New Arkansas abortion law

[billvon 3,132]

A new abortion law just enacted in Arkansas allows rapists to prevent their victims from getting an abortion if they get them pregnant.

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New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions

An Arkansas law makes performing the procedure used in 95 percent of second trimesters a felony, with no exception for rape or incest—and allows family members to stop it.

Kelly Weill
02.01.17 9:00 PM ET

A new Arkansas law bans one of the safest and most common abortion procedures and allows family members to block an abortion by suing the abortion provider.

Arkansas Act 45, signed by Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson last Thursday, bans dilation and evacuation abortions, the most common abortion procedure during the second trimester of pregnancy. Rushed from filing to law in less than two months, the legislation effectively blocks abortions after 14 weeks by making the safest procedure a felony.

With no exception for rape or incest, and a clause that allows a woman’s spouse or parent to sue an abortion provider, the law potentially allows the fetus’s father to sue even in cases of spousal rape or incest, abortion rights activists say. The law could go into effect as early as spring.

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Because Act 45 does not provide any exceptions for cases of rape or incest, the clause could allow the fetus’s father to sue an abortion provider even in cases of spousal rape or incest.

Asked whether the clause would allow a father to sue in cases of spousal rape or incest, Mayberry told The Daily Beast that the “bill wouldn’t affect a woman seeking an abortion by any other method” than dilation and evacuation, and that the bill prohibited the father from winning monetary damages in the event of rape or incest. The bill would not, however, prevent the father from seeking injunctive relief to stop an abortion under these circumstances.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/02/new-law-lets-dads-veto-abortions.html
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[GeorgiaDon 385]

Coming up: more taxpayer money wasted in defending an unsupportable bill before the Supreme Court (at least until Trump gets one more appointment).

Don

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[JerryBaumchen 1,473]

Hi Bill,

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A new abortion law just enacted in Arkansas allows rapists to prevent their victims

Well, their license plates do use the motto: Land of Opportunity

Jerry Baumchen

[Bolas 5]

GeorgiaDon

Coming up: more taxpayer money wasted in defending an unsupportable bill before the Supreme Court (at least until Trump gets one more appointment).

Don

Same can be said for gun laws.

Republicans need to leave uteruses (uteri? ) alone, Democrats need to leave guns alone.
Until one or the other starts passing laws mandating guns or abortion, the argument for both is simple: Don't want one? Don't get one.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[wmw999 2,602]

And when that gun you wanted and I didn't can't impact me that sounds fine. i haven't heard of an abortion being stolen in a break-in, or used by someone under the influence of drugs, alcohol, hormones, or mental illness to attack outsiders.

Abortions have their own issue; the decision as to when an embryo or fetus becomes a human. But it, like everything else, has become politicized and turned into a wedge to drive people apart.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[ryoder 1,590]

wmw999

And when that gun you wanted and I didn't can't impact me that sounds fine. i haven't heard of an abortion being stolen in a break-in, or used by someone under the influence of drugs, alcohol, hormones, or mental illness to attack outsiders.

And bystanders rarely get hit in drive-by abortions.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Royreader8812 0]

This doesn't seem to stop abortions from being performed. Just a certain procedure for late term terminations.

If someone is raped, they will be able to tell by the end of the first trimester, and removing the embryo or early stage fetus.

Doing a pregnancy test after 12 weeks is probably a rare occutance after a rape.

[NewGuy2005 53]

wmw999

....Abortions have their own issue; the decision as to when an embryo or fetus becomes a human. But it, like everything else, has become politicized and turned into a wedge to drive people apart.

Wendy P.

This is one of the few sensible things said on this topic in this forum.

The first question that must be answered about abortion is: At what point along the continuum of conception to birth does a human life begin? Everything else is obfuscation.

[gowlerk 2,285]

Royreader8812

This doesn't seem to stop abortions from being performed. Just a certain procedure for late term terminations.

If someone is raped, they will be able to tell by the end of the first trimester, and removing the embryo or early stage fetus.

Doing a pregnancy test after 12 weeks is probably a rare occutance after a rape.

