EO authorizing Bannon on NSC. Say what now?

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Can this even possibly be true; that Bannon slipped his NSC EO authorization in under Trump's nose and Trump didn't even realize what he was signing?

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But for the moment, Mr. Bannon remains the president’s dominant adviser, despite Mr. Trump’s anger that he was not fully briefed on details of the executive order he signed giving his chief strategist a seat on the National Security Council, a greater source of frustration to the president than the fallout from the travel ban.

Source and more:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/05/us/politics/trump-white-house-aides-strategy.html?_r=0

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[ryoder 1,590]

Bwahahaha!!!

"What am I signing, Radar?"

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[BartsDaddy 7]

If this is true. Look for it to be rescinded soon.

Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

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BartsDaddy

If this is true. Look for it to be rescinded soon.

I'm not so sure. It would be an admission by Trump he has no idea what's going on. When has he ever done that?

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[kallend 2,148]

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If this is true. Look for it to be rescinded soon.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[ryoder 1,590]

quade

***If this is true. Look for it to be rescinded soon.

I'm not so sure. It would be an admission by Trump he has no idea what's going on. When has he ever done that?

Agreed.
A narcissist/sociopath can never, ever admit a mistake.
He will probably only undo it if he thinks he has a way to do it that no one will notice.
Or maybe just send out SpokesDunce Kellyanne Conway and Baghdad Bob Spicer to tell us it never happened.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[gowlerk 2,275]

Trump will get pissed off at Bannon soon. The man is too clever by half. Trump will decide that he no longer needs the rain maker to hold onto his people. And he will lose his famous loyalty when he realizes that instead of playing Bannon, Bannon is trying to play him.

Putin would have had the man shot long ago. Trump is a weakling.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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gowlerk

Trump will get pissed off at Bannon soon. The man is too clever by half. Trump will decide that he no longer needs the rain maker to hold onto his people. And he will lose his famous loyalty when he realizes that instead of playing Bannon, Bannon is trying to play him.

Putin would have had the man shot long ago. Trump is a weakling.

If you could get 'Bannon runs Trump. Trump is a weakling' to trend on twitter, I bet you $50 that the president would take that more seriously than anything he's being told by his cabinet...

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gowlerk

Trump will get pissed off at Bannon soon. The man is too clever by half. Trump will decide that he no longer needs the rain maker to hold onto his people. And he will lose his famous loyalty when he realizes that instead of playing Bannon, Bannon is trying to play him.

Putin would have had the man shot long ago. Trump is a weakling.

Kim Jong-un would have him shot;
Putin is more subtle; The guy would just meet with an "accident", or have an undiagnosed medical emergency.

I recently read "The Dictators Handbook" and it pointed out that once an autocrat attains power, a purge of those who helped him is SOP, in order to reduce the number of powerbrokers who must be kept happy. Think "1979 Baath Party purge", or "Night of the Long Knives" for examples. So ditching Bannon would be in line with the methodology.

https://www.amazon.com/Dictators-Handbook-Behavior-Almost-Politics/dp/1610391845

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[billvon 3,116]

This is a great mental image:

"During his first two dizzying weeks in office, Mr. Trump, an outsider president working with a surprisingly small crew of no more than a half-dozen empowered aides with virtually no familiarity with the workings of the White House or federal government, sent shock waves at home and overseas with a succession of executive orders designed to fulfill campaign promises and taunt foreign leaders. . . ."

"Aides confer in the dark because they cannot figure out how to operate the light switches in the cabinet room. Visitors conclude their meetings and then wander around, testing doorknobs until finding one that leads to an exit."

Sleep well, America. Your government is literally stumbling around in the dark.

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ryoder

I recently read "The Dictators Handbook" and it pointed out that once an autocrat attains power, a purge of those who helped him is SOP, in order to reduce the number of powerbrokers who must be kept happy. Think "1979 Baath Party purge", or "Night of the Long Knives" for examples. So ditching Bannon would be in line with the methodology.

Yep, the reason is simple; those who can help put them in power can also help take them out. Better to get rid of them before they become an issue.

You'll notice how "loyal" Trump was to Christy for hanging around and supporting him all during the election.

