Dr StrangeHarpper or: How I Learned to Stopped Worrying (About Global Warming) and Love CO2

[airdvr 210]

DJL

As a nuke war, well, at least when I woke up yesterday I didn't see that as a real threat.

I'm going to assume that you are a younger person. We "more experienced" types have seen the media morph from reporting the news to using the news as a tool to get ratings.

I'll give you one example...Weather Channel. Back in the day The Weather Channel was just a channel where you could see the forecast. It served it's purpose well. It was all I ever wanted or needed it to be. But that doesn't sell commercials. Take a look at the screen capture.
"Disaster '17" (For some reason I can't upload the screen capture but you get the idea) That's a real eye-catcher and to the uninitiated a scary prognosis. No longer sufficient to just report the forecast TWC has become the Weather Sensationalize Channel. And this example can be seen everywhere. Why? Because there's no money in unbiased reporting of the facts.

I understand that you don't feel threatened by the prospect of a Nuclear War. People in my generation and older grew up with the constant reminder of the possibility. Now, it's hardly even talked about. I don't understand why. It's still the threat it was before, and in some cases I say the threat is even higher now.

There's some much noise and so much competition for your attention that you have difficulty analyzing a perceived threat versus a real one. If you are truly worried about a global apocalypse think about how warm it would get if the more than 4,000 operational nukes were detonated. Followed by some serious global cooling.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[brenthutch 444]

El Niño is a naturally occurring phenomenon and droughts happen from time to time in the desert. Again nothing outside natural variability.

[Phil1111 1,173]

brenthutch

El Niño is a naturally occurring phenomenon and droughts happen from time to time in the desert. Again nothing outside natural variability.

Absolutely correct. I knew it was only a matter of time that we would agree on something. Good morning.

But the effects of global warming is increased variability and extremes in weather. Anytime there is mention of records, of 100 year rainfall, 200 year heat, 500 year flooding. Of records in weather extremes.

Its global warming and the mention of records being broke get mentioned more and more.

[airdvr 210]

Drought doesn't cause famine. Inept and corrupt governments do.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[airdvr 210]

Phil1111

***El Niño is a naturally occurring phenomenon and droughts happen from time to time in the desert. Again nothing outside natural variability.

Absolutely correct. I knew it was only a matter of time that we would agree on something. Good morning.

But the effects of global warming is increased variability and extremes in weather. Anytime there is mention of records, of 100 year rainfall, 200 year heat, 500 year flooding. Of records in weather extremes.

Its global warming and the mention of records being broke get mentioned more and more.

Please point out these record weather events.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[DJL 235]

airdvr

***As a nuke war, well, at least when I woke up yesterday I didn't see that as a real threat.

I'm going to assume that you are a younger person. We "more experienced" types have seen the media morph from reporting the news to using the news as a tool to get ratings.

I'll give you one example...Weather Channel. Back in the day The Weather Channel was just a channel where you could see the forecast. It served it's purpose well. It was all I ever wanted or needed it to be. But that doesn't sell commercials. Take a look at the screen capture.
"Disaster '17" (For some reason I can't upload the screen capture but you get the idea) That's a real eye-catcher and to the uninitiated a scary prognosis. No longer sufficient to just report the forecast TWC has become the Weather Sensationalize Channel. And this example can be seen everywhere. Why? Because there's no money in unbiased reporting of the facts.

I understand that you don't feel threatened by the prospect of a Nuclear War. People in my generation and older grew up with the constant reminder of the possibility. Now, it's hardly even talked about. I don't understand why. It's still the threat it was before, and in some cases I say the threat is even higher now.

There's some much noise and so much competition for your attention that you have difficulty analyzing a perceived threat versus a real one. If you are truly worried about a global apocalypse think about how warm it would get if the more than 4,000 operational nukes were detonated. Followed by some serious global cooling.

I'm 41 and have a Bachelor of Science degree in Mechanical Engineering from Virginia Military Institute, grew up in various parts of the world having been a Navy Brat, but most of my life I was in/near Washington D.C. I spent my youth well aware that the forward positions in which we lived in Europe were first strike zones since my father was a repair officer for nuke subs (mostly fast attack), I wrote several paper while at VMI on nuclear weaponry under the guidance of officers in the Submarine Navy.

