Russiagate

[billvon 3,110]

>Then what judical proceding?

The investigation into Flynn's contact with the Russians.

[yoink 321]

rushmc

So where are you going with this?

I'm not going anywhere with this other than to point out that your typical response to any post from someone who you classify as a 'liberal' is a knee-jerk refutation of their position, even if the response you post is utter nonsense and has no bearing in reality or even makes sense.

That's all.

[tkhayes 348]

It is difficult for me to believe that you can be so ridiculously obtuse about the facts of what is being investigated. Comey stated it himself. Several agencies are investigating it. several investigations are going on because evidence has surfaced and allegations have been made.

'It' is the Russian hacking and possibly having an effect on the election. That is an investigation...it is not a crime...yet. However, there appears to be evidence that suggests that other in the USA, Americans...might have also been involved in that. So that is worth 'investigating' and may or may not be or even lead to a crime. However there is MOST CERTAINLY an investigation or two going on about all of that. NOT A CRIME....an investigation, which involved many many processes.

Obstruction of justice is interfering with ANY of those processes, or even attempting to interfere with those processes, whether or not you are even successful or achieve any result in your interference.

And if that investigation leads to the Trump campaign, then those people involved will be investigated....and so on, leading up the chain. until the investigation is complete, which may or may not lead to a crime, or crimes, or misguidance, or inappropriate behavior or ethics issues, or any other 100,000 conclusions that it might come to.


When a body is found in the woods....there is no 'crime'...but there is an investigation leading to the answer to the reason there is a body in the woods. That may or may not actually lead to a 'crime'. However you can still obstruct the investigation of the body in the woods....which IS A CRIME.

good grief...really.... are you actually that unaware of the definitions of what is going on or do you just enjoy baiting people?

I expected better of you but will from now on lower my expectations.

[gowlerk 2,274]

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or do you just enjoy baiting people?

TK, really? You still haven't figured it out?

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[jakee 1,594]

rushmc

Ok

Then what judical proceding? We now know for sure Trump was not under investigation.

Flynn. You remember Flynn, right? It's about Flynn. You remember Trump asking Comey to drop the Flynn investigation? It's about that. You remember the general investigation into the circumstances of Russian electioneering? It's about that. You remember Trump saying he fired Comey over the Russia investigation? It's about that.

What kind of a person would think obstruction of justice could only apply if you obstructed an investigation that was specifically about you?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

tkhayes

It is difficult for me to believe that you can be so ridiculously obtuse about the facts of what is being investigated. Comey stated it himself. Several agencies are investigating it. several investigations are going on because evidence has surfaced and allegations have been made.

'It' is the Russian hacking and possibly having an effect on the election. That is an investigation...it is not a crime...yet. However, there appears to be evidence that suggests that other in the USA, Americans...might have also been involved in that. So that is worth 'investigating' and may or may not be or even lead to a crime. However there is MOST CERTAINLY an investigation or two going on about all of that. NOT A CRIME....an investigation, which involved many many processes.

Obstruction of justice is interfering with ANY of those processes, or even attempting to interfere with those processes, whether or not you are even successful or achieve any result in your interference.

And if that investigation leads to the Trump campaign, then those people involved will be investigated....and so on, leading up the chain. until the investigation is complete, which may or may not lead to a crime, or crimes, or misguidance, or inappropriate behavior or ethics issues, or any other 100,000 conclusions that it might come to.


When a body is found in the woods....there is no 'crime'...but there is an investigation leading to the answer to the reason there is a body in the woods. That may or may not actually lead to a 'crime'. However you can still obstruct the investigation of the body in the woods....which IS A CRIME.

good grief...really.... are you actually that unaware of the definitions of what is going on or do you just enjoy baiting people?

I expected better of you but will from now on lower my expectations.

Then when are you going to call for an investigation oc Comey and Obama who were in charge when this hacki g was go8ng on?

Remember when Obama told Putin to knock it off?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[yoink 321]

The 'Obama did it first' argument.

It's a classic.

[billvon 3,110]

>The 'Obama did it first' argument.
>It's a classic.

Well, the whole progression is classic, and is displayed excellently here.

1) He didn't do it.
2) OK so maybe he did it but it doesn't matter.
3) Obama did it first.

[rushmc 23]

yoink

The 'Obama did it first' argument.

It's a classic.

Not at all.

You ignoring who was in charge is classic!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>The 'Obama did it first' argument.
>It's a classic.

Well, the whole progression is classic, and is displayed excellently here.

1) He didn't do it.
2) OK so maybe he did it but it doesn't matter.
3) Obama did it first.

You still have not figured it out.

You can not intimidate me with your bull.

So how about it. Since Obama was in charge during the hack attempts shouldnt the investigation look into what he allowed to happen?

