Dr StrangeHarpper or: How I Learned to Stopped Worrying (About Global Warming) and Love CO2

[billvon 3,118]

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And just as we learned CO2, although a greenhouse gas, is only a minor player in the global climate and is overwhelmed by other influences.

Correct. That is why, through our best efforts, we have only managed to warm the planet by a few degrees instead of dozens.

[brenthutch 444]

Re moralizing

"Oftentimes, those on the political left assume the mantle of moral superiority, and superiority in their knowledge of scientific advances as well. Both are self-serving and usually fraudulent claims, but that doesn't stop liberals from pretending they are our intellectual and philosophical betters. No matter how much factual evidence they're shown that disproves an argument, they continue to spout the same nonsense and then accuse those who don't agree with them of being behind the times or anti-science. Their alleged scientific proof is often filled with holes or is nonexistent altogether, even as the liberal news media promote their unsubstantiated theories. Disagreement is met with angry and sometimes violent rebukes from those who specialize in outrage instead of honest debate.
For the past decade or so, we've been inundated with dire predictions of earthly catastrophes that have yet to materialize, while we're shamed into reducing our imagined "carbon footprint" in order to save the Earth. We're told the science is settled and that no further debate is necessary, despite no significant change in the worldwide climate or temperature."

Remind you of anyone?

[billvon 3,118]

"No matter how much factual evidence they're shown that disproves an argument, they continue to spout the same nonsense"

>Remind you of anyone?

Sounds like every denier I know.

[brenthutch 444]

Wow! Trump's environmental executive order is only a few minutes old and look what happened to my afternoon drive*.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=or7tWjWI0ZA








* In the imagination of snowflakes everywhere

[billvon 3,118]

Trump will soon put an end to this! Move those jobs to China, quick!

From the DOE's 2017 U.S. Energy and Employment Report:
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800,000 workers were employed in low carbon emission generation
technologies, including renewables, nuclear, and advanced/low emission natural gas. Just under 374,000 individuals work, in whole or in part, for solar firms, with more than 260,000 of those employees spending the majority of their time on solar. There are an additional 102,000 workers employed at wind firms across the nation. The solar workforce increased by 25% in 2016, while wind employment increased by 32%.
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[brenthutch 444]

Good for them! If renewables can compete in the free market, I am all for them.

[billvon 3,118]

>Good for them! If renewables can compete in the free market, I am all for them.

Right! Much better to get Ford to save 130 jobs than to work with the solar industry to save 800,000. Conservative math strikes again.

[brenthutch 444]

billvon

>Good for them! If renewables can compete in the free market, I am all for them.

Right! Much better to get Ford to save 130 jobs than to work with the solar industry to save 800,000. Conservative math strikes again.

Don't be constrained by the tyranny of the "or", embrace the freedom of the "and." If renewables are as great as you say, we save 130 automotive jobs AND keep and grow the 800,000 solar jobs. (Although MSNBC reported today the total jobs for all renewables (solar, wind and bio-fuels) was closer to 700K.)

[billvon 3,118]

>Don't be constrained by the tyranny of the "or", embrace the freedom of the "and." If
>renewables are as great as you say, we save 130 automotive jobs AND keep and grow
>the 800,000 solar jobs.

Sure, I'd be all for both. However, currently the president is choosing one over the other. So if we have to save one of those, I am going for the almost 1 million jobs. Pretty sure that at least 799,870 people would agree with me.

[brenthutch 444]

billvon

>Don't be constrained by the tyranny of the "or", embrace the freedom of the "and." If
>renewables are as great as you say, we save 130 automotive jobs AND keep and grow
>the 800,000 solar jobs.

Sure, I'd be all for both. However, currently the president is choosing one over the other.

And that has never happened before.

[billvon 3,118]

>And that has never happened before.

Of course it's happened before. Which is why it is a good idea to choose wisely.

[brenthutch 444]

Scott Pruitt doesn't have a "renewables suck" poster in his office, the same cannot be said about his predecessor, with regard to coal. .

http://www.weaselzippers.us/324242-former-epa-chief-denies-war-on-coal-while-sitting-in-front-of-a-coal-sucks-poster/

[billvon 3,118]

>Scott Pruitt doesn't have a "renewables suck" poster in his office

True. His boss says that for him.

[brenthutch 444]

billvon

>Scott Pruitt doesn't have a "renewables suck" poster in his office

True. His boss says that for him.

Source?

[sonnyblu 0]

billvon

Trump will soon put an end to this! Move those jobs to China, quick!

From the DOE's 2017 U.S. Energy and Employment Report:
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800,000 workers were employed in low carbon emission generation
technologies, including renewables, nuclear, and advanced/low emission natural gas. Just under 374,000 individuals work, in whole or in part, for solar firms, with more than 260,000 of those employees spending the majority of their time on solar. There are an additional 102,000 workers employed at wind firms across the nation. The solar workforce increased by 25% in 2016, while wind employment increased by 32%.
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Can you please show me how all 800,000 of those jobs are realistically threatened?

billvon

Right! Much better to get Ford to save 130 jobs than to work with the solar industry to save 800,000. Conservative math strikes again.