Take that for what it is.

Edit: Conclusion: Global Thermonuclear is good for the environment. Shall we play a game?

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[airdvr 210]

DJL

******As a nuke war, well, at least when I woke up yesterday I didn't see that as a real threat.

I'm going to assume that you are a younger person. We "more experienced" types have seen the media morph from reporting the news to using the news as a tool to get ratings.

I'll give you one example...Weather Channel. Back in the day The Weather Channel was just a channel where you could see the forecast. It served it's purpose well. It was all I ever wanted or needed it to be. But that doesn't sell commercials. Take a look at the screen capture.
"Disaster '17" (For some reason I can't upload the screen capture but you get the idea) That's a real eye-catcher and to the uninitiated a scary prognosis. No longer sufficient to just report the forecast TWC has become the Weather Sensationalize Channel. And this example can be seen everywhere. Why? Because there's no money in unbiased reporting of the facts.

I understand that you don't feel threatened by the prospect of a Nuclear War. People in my generation and older grew up with the constant reminder of the possibility. Now, it's hardly even talked about. I don't understand why. It's still the threat it was before, and in some cases I say the threat is even higher now.

There's some much noise and so much competition for your attention that you have difficulty analyzing a perceived threat versus a real one. If you are truly worried about a global apocalypse think about how warm it would get if the more than 4,000 operational nukes were detonated. Followed by some serious global cooling.

I'm 41 and have a Bachelor of Science degree in Mechanical Engineering from Virginia Military Institute, grew up in various parts of the world having been a Navy Brat, but most of my life I was in/near Washington D.C. I spent my youth well aware that the forward positions in which we lived in Europe were first strike zones since my father was a repair officer for nuke subs (mostly fast attack), I wrote several paper while at VMI on nuclear weaponry under the guidance of officers in the Submarine Navy.

Take that for what it is.

Edit: Conclusion: Global Thermonuclear is good for the environment. Shall we play a game?

OK...you are more than qualified. Yet you don't see the threat?

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[DJL 235]

Oh, I see it. I don't think it's as credible as it was when I was younger but right now I'm glad I live in Richmond and not DC or Norfolk anymore in case this business with Russia gets out of control.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-JA1ffd5Ms

Edit: I'm also glad it's not October 1962.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[billvon 3,111]

>Drought doesn't cause famine. Inept and corrupt governments do.

Exactly. Pass a law, get government involved and watch the rain come!

[airdvr 210]

billvon

>Drought doesn't cause famine. Inept and corrupt governments do.

Exactly. Pass a law, get government involved and watch the rain come!

Funny though...we had a drought here west of Rockies. Did you see all the reports of the people who were dying? Wow.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[airdvr 210]

One of my all time favorite movies. I remember when the book came out and people were all like "how does Clancy know all this about sub warfare?"

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[rushmc 23]

Phil1111

***El Niño is a naturally occurring phenomenon and droughts happen from time to time in the desert. Again nothing outside natural variability.

Absolutely correct. I knew it was only a matter of time that we would agree on something. Good morning.

But the effects of global warming is increased variability and extremes in weather. Anytime there is mention of records, of 100 year rainfall, 200 year heat, 500 year flooding. Of records in weather extremes.

Its global warming and the mention of records being broke get mentioned more and more.

No and no.

there was an article posted not to long ago that addressed exactly what you post about. I will see if I can find it.

You also need to think about the time frame you are using to form your opinion. The span of or two lifetimes will not give you a true picture.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,111]

>Funny though...we had a drought here west of Rockies. Did you see all the reports
>of the people who were dying? Wow.

No.

What are you talking about? Are you having a Trump moment?

[airdvr 210]

billvon

>Funny though...we had a drought here west of Rockies. Did you see all the reports
>of the people who were dying? Wow.

No.

What are you talking about? Are you having a Trump moment?

Absolutely you didn't see reports of people dying in the southwest because of the drought. I wonder why?