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yoink

If you could get 'Bannon runs Trump. Trump is a weakling' to trend on twitter, I bet you $50 that the president would take that more seriously than anything he's being told by his cabinet...

I like it!!!

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[jakee 1,595]

quade

Can this even possibly be true; that Bannon slipped his NSC EO authorization in under Trump's nose and Trump didn't even realize what he was signing?

As mentioned before, Trump has previousy stated under oath that he does not read the particulars of documents and contracts he signs.

He has people for that. Great people. The best people! The documents they prepare are the most trustworthy. Everyone says so.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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ryoder

I recently read "The Dictators Handbook" and it pointed out that once an autocrat attains power, a purge of those who helped him is SOP.....
https://www.amazon.com/Dictators-Handbook-Behavior-Almost-Politics/dp/1610391845

Just got this. Thanks! I have a feeling it's going to be a little scary.

[ryoder 1,590]

jakee

***Can this even possibly be true; that Bannon slipped his NSC EO authorization in under Trump's nose and Trump didn't even realize what he was signing?

As mentioned before, Trump has previousy stated under oath that he does not read the particulars of documents and contracts he signs.

He has people for that. Great people. The best people! The documents they prepare are the most trustworthy. Everyone says so.

And he has also said that you should never hire people smarter than yourself.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/04/21/life-lessons-with-donald-never-hire-people-who-are-smarter-than-you-n2151620

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Phil1111 1,182]

quade

***I recently read "The Dictators Handbook" and it pointed out that once an autocrat attains power, a purge of those who helped him is SOP, in order to reduce the number of powerbrokers who must be kept happy. Think "1979 Baath Party purge", or "Night of the Long Knives" for examples. So ditching Bannon would be in line with the methodology.

Yep, the reason is simple; those who can help put them in power can also help take them out. Better to get rid of them before they become an issue.

You'll notice how "loyal" Trump was to Christy for hanging around and supporting him all during the election.

The history of "long knives" goes back 000's of years.The tribe killing the tribal leader who runs around defiling their daughters and wives.bannon has the smarts when it concerns trumps political base. So IMO it would be some time before he is dumped. Its all about the support of his base. For the voters who are more independent. There gone. Not likely to return.

For the rest of trumps base, I think he is tied to bannon because otherwise he would be nothing more than a run of the mill republican. His son in law has no base in the republican party. No real experience in politics. Who else support his ideology...er ideas?

Something is going on at the White House re the statements by Nikki Haley, re Russia. Statements about NATO by Mattis. Some other voice is filling trumps mind when bannon goes to the washroom. Who knows how long its going to be till there is a real fight with congress. When they vote against trump. trump will abandon republicans when they disagree with him. Like he abandons everyone else who disagrees with him. He should abandon bannon. But he needs him like a whore needs crack.

Keep in mind trumps mandate is four years,less two weeks.

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ryoder

******Can this even possibly be true; that Bannon slipped his NSC EO authorization in under Trump's nose and Trump didn't even realize what he was signing?

As mentioned before, Trump has previousy stated under oath that he does not read the particulars of documents and contracts he signs.

He has people for that. Great people. The best people! The documents they prepare are the most trustworthy. Everyone says so.

And he has also said that you should never hire people smarter than yourself.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/04/21/life-lessons-with-donald-never-hire-people-who-are-smarter-than-you-n2151620

Yeah before I even clicked on the link I knew that trump had said that. This quote says everything about trump. He believes that. He and his ego discount opinions of anyone who doesn't have more money than him or his own family. Evidently thats anyone worth over $400 million.

But instead of CIA directors its bannon at the table. Putin will have his ass in the next four years. But all is not lost. There is nothing that eight years of another presidency and the Judiciary can't undo.

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NewGuy2005

***I recently read "The Dictators Handbook" and it pointed out that once an autocrat attains power, a purge of those who helped him is SOP.....
https://www.amazon.com/Dictators-Handbook-Behavior-Almost-Politics/dp/1610391845

Just got this. Thanks! I have a feeling it's going to be a little scary.

My one-word summary: Depressing.
The theory is based on every decision made by politicians being based on the motivation of money and/or power.


