoral College. Jerry Baumchen Hi Jerry, It was a lot more complicated than that. The old white uneducated bigots were a big part of it. The EC was another. HRC's unlikeability was another. The behavior by HRC and the DNC was yet another. The smear campaign using Benghazi and the emails was yet another. Combine that with the Russian involvement. The list of factors is quite long. It was an almost "perfect storm" of events. Take away 2 or 3 of them and Trump loses."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob_Church 7 #144 April 5, 2018 JerryBaumchen Hi Bob, Quote People have somehow convinced themselves that HRC is the alternative to Trump in the Whitehouse instead of being the reason that Trump is in the Whitehouse. Reality says that is not true. It was simply old, uneducated, white people who put Trump in office; along with the out-dated Electoral College. Jerry Baumchen Reality is that 64 million Americans held their nose and voted for Trump because the alternative was HRC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob_Church 7 #145 April 5, 2018 JerryBaumchen Hi Bob, Quote People have somehow convinced themselves that HRC is the alternative to Trump in the Whitehouse instead of being the reason that Trump is in the Whitehouse. Reality says that is not true. It was simply old, uneducated, white people who put Trump in office; along with the out-dated Electoral College. Jerry Baumchen Something that really surprised me is that in the run up to the election when OU and Athens did those standard quickie interviews where you'd see five or six photos as the people were asked questions over and over again at least half of the college students would say they were voting for Trump or were undecided. These are students at a liberal arts university. The polling showed that nearly half of OU students were saying that they were going to vote Trump. And those are just the ones who admitted it. I never would have believed it but it came up that way time after time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob_Church 7 #146 April 5, 2018 I can't find them online but I'll try to get over to the Athens News and find some of the articles leading up to the elections where they polled OU students and found that about 2/5ths of them were planning on voting Trump, and then the results out of the students precinct showing those number holding up when they voted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #147 April 5, 2018 wolfriverjoe The smear campaign using Benghazi and the emails was yet another. Are you referring to the nearly continual smear campaign that goes back to 1992 or earlier?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,457 #148 April 5, 2018 Hi Bob, Quote Reality is that 64 million Americans held their nose I doubt it. Elsewhere on here you will find where there are about 35% of the Trump voters who will believe in him; even it he walks onto 5th Avenue & shoots someone. They do not hold their noses, he is their man. Of course, this thread ( #tregret ) is about those that wish they never had voted for Trump. C'est la vie, Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob_Church 7 #149 April 5, 2018 JerryBaumchen Hi Bob, Quote Reality is that 64 million Americans held their nose I doubt it. Elsewhere on here you will find where there are about 35% of the Trump voters who will believe in him; even it he walks onto 5th Avenue & shoots someone. They do not hold their noses, he is their man. Of course, this thread ( #tregret ) is about those that wish they never had voted for Trump. C'est la vie, Jerry Baumchen I think 35 was stated but was it ever backed up? That's how ULs start. And I'm not confident that regret for Trump would translate to votes for Clinton. But seriously, how did the choice for Democrat contender somehow get locked down to HRC and Saunders? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #150 April 5, 2018 Bob_Church Not liking Trump is fine, join the gang, but what worries me is that people seem determined to convince themselves that HRC is a good choice for the Democratic candidate and we're going to end up with four more years of Trump. I don't like that idea at all. People have somehow convinced themselves that HRC is the alternative to Trump in the Whitehouse instead of being the reason that Trump is in the Whitehouse. I agree. HRC was an awful candidate. Better than Trump but that's all. I wish people would just let her die (figuratively, of course). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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