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[billvon 3,111]

>Absolutely you didn't see reports of people dying in the southwest because of the
>drought. I wonder why?

Because we are not a third world country dependent upon subsistence farming. No matter what the right wing claims.

[brenthutch 444]

billvon

>Drought doesn't cause famine. Inept and corrupt governments do.

Exactly. Pass a law, get government involved and watch the rain come!

Yep. Pass a law, like the Clean Power Plan, get government involved, like subsidies for Tesla and voila no more bad weather.

[billvon 3,111]

>Pass a law, like the Clean Power Plan, get government involved, like subsidies for
>Tesla and voila no more bad weather.

Right. Tesla subsidies were intended to improve weather. And climate change is all a big Chinese conspiracy.

Definitely some Trump supporters here today.

[rushmc 23]

Phil1111

***El Niño is a naturally occurring phenomenon and droughts happen from time to time in the desert. Again nothing outside natural variability.

Absolutely correct. I knew it was only a matter of time that we would agree on something. Good morning.

But the effects of global warming is increased variability and extremes in weather. Anytime there is mention of records, of 100 year rainfall, 200 year heat, 500 year flooding. Of records in weather extremes.

Its global warming and the mention of records being broke get mentioned more and more.

this article exposed the mis-leading reporting that helps keep you thinking the alarmists way.

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On the same day (24 March 2015) in the real Antarctic (not Esperanza on the Trinity Peninsula) Australia’s Casey research station had its coldest 24 March day in 18 years (minus 12.7 °C). That wasn’t mentioned and neither was any other interesting data like Casey’s 2015 March mean maximum temperature was the same as 1990 and lower than 1991, 1992, 2001, 2002, 2006, 2007 and 2009.



Highest Antarctic region temperature was 35 years ago when CO2 was 340ppm (15% less than 2015 levels).

19.8°C was recorded on 30 January 1982 at Signy Research Station located at Borge Bay (near Esperanza Base) .



Highest Antarctic temperature for a Plateau station [>2500 meters] was 28 years ago.

-7.0°C was recorded on 28 December 1989 at an Automatic Weather Station (D-80) located inland from the Adélie Coast.



Highest Antarctic temperature for a continental station (outside the Antarctic Circle) was recorded in 2015.

17.5°C was recorded on 24 March 2015 at the Esperanza Base located on the Trinity Peninsula at Hope Bay (near Signy Research Station).

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/04/07/the-art-of-green-deception-about-those-record-temperatures-in-antarctica/


Oh
and because there are verifiable numbers in this article that expose alarmists bs, the site will be attacked and the content ignored.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,111]

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https://wattsupwiththat.com/...tures-in-antarctica/

Thanks for the morning laugh!

[DJL 235]

I don't think we're progressing the conversation by pretending that global warming has anything to do with how the US handles a drought vs how countries in Africa handle a drought.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[DJL 235]

billvon

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https://wattsupwiththat.com/...tures-in-antarctica/

Thanks for the morning laugh!

Man, that wattsup garbage again.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[brenthutch 444]

billvon

>Pass a law, like the Clean Power Plan, get government involved, like subsidies for
>Tesla and voila no more bad weather.

Right. Tesla subsidies were intended to improve weather. And climate change is all a big Chinese conspiracy.

Definitely some Trump supporters here today.

Bill, do you honestly think I am a Trump supporter?

[Phil1111 1,173]

Well for trump supporters this article may suggest what they have been pounding the table about for a decade. Chinese subsidies are killing American jobs. But the trump, Xi Jinping lovefest this weekend just threw those ideas under the bus. The transactional President will protect China, if China plays ball on N. Korea.

It suggests forces that will change the green energy industry and others in the next couple decades. Five gigawatts supplies a city of about a million with electricity.

When Solar Panels Became Job Killers

WUHAN, China — Russell Abney raised two children on solar power. The 49-year-old Georgia Tech graduate worked for the last decade in Perrysburg, Ohio, a suburb of Toledo, pulling a good salary as an equipment engineer for the largest American solar-panel maker.