Here is an interview of the authors a few days ago about Trump: http://www.salon.com/2017/02/04/all-political-leaders-would-rather-be-dictators-authors-of-the-dictators-handbook-on-whether-trump-can-pull-it-off/
The most encouraging part:

"I would add that as a matter of historical record the only times that a president has faced a serious threat of impeachment — or serious talk of impeachment — is when he had a divided government — that is, when the Congress was of a different party from the president. Trump is an interesting case because it’s not obvious that he’s a Republican. He’s certainly not a Democrat. Rather, he’s something else. So the divided government may or may not be in place."

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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ryoder

My one-word summary: Depressing.
The theory is based on every decision made by politicians being based on the motivation of money and/or power.

And the Pope is Catholic

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My one-word summary: Depressing.
The theory is based on every decision made by politicians being based on the motivation of money and/or power.

That's close. The actual motivation is fear. In this case fear of losing money and/or power. The more depressing thing is that fear is the main motivator behind nearly everything people do.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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ryoder

***Trump will get pissed off at Bannon soon. The man is too clever by half. Trump will decide that he no longer needs the rain maker to hold onto his people. And he will lose his famous loyalty when he realizes that instead of playing Bannon, Bannon is trying to play him.

Putin would have had the man shot long ago. Trump is a weakling.

Kim Jong-un would have him shot;
Putin is more subtle; The guy would just meet with an "accident", or have an undiagnosed medical emergency.

I recently read "The Dictators Handbook" and it pointed out that once an autocrat attains power, a purge of those who helped him is SOP, in order to reduce the number of powerbrokers who must be kept happy. Think "1979 Baath Party purge", or "Night of the Long Knives" for examples. So ditching Bannon would be in line with the methodology.

https://www.amazon.com/Dictators-Handbook-Behavior-Almost-Politics/dp/1610391845

I've been unsuccessfully trying to locate attribution for the principle that, after the revolution is successful, the first thing one must do is to kill the revolutionaries.

It seems that the propensity for overthrowing the regime in power is useful when you want to replace a particular regime, but not so much when you head the replacement regime.

Oddly enough, where various Anarchists are all sorts of pissed off at Trump, they overlook the fact that that's what anarchy looks like. So it ain't pretty? What did you expect?

Our current chief exectutive reminds me of Louden Wainwright IIIs song about New York, where he concludes "at least it's not boring." That and the Chinese curse that one should live in 'interesting times.'

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winsor

I've been unsuccessfully trying to locate attribution for the principle that, after the revolution is successful, the first thing one must do is to kill the revolutionaries.

It seems that the propensity for overthrowing the regime in power is useful when you want to replace a particular regime, but not so much when you head the replacement regime.

The book is good at giving real world examples of their concepts.
Castro also did lots of purging after the Cuban revolution.
A big motivation was that there were multiple groups of rebels, besides his own, who coordinated to overthrow Batista, and he didn't want any of them competing with him.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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Oddly enough, where various Anarchists are all sorts of pissed off at Trump, they overlook the fact that that's what anarchy looks like. So it ain't pretty? What did you expect?

This is a lot like how I feel about "libertarians". They are people who claim the don't want regulations. But what they really are is people who only want the rules that enable them to retain and/or increase their own status and wealth. Society would not work without rules.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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gowlerk

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Oddly enough, where various Anarchists are all sorts of pissed off at Trump, they overlook the fact that that's what anarchy looks like. So it ain't pretty? What did you expect?

This is a lot like how I feel about "libertarians". They are people who claim the don't want regulations. But what they really are is people who only want the rules that enable them to retain and/or increase their own status and wealth. Society would not work without rules.

It has been said that a libertarian is simply an anarchist with money.

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ryoder

******Can this even possibly be true; that Bannon slipped his NSC EO authorization in under Trump's nose and Trump didn't even realize what he was signing?

As mentioned before, Trump has previousy stated under oath that he does not read the particulars of documents and contracts he signs.

He has people for that. Great people. The best people! The documents they prepare are the most trustworthy. Everyone says so.

And he has also said that you should never hire people smarter than yourself.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/04/21/life-lessons-with-donald-never-hire-people-who-are-smarter-than-you-n2151620

In his case, that's setting a low bar.

Never try to eat more than you can lift