In the Trump Gaffes you were saying that Trump had nothing to do with those 130 jobs.

billvon

I'd be all for both. However, currently the president is choosing one over the other. So if we have to save one of those, I am going for the almost 1 million jobs. Pretty sure that at least 799,870 people would agree with me.

Rather than going with the 800,000 jobs related, "in whole or in part," to clean energy, I could understand why Trump would choose to protect the 14 million jobs related, "in whole or in part" to the automotive industry.

Pretty sure that at least 12 million people in the rust-belt agreed with him. . .

[brenthutch 444]

brenthutch

Wow! Trump's environmental executive order is only a few minutes old and look what happened to my afternoon drive*.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=or7tWjWI0ZA

Notice how I rev match on the downshifts?








* In the imagination of snowflakes everywhere

[billvon 3,118]

From Trump's speech on Herman Cain's show:

Unfortunately, [renewables are] not working on large-scale. It’s just not working. Solar is very, very expensive. Wind is very, very expensive, and it only works when it’s windy. . . .

Sometimes you go — I don’t know if you’ve ever been to Palm Springs, California — it looks like a junkyard. They have all these different — They have all these different companies and each one is made by a different group from, all from China and from Germany, by the way — not from here. And you look at all these windmills. Half of them are broken. They’re rusting and rotting. You know, you’re driving into Palm Springs, California, and it looks like a poor man’s version of Disneyland. It’s the worst thing you’ve ever seen.

And it kills all the birds. I don’t know if you know that … Thousands of birds are lying on the ground. And the eagle. You know, certain parts of California — they’ve killed so many eagles. You know, they put you in jail if you kill an eagle. And yet these windmills kill them by the hundreds.

[brenthutch 444]

Reading Trump is worse than listening to him. Thanks Bill, my eyes are bleeding now. I concede the point, Trump hates renewables. That said, many wind turbines ARE expensive, foreign built, eagle slaughtering, eye sores.

[Phil1111 1,183]

brenthutch

Reading Trump is worse than listening to him. Thanks Bill, my eyes are bleeding now. I concede the point, Trump hates renewables. That said, many wind turbines ARE expensive, foreign built, eagle slaughtering, eye sores.

Coal, yeah I like the feel of a gentle acid wash on my face and exposed skin. I know many women pay big money for a acid skin wash."a cocktail of four acids"
http://www.sephora.com/glycol-lactic-radiance-renewal-mask-P203616?country_switch=ca&lang=en

Anyone can just stand downwind from a trumpcoalplant and get one for free. If the acid rain kills the trees. The global warming will help Alaska move to pineapple production. If there are no trees then eagles don't have to pester the cats and dogs in the neighborhood.

From Oil and Gas 360,
http://www.oilandgas360.com/wind-boom-generators-going-wind-economics/

[billvon 3,118]

>That said, many wind turbines ARE expensive, foreign built, eagle slaughtering, eye sores.

Agreed. And coal power plants are expensive, built of foreign components, human slaughtering eyesores.

Save eagles or humans? Hmm. I can see why someone might have a "coal sucks" poster on their wall.

[DJL 235]

They say it's rain that's making the deserts bloom but I think we all know now that it's CO2.

https://weather.com/photos/news/california-super-bloom-2017

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[brenthutch 444]

DJL

They say it's rain that's making the deserts bloom but I think we all know now that it's CO2.

https://weather.com/photos/news/california-super-bloom-2017

It's both.
"Where water is a limiting factor, all plants could benefit. Plants lose water through the pores in leaves that let CO2 enter. Higher CO2 levels mean they do not need to open these pores as much, reducing water loss."

[airdvr 210]

We're already propping up Elon Musk so over-priveleged douchebags can drive $100,000 golf carts. I think we should just keep throwing money at the solar problem. It works in California...they don't give a rat's ass about anyone else anyways.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[billvon 3,118]

>We're already propping up Elon Musk so over-priveleged douchebags can drive
>$100,000 golf carts.

And propping up GM so that brainless morons can drive lousy cars that sound fast. Seems fair.

>I think we should just keep throwing money at the solar problem. It works in
>California...

and Arizona, Colorado, Delaware, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York and North Carolina. And Vermont, Maryland and Oregon. And Pennsylvania and Connecticut. And Ohio, Florida and Texas.

But when you look at Arkansas or Missouri, there's not too much solar capacity installed there. SOLAR DOESN'T WORK!

[sonnyblu 0]

billvon

And propping up GM so that brainless morons can drive lousy cars that sound fast.

I understand your response was mere "revenge."

But seriously, what do you have against the big 3? It seems personal. . .

I still haven't said goodbye to my 2005 GM silver car. (knock on wood) I'm still shy of about 30k less than yours, but I haven't had to do anything other than oil changes, tires, brake pads, and replace the heater-core.

Also, please know that my baby has slugged back-and-forth across the country at least a half dozen times and has slushed through rain, snow, sleet, hail and salt for the majority of it's life. . .

OH, and pot holes. . .($500)

Can't remember any of those in California. . .