On the other side of the world, Gao Song boasted his own solar success story. A former organic fruit retailer who lives in the dusty Chinese city of Wuhan, he installed solar panels on his roof four years ago and found it so lucrative that he went into business installing them for others. By last summer, he and a team of 50 employees were installing solar-panel systems on nearly 100 roofs a month.

Then China shook the global solar business — and transformed both their lives.

“A small vibration back in China,” said Frank Haugwitz, a longtime solar industry consultant in Beijing, “can cause an avalanche in prices around the world.”

Late last summer, Chinese officials began publicly toying with slashing the subsidies they offer domestic solar-panel buyers. Mr. Gao’s business dried up, and he laid off half his workers. “I have been working hard and was just off to a good start,” he said. “Now I have to start over."

China’s solar-panel makers cut their prices by more than a quarter to compensate, sending global prices plummeting. Western companies found themselves unable to compete, and cut jobs from Germany to Michigan to Texas and points beyond.

Those points included Perrysburg — where Mr. Abney and about 450 other employees suddenly found themselves out of work. “Within just a few months, it all came crashing down,” Mr. Abney said. “It’s like a death in the family. People feel awkward talking about it.”

President Trump, who pressed President Xi Jinping of China on trade and other issues this week when they met at Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Fla., has vowed to end what he calls China’s unfair business practices. Much of his oratory has involved old-fashioned smokestack industries like steel — industries in which the jobs were already disappearing even before the rise of China.

But economists and business groups warn that China’s industrial ambitions have entered a new, far-reaching phase. With its deep government pockets, growing technical sophistication and a comprehensive plan to free itself from dependence on foreign companies, China aims to become dominant in industries of the future like renewable energy, big data and self-driving cars.

With solar, it has already happened. China is now home to two-thirds of the world’s solar-production capacity. The efficiency with which its products convert sunlight into electricity is increasingly close to that of panels made by American, German and South Korean companies. Because China also buys half of the world’s new solar panels, it now effectively controls the market.

For much of the past century, the ups and downs of the American economy could spell the difference between employment or poverty for people like Chilean copper miners and Malaysian rubber farmers. Now China’s policy shifts and business decisions can have the same kind of global impact once wielded by power brokers in Washington, New York and Detroit.

The story of China’s rise in solar panels illustrates the profound difficulties the country presents to Mr. Trump, or to any American president. Its size and fast-moving economy give it the ability to redefine industries almost on a dime. Its government-led pursuit of dominance in crucial industries presents a direct challenge to countries where leaders generally leave business decisions to the businesses themselves.

Already, China is the world’s largest maker and buyer of steel, cars and smartphones. While it does not necessarily dominate those industries, its government ministries are moving to replicate that success with robots, chips and software — just as in solar.

Chinese panel makers “have the capital, they have the technology, they have the scale,” said Ocean Yuan, the chief executive of Grape Solar, a distributor of solar panels based in Eugene, Ore. Of American rivals, he said, “they will crush them.”
Rooted in Fish

Before he became one of the solar industry’s most powerful players, Liu Hanyuan raised fish.

The son of peasants from China’s hardscrabble southwest, Mr. Liu sold some of the family’s pigs in 1983 for what was then around $100 to buy some fish. Soon he went into the even more lucrative business of selling fish feed, and he eventually moved into pig feed and duck feed. The brand name, Keli, is a combination of the first and last Chinese characters from a famous paraphrasing of Karl Marx by Deng Xiaoping, the father of modern China: Science and technology are primary productive forces.

According to Mr. Liu’s authorized biography, he faced local criticism at first for his early embrace of capitalism, and responded by saying that his fish feed was an improved product that followed Deng’s dictum. “When my business grows bigger,” he said at the time, “I will build another floor for labs.”

Plans to shift into computer chips did not pan out, so by 2006, he shifted to solar technology, after taking control of a company that made chemicals for the production of polysilicon, the crystalline raw material for solar panels. That move proved fortunate: China was just then embarking on a concerted effort to become a solar-industry powerhouse.

China has led the world in solar panel production. But recently, Chinese companies have been building factories outside China, particularly in Malaysia and Vietnam, to bypass anti-dumping and anti-subsidy measures that the United States and European Union imposed on Chinese-made panels four years ago.