So comrade....what do you think the purpose of the law is? Certainly nothing to do with "late term abortions" under any current meaning of the term.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[jakee 1,611]

Royreader8812

This doesn't seem to stop abortions from being performed. Just a certain procedure for late term terminations.

A group of procedures that are the safest and easiest. So what is the justifiation? How does it pass the Roe v Wade test?

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If someone is raped, they will be able to tell by the end of the first trimester, and removing the embryo or early stage fetus.

Doing a pregnancy test after 12 weeks is probably a rare occurance after a rape.

Spousal rape or incest is the question here. Women in abusive relationships may well have, or feel they have, very little control over their own lives or their own movements. They can't walk out the door to go and visit a friend without fear of violent reprisal, let alone walk out the door to go and have an abortion.

It is not only possible, but entirely logical and plausible that it could take months for a victim of spousal rape to find both the courage and opportunity to go against the wishes of her husband. To leave open the chance that her abusive husband may be able to use the court system to take that opportunity away is, quite frankly, an unimaginable level of cruelty

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Bolas 5]

NewGuy2005

***....Abortions have their own issue; the decision as to when an embryo or fetus becomes a human. But it, like everything else, has become politicized and turned into a wedge to drive people apart.

Wendy P.

This is one of the few sensible things said on this topic in this forum.

The first question that must be answered about abortion is: At what point along the continuum of conception to birth does a human life begin? Everything else is obfuscation.

When able to survive outside of the womb without the aid of machines.

Prior to that, it's solely the fetus carriers decision what she chooses to do with her body's biological processes.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[billvon 3,132]

>At what point along the continuum of conception to birth does a human life begin?

As soon as the egg is fertilized. At that point it starts growing and, barring mishaps, will grow into an adult.

[NewGuy2005 53]

Bolas

When able to survive outside of the womb without the aid of machines.

So, once machines are not required, it's no longer OK? What about an hour before machines are no longer required. It will be OK, then?

Some babies born at full term require machines to survive outside the womb. Would it be OK to abort them at full term?

What if it's a big machine vs. a small machine? Does that come into play?

[NewGuy2005 53]

Bolas

When able to survive outside of the womb without the aid of machines.

When does this moment occur? Does each and every person become a person at this same moment? Do we rely on the Supreme Court to tell us when this moment is?

[TriGirl 349]

jakee

***If someone is raped, they will be able to tell by the end of the first trimester, and removing the embryo or early stage fetus.

Doing a pregnancy test after 12 weeks is probably a rare occurance after a rape.

Spousal rape or incest is the question here. Women in abusive relationships may well have, or feel they have, very little control over their own lives or their own movements. They can't walk out the door to go and visit a friend without fear of violent reprisal, let alone walk out the door to go and have an abortion.
And neither of you even mention the young girl who is assaulted (oft times repeatedly) by the older male (neighbor, brother, brother's friend, uncle, father, cousin, teacher, etc), who has no idea what to look for, and is too scared to tell anyone anyway.

See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus

Shut Up & Jump!

[SkyDekker 1,465]

wmw999

And when that gun you wanted and I didn't can't impact me that sounds fine. i haven't heard of an abortion being stolen in a break-in, or used by someone under the influence of drugs, alcohol, hormones, or mental illness to attack outsiders.

Abortions have their own issue; the decision as to when an embryo or fetus becomes a human. But it, like everything else, has become politicized and turned into a wedge to drive people apart.

Wendy P.

And we have lots of examples where not performing an abortion resulted in the deaths of lots of people...

[Bolas 5]

NewGuy2005

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When able to survive outside of the womb without the aid of machines.

When does this moment occur? Does each and every person become a person at this same moment? Do we rely on the Supreme Court to tell us when this moment is?

Nope. That's between the patient and her doctor.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[wmw999 2,602]

Well, Hitler could have been aborted

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[SkyDekker 1,465]

wmw999

Well, Hitler could have been aborted

Wendy P.

Which just proves that those against abortion are pro-hitler.