After all, he was incorrect when he said he had stopped it.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,110]

>Since Obama was in charge during the hack attempts shouldnt the investigation
>look into what he allowed to happen?

Yes, it should, and I am sure it will. The investigation into the hacking is ongoing, no matter how much you (and people like you) want it to go away, and no matter how much you denied it during the election.

There is now also an investigation into Trump personally, since he tried to interfere with it.

[jakee 1,594]

rushmc

So how about it. Since Obama was in charge during the hack attempts shouldnt the investigation look into what he allowed to happen?

If your house is ever broken into I hope that you demand the police stop trying to find the burglers, and instead investigate you for allowing your house to be burgled.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[yoink 321]

rushmc

***The 'Obama did it first' argument.

It's a classic.

Not at all.

You ignoring who was in charge is classic!


You can't even come up with your own put-downs.

I'm honestly waiting for the time you use 'I know you are, but what am I?' as a comeback.

[tkhayes 348]

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Then when are you going to call for an investigation oc Comey and Obama who were in charge when this hacki g was go8ng on?

Remember when Obama told Putin to knock it off?

ummm, they are the people that STARTED the investigation....not be part of the corruption. That is like saying - geez, should we investigate the cops for investigating that murder. I mean afterall, they are now part of the 'investigation'.

Again, truly obtuse and baiting..... nice try though, i suppose.... for someone so disconnected from reality, and misunderstanding how even the most basic of organizational structures, like investigating crime, actually work.

From my FB post this morning, in case you need further clarity into what we are investigating....as you have proclaimed on numerous occasions that it is somehow fake, not an investigation, not actually happening, not actually whatever it is....:

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Just in case there are still people out there wondering why we are investigating various links to Russia, here is the breakdown. Walks like a duck, talks like a duck...I expect there is a ton more to be uncovered, and I am confident in time that FBI and other agencies will conclude their investigations appropriately. Not sure if you need to be subscribed to NYTimes to see this or not:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/07/us/politics/trump-russia-flynn-kushner.html?_r=0

[rushmc 23]

yoink

******The 'Obama did it first' argument.

It's a classic.

Not at all.

You ignoring who was in charge is classic!


You can't even come up with your own put-downs.

I'm honestly waiting for the time you use 'I know you are, but what am I?' as a comeback.

Look
Ignore it (like you usually do) if you don't like the truth.

The other fact is for at least the first 6 years of the Obama admin we heard it was Bush's fault.

Goose, gander????


You guys are a hoot.......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

what is looks like will be uncovered is...





nothing.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[tkhayes 348]

IYO.....

[billvon 3,110]

>what is looks like will be uncovered is... nothing

1) It never happened
2) It doesn't matter
3) Obama did it first

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>what is looks like will be uncovered is... nothing

1) It never happened
2) It doesn't matter
3) Obama did it first

You are projecting again.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[winsor 236]

billvon

>what is looks like will be uncovered is... nothing

1) It never happened
2) It doesn't matter
3) Obama did it first

Look, what you are all overlooking is just how bad the Russians are.

The United States would NEVER stoop so low as to interfere with the electoral process of another nation. We have way too much integrity.

It concerns me that any of our politicians would so much as speak to a Russian. They say they aren't commies anymore, but I don't trust them.

[billvon 3,110]

>The United States would NEVER stoop so low as to interfere with the electoral
>process of another nation. We have way too much integrity.

Right. And skydivers would NEVER trash talk other teams at Nationals. Anyone who knows skydivers knows they have way too much honor and decorum to stoop to such a low level.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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honor and decorum

That's only after they have died for the competition.

Dolce et decorum est.....

[winsor 236]

billvon

>The United States would NEVER stoop so low as to interfere with the electoral
>process of another nation. We have way too much integrity.

Right. And skydivers would NEVER trash talk other teams at Nationals. Anyone who knows skydivers knows they have way too much honor and decorum to stoop to such a low level.

Agreed, nobody who put the time and effort into getting there would behave in such an undignified manner. If anyone thinks ill of their competition, they sure keep it to themselves.

It makes me proud.

[rushmc 23]

winsor

The United States would NEVER stoop so low as to interfere with the electoral process of another nation. We have way too much integrity.

Sorry
Not true.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[winsor 236]

rushmc

***

The United States would NEVER stoop so low as to interfere with the electoral process of another nation. We have way too much integrity.

Sorry
Not true.

We offer Truth, Justice and the American Way (tm) to countries that need them - whether they know it or not.

Some uninformed people may misinterpret this as interference, but, unlike the Godless commies, we do these things out of the goodness of our hearts.

We are, by jingo, ALWAYS on the side of the angels.