Over the next six years, Beijing pushed state-owned banks to provide at least $18 billion in loans at low-interest rates to solar-panel manufacturers, and encouraged local governments to subsidize them with cheap land. China had more on its mind than just dominating solar exports: Its severe pollution problems and concerns that rising sea levels from climate change could devastate its teeming coastal cities lent urgency to efforts to develop green technology. At the same time, China also became a major player in wind power through similar policies.

With ample assistance, China’s solar-power production capacity expanded more than tenfold from 2007 to 2012. Now six of the top 10 solar-panel makers are Chinese, including the top two, compared with none a decade ago. The solar division of Mr. Liu’s company, the Tongwei Group, which discloses few financial details, is one of the fastest-expanding players in the industry.

That growth forced many American and European solar-panel manufacturers into a headlong retreat. Two dozen of them filed for bankruptcy or cut back operations during President Barack Obama’s first term, damaging the heady optimism then about clean energy.

In 2012 and 2013, the United States and the European Union concluded that Chinese solar-panel makers were collecting government subsidies and dumping panels, or selling them for less than the cost of producing and shipping them. Both imposed import limits. Chinese manufacturers and officials denied improper subsidies and dumping, and still do.

Several large Chinese manufacturers that had previously overexpanded and had been selling at heavy losses for years then closed their doors. But Western solar companies say Chinese banks still lent heavily to the survivors despite low loan-recovery rates from the defaults of big Chinese solar companies like Suntech, Chaori and LDK Solar.

“The main subsidy is massive, below-market loans by Chinese state-owned commercial banks to finance new capacity and also the massive ongoing losses of Chinese companies,” said Jürgen Stein, the president of American operations for SolarWorld, a big German panel maker.

Li Junfeng, a top architect of China’s renewable-energy policies until he retired from that responsibility in early January, said that the West had exaggerated the role of the state in helping to finance Chinese solar-panel manufacturers. “The market can decide for itself,” he said. “The good companies can get money, the bad companies cannot.”
High-Tech Hopes

Like the Chinese solar industry as a whole, Tongwei is thinking bigger.

Mr. Liu’s company bought an enormous solar-panel manufacturing complex in central China in 2013 from LDK Solar, which had run into severe financial difficulties. Now it plans to build factories of five gigawatts apiece in the Chinese cities of Chengdu and Hefei. By comparison, the entire global market is only about 77 gigawatts each year, while world capacity is 139 gigawatts.

At the same time, Mr. Liu is dismissive of companies in the West that pioneered many solar technologies but have lost their market shares to China. “They are very jealous,” he said, “and cannot catch up with China’s pace.”

From an environmental standpoint, China’s solar push has been good for the world. Solar-panel prices have fallen close to 90 percent over the past decade. Many of the solar panels in America’s backyards and solar power plants are made by Chinese companies.

But for the solar industry, Chinese expansion could mean an extended period of low prices and cutbacks for everybody else.

“The solar industry is facing again, I would say, a new winter,” said Patrick Pouyanné, the chairman and chief executive of Total, the French oil and gas giant, which owns a controlling stake in SunPower, an American solar-panel maker.

China now hopes to replicate its solar industry’s growth in other areas.

Under a plan called Made in China 2025, China hopes to become largely self-sufficient within seven years in a long list of industries, including aircraft, high-speed trains, computer chips and robots. The plan echoes the solar-panel and wind-turbine buildup a decade ago, but with a larger checkbook. Made in China 2025 calls for roughly $300 billion in financial backing: inexpensive loans from state-owned banks, investment funds to acquire foreign technologies, and extensive research subsidies.

If successful, Made in China 2025 would represent a fundamental shift in how China deals with the world. Initially, most of the industries that moved to China, such as shoe and clothing production, were already leaving the United States anyway. Heavy industries such as steel followed. While the shift was profound — some economists estimate that up to 2.4 million American jobs were lost to China from 1999 to 2011, though others dispute that analysis — China has struggled in some areas like autos to create viable global competitors.

