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The big problem is that career politicians would rather been seen to be passing laws than doing nothing, even if those laws SUCK or are poorly thought out.

Don't be surprised if this gets passed by the Senate simply because they've been stating that they'll repeal Obamacare. They'll then tout it as 'mission successful' to their faithful.

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Don't be surprised if this gets passed by the Senate simply because they've been stating that they'll repeal Obamacare. They'll then tout it as 'mission successful' to their faithful.

I have a feeling there are a lot of democrats hoping for this. Once it's passed, every bad thing that happens in healthcare (and from all indications, there will be a lot of very bad things that happen) will be owned by the GOP.

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Be very skeptical of Senators with "concerns" voting no.
It could just be a prelude to a deal.

Yep. Throw a little pork their way and watch them reconsider.

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5th GOP Senator gives tax cut....err..."healthcare bill" a thumbs-down:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/dean-heller-becomes-fifth-gop-senator-oppose-health-care-bill-n776091

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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Good summary of the new law compared to Obamacare from healthinsurance.org:

Review time:
Obamacare 35 weeks
Trumpcare 1 week

Hours of open debate:
Obamacare 169
Trumpcare 20

Amendments accepted from other party:
Obamacare 160
Trumpcare 0

Bipartisan informational meetings on the bill:
Obamacare 13
Trumpcare 0

Bipartisan roundtables on the bill:
Obamcare 14
Trumpcare 0

Meetings for negotiations over the bill:
Obamcare 53
Trumpcare 0

And what does the GOP say about debate on healthcare bills?

"Congress Should Not Draft The Health Care Bill In Secret, All Conference Committee Meetings Should Be Open To The Public." - Vern Buchanan

"It's simply wrong for legislation that'll affect 100% of the American people to be negotiated behind closed doors." - Mike Pence

"If you rush this thing through before anybody even knows what it is, that's not good democracy." - Paul Ryan

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CBO analysis:

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare-idUSKBN19H1NZ

Dooh Nibor (aka McConnell) robs the poor to give to the rich.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[billvon 3,085]

Quick summary:

14 million more uninsured by 2018
24 million more uninsured by 2024

21 year old healthy people will pay slightly less. 40 year old healthy people will pay a little more. Older people will pay a lot more. A 64-year-old making $26,500 a year that pays $1700 now would be paying $14600 under the new law.

People ages 50 to 64 who are below 200 percent of the poverty level would go from 12% to 30% uninsured.

It will cost more for the first two years, then cost less as time goes on. Best case is that it cuts the deficit by about 5%. ($587 to $544 billion.)

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Oh, about all those savings from that plan? A neophyte student of economics might think "hey, we can reduce the deficit a bit!" But of course that's not the plan. Those savings in the plan? Much of it is going right back into political pork.

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Republicans eye billions in side deals to win Obamacare repeal votes

The White House and Senate GOP leaders have nearly $200 billion in savings to divvy up among senators’ priorities to secure votes for the imperiled bill.

By Josh Dawsey and Burgess Everett
POLITICO
06/26/2017

White House and Capitol Hill officials are exploring potential deals to divvy up billions of dollars to individual senators’ priorities in a wide-ranging bid to secure votes for the imperiled GOP health care bill.

A Congressional Budget Office score that projected 22 million fewer Americans would have insurance under the plan sent some members fleeing Monday and left the bill in jeopardy of failing to have enough votes to even be called to the Senate floor this week.

But Republicans in the White House and in Congress were pleasantly surprised that the bill included more savings than they expected — and are trying to figure out if they can dole it out for votes.
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So less health care for Americans and more pork for Republican senators! A right winger's dream bill.

[ryoder 1,590]

Vote delayed until. after July 4th recess: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/us/politics/republicans-struggle-to-marshal-votes-for-health-care-bill.html

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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New study shows that change to Trumpcare will result in 26,800 additional deaths a year.
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Health Care Cuts Will Increase Odds Of Dying For The Uninsured, Medical Review Predicts

For every 1 million people who lose health insurance, about 1,300 people nationwide could die early, according to an Annals of Internal Medicine review.

Dan Vergano
BuzzFeed News Reporter
Posted on June 26, 2017, at 2:01 p.m.

About 28,600 more people could die every year in the US if a proposed Senate health care bill becomes law, suggests a review of medical studies released on Monday.

“Being uninsured can be lethal,” review author Steffie Woolhandler of City University of New York told BuzzFeed News.

. . .

In reality, people without health insurance face odds ranging from 3% to 29% higher of dying prematurely compared to someone who has health insurance, concludes the Annals of Internal Medicine review. Taking the midpoint of those odds as a benchmark, Woolhandler suggested that about 1,300 people a year die prematurely every year in the US for every 1 million people who lose health insurance.

Obamacare, which added about 20 million people to the ranks of the insured, likely preserved lives at that same rate, she said.

“This review is sensible and, I think, comes to the right conclusion: health insurance reduces mortality,” health economist Andrew Goodman-Bacon of Vanderbilt University told BuzzFeed News by email. But he cautioned against drawing exact numbers from mortality estimates, because different states will changes rules for access to Medicaid in different ways, and premium increases will similarly vary.

“Research on this finds that poorer people — who face more risk factors and use different amounts and types of medical care — seem to benefit the most [from gaining health insurance],” he added.

