Dr StrangeHarpper or: How I Learned to Stopped Worrying (About Global Warming) and Love CO2

[airdvr 210]

Solar will have a hard time here in Northeast Ohio. In the fall and winter months we can go a week without sunshine. Wind? Too unpredictable here. We do have two very nice nuke power plants on the banks of Lake Erie.

And, a little off the subject but I want to see a self driving car navigate a snow covered road. These ideas work great in the land of fruits and nuts but here in the rust belt I fear they'll fall short.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[AlanS 1]

airdvr

Solar will have a hard time here in Northeast Ohio. In the fall and winter months we can go a week without sunshine. Wind? Too unpredictable here. We do have two very nice nuke power plants on the banks of Lake Erie.

And, a little off the subject but I want to see a self driving car navigate a snow covered road. These ideas work great in the land of fruits and nuts but here in the rust belt I fear they'll fall short.

Uber is testing in Pittsburg IIRC, and I think Google has some in New York city. I live within a few miles of Google HQ and have about 4 self driving cars drive by per hour. I'm looking forward to seeing them on the road.

Other topic, modernized nuclear power should really be considered for reducing our carbon emissions. It servers the same base-load role as coal plants and is IMO the preferred option for the future.

One thing that is needed is an investment to modernize our electrical grid. Regardless, of Solar, Wind or Nuclear we are going to need "long haul" transmission lines and our current grid isn't up to the task.

It is also vulnerable to hacking, and could fail nation-wide if we have a 1859's style X-class solar flare.(look up Carrington Event 1859) So we really need to be investing in an upgrade right now to our power system.

If a Carrington-type flare happened today every transformer in the nation would be destroyed and it would take a year, to build and restore all the transformers. We had a near-hit in 2012. Imagine an entire year without power.

[DJL 235]

brenthutch

Just ask Venezuela.

I sit next to/work with a Venezuelan girl, as in born and raised and her entire family is there. What exactly should I ask her?

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[brenthutch 444]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dc2Z7CL4Cv0

[Phil1111 1,149]

DJL

***Just ask Venezuela.

I sit next to/work with a Venezuelan girl, as in born and raised and her entire family is there. What exactly should I ask her?

Ask her how well populism aka trump-chavez worked out?

Ask her how well border tariffs to protect domestic industry worked out aka trump border taxes?

Ask her how well chavez protected and enriched his family aka trump?

Ask her how the Chavez- polarization of the voter aka trump, attacks the media as fake to appeal to the masses?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/venezuela/9993238/Venezuela-the-wealth-of-Chavez-family-exposed.html
https://www.cjr.org/opinion/trump-chavez-media.php

[brenthutch 444]

Phil1111

******Just ask Venezuela.

I sit next to/work with a Venezuelan girl, as in born and raised and her entire family is there. What exactly should I ask her?

Ask her how well Socialism worked out?



FIFY

[SkyDekker 1,465]

brenthutch

*********Just ask Venezuela.

I sit next to/work with a Venezuelan girl, as in born and raised and her entire family is there. What exactly should I ask her?

Ask her how well Socialism worked out?



FIFY

Venezuela is much more communist than it is socialist.

Don't believe me? Fine, maybe you'll believe the Cato Institute? Unless they are too left wing for you

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/venezuelas-playbook-communist-manifesto

[DJL 235]

brenthutch

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dc2Z7CL4Cv0

Dammit....just got fired. Ron was right about that workplace harassment thing.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[DJL 235]

DJL

***Just ask Venezuela.

I sit next to/work with a Venezuelan girl, as in born and raised and her entire family is there. What exactly should I ask her?

Anyway, I realize you're trying to say that anything resembling government over-site is Socialism and since Venezuela's socialist government failed then the only correct answer is an unregulated economy. That's pretty far leap. Is that where you're going with this?

I don't see any circumstance in Venezuela applying to the free market vs. government oversite. In that country the government IS the oil company and they ransacked and mismanaged it. In the US the government is responsible for the long term national interest with regard to current and future industries and citizens.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[brenthutch 444]

If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it continues to move nationalize it. It is all on a continuum and not as far fetched as you may think.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0BdKkEKTrs&autoplay=1

[billvon 3,085]

>If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it continues to move nationalize it.
>It is all on a continuum . . . .

Exactly. And the trick is to stay at a reasonable point on that continuum. Venezuela was too far one way. Somalia is too far the other way.

[DJL 235]

brenthutch

If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it continues to move nationalize it. It is all on a continuum and not as far fetched as you may think.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0BdKkEKTrs&autoplay=1

That would not have a good outcome. I've never heard of her but it looks like she's in trouble for paying her daughters 6-figure incomes to gather campaign donations.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[brenthutch 444]

billvon

>If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it continues to move nationalize it.
>It is all on a continuum . . . .

Exactly. And the trick is to stay at a reasonable point on that continuum. Venezuela was too far one way. Somalia is too far the other way.