American and European business groups have warned that the China 2025 plan means that a much wider range of Western businesses will face the same kind of government-backed competition that has already transformed the solar industry.

“The policies started in solar and are now starting to infect the higher reaches of the economy with Made in China 2025,” said Jeremie Waterman, the president of the China Center at the United States Chamber of Commerce in Washington.

Ripples From Wuhan
In the end, China did not slash subsidies for rooftop solar panels, and cut them only slightly for large power-plant arrays. But prices barely rebounded from last year’s slump.

Mr. Gao, of Wuhan, is a slender 37-year-old whose dark hair is already thinning. He said that his business had depended not on homeowners but on profit-minded investors who made use of the subsidies.

The investors would pay three-fifths of the cost of a homeowner’s system. The homeowner would take only enough electricity from the panels to power the home. The investor would sell the rest of the electricity to the grid at a high, government-assisted price.

The suggestion that the government might cut the subsidy, even though the government did not follow through on it, panicked his investors. So they stopped financing further deals.

“They fear that the year after next, they may have nothing,” he said. He recently hired four more employees to drum up sales, even as installations creep along at a small fraction of demand a year ago.

In Perrysburg, Mr. Abney lost his job at First Solar, the largest solar-panel manufacturer based in the United States, and looked in vain for a job in the auto industry in the Toledo area. He ended up taking a job three weeks ago at a building materials company in Lancaster, Pa. His daughter is going off to college in the autumn, while his wife and son, a high school freshman now, will follow him to central Pennsylvania this summer.

“It’s hardest on him because we’re pulling him away from his high school and his activities,” Mr. Abney said.

First Solar struggled with improving Chinese technology as well as dropping prices.

It laid off workers in Perrysburg partly because it decided not to produce its Series 5 generation of panels, which represented a limited improvement over its existing Series 4 panels. First Solar, to better compete with Chinese producers, will wait for its lower-cost, high-efficiency Series 6 panels to be ready for production in 2018. In the end, First Solar, which is based in Tempe, Ariz., laid off 1,600 people worldwide.

“It’s just kind of a shock factor when a lot of families realize they’re no longer going to have a job,” said Michael Olmstead, the Republican mayor of Perrysburg.

Though Mr. Abney has started his new job at almost the same pay as his previous one, he says part of him pined for the days when the United States still led in solar energy, and when First Solar was at the forefront of that leadership.

“They were good for us,” he said. “And it was great while it lasted.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/08/business/china-trade-solar-panels.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

[brenthutch 444]

On the other hand...

https://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/04/06/shale-is-helping-americas-trade-balance-with-china/

"recent pipeline upgrades, and the surge in shale oil and gas production since the 2000s, has created ample supply and pushed output from Texas and Oklahoma into the Gulf Coast, depressing prices enough to justify the shipping cost to Asia."

[Phil1111 1,173]

brenthutch

On the other hand...

https://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/04/06/shale-is-helping-americas-trade-balance-with-china/

"recent pipeline upgrades, and the surge in shale oil and gas production since the 2000s, has created ample supply and pushed output from Texas and Oklahoma into the Gulf Coast, depressing prices enough to justify the shipping cost to Asia."

Thats good news for the US.

"In the first six months of this year, nearly 50 Bcf of U.S. LNG was exported. We will be surging to a dominant role in less than five years, with five terminals operating on the Gulf Coast and in Maryland by 2020.

U.S. LNG has already been shipped to the Middle East, Europe, South America, Asia, and perhaps could soon reach the most energy-deprived region on Earth, where a tragic 650 million humans have no electricity whatsoever: "Sub-Saharan Africa May Help Soak Up Global LNG Glut."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/judeclemente/2016/09/11/good-news-for-u-s-liquefied-natural-gas-exports/#2f832568b6e2

Six US LNG export terminals are being built, with four along the Gulf coast and two along the Atlantic seaboard. If they are completed as planned, the six facilities would have combined peak capacity of 75mn t/yr, nearing Qatari output of 77mn t/yr.
http://www.oilandgas360.com/u-s-lng-exports-surge-3-bcfday-2017/

The net, net of this.....Fu#k Putin.