In the review, Woolhandler and her colleague David Himmelstein of Harvard Medical School combined 51 studies on the health effects of losing health insurance conducted since 2002, the year a landmark Institute of Medicine report found about 18,000 excess deaths a year due to people lacking health insurance, largely among cancer patients.
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https://www.buzzfeed.com/danvergano/senate-healthcare-bill-might-mean-28600-more-deaths-a-year?bftwnews&utm_term=.mpmOEZl214#.sk35Gv6BWQ

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ryoder

Vote delayed until. after July 4th recess: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/us/politics/republicans-struggle-to-marshal-votes-for-health-care-bill.html

First real sign that perhaps this POS anti-social attempt deny expensive healthcare to the most vulnerable of Americans will die.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/06/27/mike-lee-5th-gop-senator-against-health-bill-debate

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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>First real sign that perhaps this POS anti-social attempt deny expensive healthcare
>to the most vulnerable of Americans will die.

I doubt it. They have hundreds of billions of dollars of pork to dole out; enough to make any GOP senator overcome any ethical objections to the plan.

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billvon

>First real sign that perhaps this POS anti-social attempt deny expensive healthcare
>to the most vulnerable of Americans will die.

I doubt it. They have hundreds of billions of dollars of pork to dole out; enough to make any GOP senator overcome any ethical objections to the plan.

And that may happen. I'm guessing there are other Senators who have not spoken out publicly but have privately put out discouraging words. It's very hard to face voters after making health insurance for sick people either very expensive or out of the question. And Senators represent States. Capping Medicaid is really off loading the burden to the States. Forcing them to make unpopular decisions.

But still, the allure of being able to finally say the ACA has been killed is very strong on the right.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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gowlerk

***>First real sign that perhaps this POS anti-social attempt deny expensive healthcare
>to the most vulnerable of Americans will die.

I doubt it. They have hundreds of billions of dollars of pork to dole out; enough to make any GOP senator overcome any ethical objections to the plan.

And that may happen. I'm guessing there are other Senators who have not spoken out publicly but have privately put out discouraging words. It's very hard to face voters after making health insurance for sick people either very expensive or out of the question. And Senators represent States. Capping Medicaid is really off loading the burden to the States. Forcing them to make unpopular decisions.

But still, the allure of being able to finally say the ACA has been killed is very strong on the right.

Don't be so sure. While Trump claimed he was going to change how Washington was run, there are still some very entrenched institutions.

One of them is AARP. They have a lot of clout, because they have a lot of members who vote. Get them mad and whoever opposes them may well not be in office after the next election. Somewhat similar to the NRA.

And the AARP does not like the AHA.

Edit for typo and format error.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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Don't be so sure.

Thanks. I am sure of nothing. I really don't know how this will turn out. But I'm hoping for you!

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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>But still, the allure of being able to finally say the ACA has been killed is very
>strong on the right.

And the alternative is something that the GOP is absolutely terrified of - bipartisanship.

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McConnell warns Trump, GOP on health bill failure

If Obamacare repeal fails in the Senate, the GOP might be forced to compromise with Democrats.

By Burgess Everett , Josh Dawsey and Jennifer Haberkorn

06/27/2017 10:11 AM EDT
Politico

Mitch McConnell is delivering an urgent warning to staffers, Republican senators and even the president himself: If Obamacare repeal fails this week, the GOP will lose all leverage and be forced to work with Chuck Schumer.
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To which Trump and Ryan will be telling their party - 'If this fails it will be YOUR fault and the democrats will win. VOTE FOR IT. this isn't a suggestion.'

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If Obamacare repeal fails in the Senate, the GOP might be forced to compromise with Democrats.

In reality that would be hard to imagine. It would involve "fixing" Obamacare. Which basically would mean putting more money into it and acknowledging that it is now permanent. Can they somehow frame that as a win?

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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If Obamacare repeal fails in the Senate, the GOP might be forced to compromise with Democrats.

In reality that would be hard to imagine. It would involve "fixing" Obamacare. Which basically would mean putting more money into it and acknowledging that it is now permanent. Can they somehow frame that as a win?

I've been saying all along they should just copy the text of the ACA, substitute the new name on it, then repeal ACA and instate the new one on the same day. Then they can say "Mission Accomplished".

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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Well, now the senate bill is up to 10 no votes from republicans (they can only afford 2.) Looks like letting senators talk to their constituents over the 4th weekend was a big mistake for McConnell - he had hoped to ram it through before Americans knew what was being voted on. But he failed, and Republicans got a chance to hear from their constituents.

So now 10 have backed out. And this is perhaps the kiss of death - a tweet from Trump.

"I cannot imagine that Congress would dare to leave Washington without a beautiful new HealthCare bill fully approved and ready to go!"

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Well, with how well the whole "health care overhaul" process is going, apparently Paul Ryan has so much spare time that he can respond to television comedians who criticize it.

And, as noted in the video, Seth Meyers actually read the e-mail, unlike many Congress-creatures with the health care bill.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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Today McConnell blamed Dems for the lack of progress on the GOP (un)health bill.

Yeah, right!

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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kallend

Today McConnell blamed Dems for the lack of progress on the GOP (un)health bill.

Yeah, right!

Genius. Majority in the Senate, the house, and a president - and it's the Dem's fault? How stupid do they think people are?

Wait - they voted Trump in. Never mind.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

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And Trump is already distancing himself from the latest attempt to ram a repeal/replace through Congress: "I hope that they do it, they've been promising it for years." Note the "they."

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And of course Congress will get to keep their Obamacare after they yank it from everyone else:

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Senate Republicans exempt own health coverage from part of latest proposal

Updated by Sarah Kliff on July 13, 2017 3:00 pm
VOX

Senate Republicans included a provision that exempts members of Congress and their staff from part of their latest health care plan.

This exemption could have the effect of ensuring that members of Congress have coverage for a wider array of benefits than other Americans who purchase their own coverage.
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