Agreed, and it only makes sense that a Progressive Democratic administration moved to the bar to the left and now a Republican administration is making some corrections in the other direction.

[rehmwa 2]

brenthutch

Agreed, and it only makes sense that a Progressive Democratic administration moved to the bar to the left and now a Republican administration is making some corrections in the other direction.

it's fun to watch one admin go too far left, and then the next go too far right, and the next go too far left, and then the next.........

(wait, no it's not fun....not fun at all)

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rehmwa

***Agreed, and it only makes sense that a Progressive Democratic administration moved to the bar to the left and now a Republican administration is making some corrections in the other direction.

it's fun to watch one admin go too far left, and then the next go too far right, and the next go too far left, and then the next.........

(wait, no it's not fun....not fun at all)

Hence unlikely any major long term investment would come from this.

[billvon 3,085]

>Agreed, and it only makes sense that a Progressive Democratic administration moved
>to the bar to the left and now a Republican administration is making some corrections
>in the other direction.

Hmm. Massive increases in military spending, more government controls on immigration, stricter controls on the free press, rejection of the US Justice system's authority, government limitations on the religion of immigrants . . . from the point of view of individual rights, Trump is trying to move the government towards socialism faster than any candidate in recent history.

Keep in mind that the most consistent trait of Trump supporters are their tendencies towards authoritarianism.

[gowlerk 2,259]

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Trump is trying to move the government towards socialism faster than any candidate in recent history.

So, by socialism you must mean National Socialism then.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[normiss 868]

Can we keep the anti-scientific thread to just this one?
It's beginning to feel like that is the only topic from Mr. Hutch here of late.
Including the continual thread drift to this topic in other threads.

[brenthutch 444]

Yes let us get back to some good ol peer reviewed science.

"This research failed to find that the steadily rising atmospheric CO2 concentrations have had a statistically significant impact on any of the 14 temperature data sets that were analyzed,” the authors say in the release for the second edition of their peer-reviewed work.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/24/exclusive-new-study-calls-epas-labeling-of-co2-a-pollutant-totally-false/#ixzz4fCgzCPuh

[kallend 2,114]

brenthutch

Yes let us get back to some good ol peer reviewed science.

"This research failed to find that the steadily rising atmospheric CO2 concentrations have had a statistically significant impact on any of the 14 temperature data sets that were analyzed,” the authors say in the release for the second edition of their peer-reviewed work.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/24/exclusive-new-study-calls-epas-labeling-of-co2-a-pollutant-totally-false/#ixzz4fCgzCPuh

Daily Caller is not a peer reviewed science journal.

It's a right wing alt-fact source, and quoting it just makes you look bad.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[brenthutch 444]

kallend

***Yes let us get back to some good ol peer reviewed science.

"This research failed to find that the steadily rising atmospheric CO2 concentrations have had a statistically significant impact on any of the 14 temperature data sets that were analyzed,” the authors say in the release for the second edition of their peer-reviewed work.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/24/exclusive-new-study-calls-epas-labeling-of-co2-a-pollutant-totally-false/#ixzz4fCgzCPuh

Daily Caller is not a peer reviewed science journal.

It's a right wing alt-fact source, and quoting it just makes you look bad.

Still suffering from a case of message/messenger inversion and that makes me sad.

Maybe this will help you out.
https://thsresearch.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/ef-data-research-report-second-editionfinal041717-1.pdf

[Phil1111 1,149]

brenthutch

******Yes let us get back to some good ol peer reviewed science.

"This research failed to find that the steadily rising atmospheric CO2 concentrations have had a statistically significant impact on any of the 14 temperature data sets that were analyzed,” the authors say in the release for the second edition of their peer-reviewed work.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/24/exclusive-new-study-calls-epas-labeling-of-co2-a-pollutant-totally-false/#ixzz4fCgzCPuh

Daily Caller is not a peer reviewed science journal.

It's a right wing alt-fact source, and quoting it just makes you look bad.

Still suffering from a case of message/messenger inversion and that makes me sad.

Maybe this will help you out.
https://thsresearch.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/ef-data-research-report-second-editionfinal041717-1.pdf

Authored by the signatory of this statement:

""We believe Earth and its ecosystems — created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence — are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying His glory. Earth's climate system is no exception."[6]"
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Brent, Brent, Brent, you are the energizer bunny of the alt-fact global cooling movement. No wonder you and Ron agree on so much.

[kallend 2,114]

Did you learn to weasel from Rush?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[DJL 235]

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Authored by the signatory of this statement:

""We believe Earth and its ecosystems — created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence — are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying His glory. Earth's climate system is no exception."[6]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_D%27Aleo
Brent, Brent, Brent, you are the energizer bunny of the alt-fact global cooling movement. No wonder you and Ron agree on so much.

Wait, so now we have The Holy Church of Climate Change Denial? Please don't tell me that I'm going to have to hear bullshit about Intelligent Design stopping Climate Change.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[rushmc 23]

kallend

Did you learn to weasel from Rush?

You are projecting again John!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln