Russiagate

[gowlerk 2,274]

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We offer Truth, Justice and the American Way (tm) to countries that need them - whether they know it or not.

Some uninformed people may misinterpret this as interference, but, unlike the Godless commies, we do these things out of the goodness of our hearts.

We are, by jingo, ALWAYS on the side of the angels.

Your burden is heavy. Godspeed America!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCR83LxGKkg

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[billvon 3,111]

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You avoided the shark and have not posted about Comey supposedly going to tell the Senate the Trump did try and force him into dropping the Flynn investigation.

I hope he does because he then puts himself into a position of defending himself against a perjury charge (He stated, under oath,on May 3rd that Trump did not try to force him).

So Comey did indeed testify that Trump tried to force him to drop the Flynn investigation. From his testimony:

"I took it as a direction. I mean, this is a president of the United States with me alone saying, 'I hope this.' I took it as, this is what he wants me to do. I didn't obey that, but that's the way I took it."

And Trump's son then confirmed that Trump said that to Comey. And no perjury charges!

However, we do have some news on the "potential new charges" front today:
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Special counsel is investigating Trump for possible obstruction of justice, officials say
Devlin Barrett June 14 at 6:21 PM
WaPo

The special counsel overseeing the investigation into Russia’s role in the 2016 election is interviewing senior intelligence officials as part of a widening probe that now includes an examination of whether President Trump attempted to obstruct justice, officials said.

The move by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III to investigate Trump’s conduct marks a major turning point in the nearly year-old FBI investigation, which until recently focused on Russian meddling during the presidential campaign and on whether there was any coordination between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. Investigators have also been looking for any evidence of possible financial crimes among Trump associates, officials said.
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After a day this bad for you, I expect we might see you in full-fledged panic mode, and we will soon be hearing about sharks, fake news, evil media and noserings - anything to distract from the dumpster fire in the White House. Looking forward to the next revelations.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

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You avoided the shark and have not posted about Comey supposedly going to tell the Senate the Trump did try and force him into dropping the Flynn investigation.

I hope he does because he then puts himself into a position of defending himself against a perjury charge (He stated, under oath,on May 3rd that Trump did not try to force him).

So Comey did indeed testify that Trump tried to force him to drop the Flynn investigation. From his testimony:

"I took it as a direction. I mean, this is a president of the United States with me alone saying, 'I hope this.' I took it as, this is what he wants me to do. I didn't obey that, but that's the way I took it."

And Trump's son then confirmed that Trump said that to Comey. And no perjury charges!

However, we do have some news on the "potential new charges" front today:
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Special counsel is investigating Trump for possible obstruction of justice, officials say
Devlin Barrett June 14 at 6:21 PM
WaPo

The special counsel overseeing the investigation into Russia’s role in the 2016 election is interviewing senior intelligence officials as part of a widening probe that now includes an examination of whether President Trump attempted to obstruct justice, officials said.

The move by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III to investigate Trump’s conduct marks a major turning point in the nearly year-old FBI investigation, which until recently focused on Russian meddling during the presidential campaign and on whether there was any coordination between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. Investigators have also been looking for any evidence of possible financial crimes among Trump associates, officials said.
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After a day this bad for you, I expect we might see you in full-fledged panic mode, and we will soon be hearing about sharks, fake news, evil media and noserings - anything to distract from the dumpster fire in the White House. Looking forward to the next revelations.

IYO

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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https://www.google.com/search?q=under+investigation+meme&safe=off&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS503US503&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi9wNGH28DUAhUJyyYKHcKuBMkQ_AUICigB&biw=1828&bih=889#safe=off&tbm=isch&q=hillary+under+investigation+meme

seems a little ironic these days, no?

[billvon 3,111]

Aaaaand - Pence lawyers up. Looks like after the Comey and Sessions testimony, people are getting very, very worried.
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Pence hires outside counsel to deal with Russia probe inquiries

By Ashley Parker June 15 at 4:58 PM
WaPo

Vice President Pence has hired outside legal counsel to help with both congressional committee inquiries and the special counsel investigation into possible collusion between President Trump’s campaign and Russia.

The vice president’s office said Thursday that Pence has retained Richard Cullen, a Richmond-based lawyer and chairman of McGuireWoods who previously served as a U.S. attorney in the Eastern District of Virginia.

Pence’s decision comes less than a month after Trump hired his own private attorney, Marc E. Kasowitz, to help navigate the investigations related to the Russia probe, and a day after The Washington Post reported that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III is widening his investigation to examine whether the president attempted to obstruct justice.
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[rushmc 23]

billvon

Aaaaand - Pence lawyers up. Looks like after the Comey and Sessions testimony, people are getting very, very worried.
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Pence hires outside counsel to deal with Russia probe inquiries

By Ashley Parker June 15 at 4:58 PM
WaPo

Vice President Pence has hired outside legal counsel to help with both congressional committee inquiries and the special counsel investigation into possible collusion between President Trump’s campaign and Russia.

The vice president’s office said Thursday that Pence has retained Richard Cullen, a Richmond-based lawyer and chairman of McGuireWoods who previously served as a U.S. attorney in the Eastern District of Virginia.

Pence’s decision comes less than a month after Trump hired his own private attorney, Marc E. Kasowitz, to help navigate the investigations related to the Russia probe, and a day after The Washington Post reported that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III is widening his investigation to examine whether the president attempted to obstruct justice.
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So we now have a special counsel appointed. This special counsel answers to no one. Tell me Bill, how f****** stupid would it be not to lawyer up in a situation like this?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ryoder 1,590]

Oh, man; This sounds like something from The Onion, but I'm seeing it from multiple news sites.

Putin Offers Political Asylum To James Comey, Citing Potential Prosecution In U.S.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/06/15/533043576/putin-offers-political-asylum-to-james-comey-citing-potential-prosecution-in-u-s

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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Quality trolling by Putin

[gowlerk 2,274]

He's not in charge of much of anything it would seem. At least he finally got his wife to live in the same building as him. That might keep him occupied a little.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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Regardless of the truth of any of this, you know Putin is laughing his arse off at the state of US politics.

[rushmc 23]

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Regardless of the truth of any of this, you know Putin is laughing his arse off at the state of US politics.

Yes! Thanks to the left and its complaint media

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ryoder 1,590]

gowlerk

He's not in charge of much of anything it would seem. At least he finally got his wife to live in the same building as him. That might keep him occupied a little.

Yes, Melania and Barron moving in means the average IQ, mental maturity, and English proficiency of the WH residents will dramatically increase!

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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rushmc

***Regardless of the truth of any of this, you know Putin is laughing his arse off at the state of US politics.

Yes! Thanks to the left and its complaint media


No.

The 'it's all them' attitude is exactly what's wrong with US politics. And you're a poster-boy for it.

[billvon 3,111]

>So we now have a special counsel appointed. This special counsel answers to no one.

Do you just make this stuff up as you go?

>Tell me Bill, how f****** stupid would it be not to lawyer up in a situation like this?

You are correct. When you are under investigation for obstruction of justice, and the case against you looks strong, you'd have to be an idiot not to lawyer up, to not stop sending incriminating tweets and to not stop threatening to commit further obstructions.

[tkhayes 348]

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So we now have a special counsel appointed. This special counsel answers to no one. Tell me Bill, how f****** stupid would it be not to lawyer up in a situation like this?

Given that you already have a team of staff attorneys to protect you, it could very well be considered unnecessary. Unless of course you do not trust the team of govt paid-for attorneys that are staff to look after your 'personal interests'.

But of course I am sure the taxpayer is picking up the tab for the outside counsel as well. And yes, that outside counsel can absolutely work for exclusively you, and 'your personal interests' because after all, when you go got elected, you swore to look after your own interests above all others interests....like say, the country or the Constitution.

And those staff attorneys swore to uphold the Constitution...not to protect you.

Yes they can hire outside attorneys...and the fact that they have absolutely reeks of the corruption that I expect we will see as the investigation progresses. Mostly a tactical move to further drag out proceedings, since you can now have dozens of attorneys, firms and individuals delaying proceedings for all the same reasons, tying this up for years at taxpayers expense.

BTW, for all those times you claimed that Trump is not under investigation.... well Trump is now officially under investigation by Mueller and the FBI for obstruction of Justice. It's an actual investigation, just like the Russia investigation which you also claimed did not exist.

[tkhayes 348]

and that is no doubt what the real issue should be. Trump and his elite staff have yet to even acknowledge that Russia played a part in trying to influence an election and throw the country into chaos....deeply affecting the democracy we live in.

I do not believe that Putin's goals had anything to do with supporting Trump, more to simply throw into question the credibility of our democracy, and from what I can see, it has been played perfectly, certainly effectively.

Not a single thing is happening at the congressional or executive level to condone or look into the actual hacking and what Russia did, how it affected things. And Obama failed to act as well for fear of 'being a player in the election', but in hindsight, this should have all over the White House and the executive when it hit the radar last summer.

But as well, the collusion/involvement aspect also needs to be investigated and all the Americans involved may very well have been 'played' by Russia. But the outcome is the same. America divided, America's democracy thrown into upheaval, mis-trust in the system, but no one is addressing that. Or even talking about it.

[Phil1111 1,173]

billvon

>So we now have a special counsel appointed. This special counsel answers to no one.

Do you just make this stuff up as you go?

>Tell me Bill, how f****** stupid would it be not to lawyer up in a situation like this?

You are correct. When you are under investigation for obstruction of justice, and the case against you looks strong, you'd have to be an idiot not to lawyer up, to not stop sending incriminating tweets and to not stop threatening to commit further obstructions.

You can lead a ass to water but you can't make him drink.

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Trump's latest tweet:

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I am being investigated for firing the FBI Director by the man who told me to fire the FBI Director! Witch Hunt

[normiss 892]

"Regardless of recommendation I was going to fire Comey."

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That tweet was from longer ago than his last conversation. I'm sure he doesn't remember it.

Trump's like a newborn baby - if something disappears from his sight - even for a second, it effectively ceases to exist in his mind and is a surprise when it appears again.

It's like playing peek-a-boo with policies.

[gowlerk 2,274]

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It's like playing peek-a-boo with policies.

Kind of like signing a health care bill under the bright lights. Then weeks later complaining that it is "mean".

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

And now Trump's personal lawyer has retained a lawyer.

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you have to admit, he's doing fantastic things for the law economy!

[billvon 3,111]

>And now Trump's personal lawyer has retained a lawyer.

In a recent interview his lawyer said:

"Let me be clear here. The president is not and has not been under investigation for obstruction."

OK, great. So what's going on with Trump saying "I am being investigated?"

"He’s being investigated for taking the action that the attorney general and the deputy attorney general recommended him to take, by the agency that recommended he take the action. That’s the constitutional threshold issue."

Wait a minute. Now he IS being investigated?

"I don’t appreciate you putting words in my mouth when I’ve been crystal clear that the president is not and has not been under investigation!"

UH . . . ok. So you just . . . aren't sure?

“You’re right, Chris. I cannot read the mind of the special prosecutor."

No wonder he needs a lawyer.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Different lawyer, but I am sure this one will need a lawyer soon too.