billvon 3,111 #26 February 1, 2017 >We are talking Senate seats in red states where Trump won, national polls are >meaningless. "I obstructed Trump with everything I had" might not have a nice >ring to it in Montana where Trump won by more than 20%. It will when his approval ratings in Montana follow the national trend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #27 February 1, 2017 We will see. On a positive note Tillerson is now Secretary of State. It will be nice to have a top diplomat who is not a failed presidential candidate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 343 #28 February 1, 2017 DanGYou're assuming people will just as enthusiastic about Trump in two years. You're also assuming the anti-Hillary crowd is still going to vote GOP. And that everyone who voted in 2016 is going to vote in the mid-terms.See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus Shut Up & Jump! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 343 #29 February 1, 2017 SkyDekker***In economics psychology trumps policy. The Great Recession kicked into high gear when it became apparent that Barack spread-the-wealth-around Obama could be our next president. The market skyrocketed 1000 points after Trump won. My economics professors did not like it when I said it in business school but economics is just social studies with math. Market is much more reactionary than job creation. Few companies would start hiring staff based on what might be the result of Trump's policies. In other words, it is a lagging indicator. The markets did jump with Trump's election. part of the reason they have stayed up is that earnings have been generally positive. Like I said, too early to pin this on Trump. And then they dropped over the weekend after the immigration EO.See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus Shut Up & Jump! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 343 #30 February 1, 2017 billvon>There are ten Democratic Senators up for reelection in 2018 from states that >Trump won. The base is demanding scorched earth and no compromise. That >approach may work in California but not so well in Montana. I think it will work quite well. Trump had the lowest approval ratings in recent history when he started, and they are still dropping. By the next midterms, "I fought Trump with everything I had" is going to appeal to more people than "I rolled over."Even more valuable would be, "I fought idiocy with everything I had. I voted in the interest of the country and behaved like a professional in response to childish bullies."See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus Shut Up & Jump! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #31 February 2, 2017 billvon>Instead of choosing their battles and keeping their powder dry for a meaningful >fight, such as the possible replacement of RBG, they are being forced by their >base to mount hopeless kamikaze attacks, expending political capital for no gain. So they should not do what they think is right because they might lose. I recall your support for the over 60 pointless attempts to repeal Obamacare under Obama. I don't recall that. I'm not saying that it didn't happen I just don't remember, can you give me an example? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #32 February 2, 2017 TriGirl***You're assuming people will just as enthusiastic about Trump in two years. You're also assuming the anti-Hillary crowd is still going to vote GOP. And that everyone who voted in 2016 is going to vote in the mid-terms. No they won't. That is the point. Mid term voters are older, less diverse, more white and much more Republican. Now that the oft ignored rural America has had a taste of success I doubt they will disengage during the mid-terms. OTOH Dems on the west coast and northeast will show up in record number ensuring California, Oregon, New York and Massachusetts remain blue, while potentially loosing Montana, North Dakota, West Virginia, Missouri, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Maine.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #33 February 2, 2017 TriGirl***You're assuming people will just as enthusiastic about Trump in two years. You're also assuming the anti-Hillary crowd is still going to vote GOP. And that everyone who voted in 2016 is going to vote in the mid-terms. Agreed. The liberals just might show up and vote this time.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #34 February 2, 2017 http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/22/democrats-face-grim-prospects-in-2018-midterm-elec/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #35 February 2, 2017 We need a sarcasm font.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #36 February 2, 2017 Studies have shown, the winkie faced emoji is the best for conveying sardonic humor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,274 #37 February 2, 2017 QuoteWe need a sarcasm font. Man up, use words. Did Swift need "fonts" and "Emoji"? God gave us the magnificent gift of the English language. The next thing you'll be asking an Arabic font. And you'll be asking if you can type right to left.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #38 February 2, 2017 gowlerkQuoteWe need a sarcasm font. Man up, use words. Did Swift need "fonts" and "Emoji"? God gave us the magnificent gift of the English language. The next thing you'll be asking an Arabic font. And you'll be asking if you can type right to left. The fonts and emojis are not needed for the authors they are needed for the readers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #39 February 2, 2017 gowlerk And you'll be asking if you can type right to left. 30 years ago, I had a potential customer from Israel. When he whipped out his calendar to discuss the project schedule, I commented that if we too had a calendar that ran backwards, we could meet the deadline. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #40 February 2, 2017 brenthutchIn economics psychology trumps policy. The Great Recession kicked into high gear when it became apparent that Barack spread-the-wealth-around Obama could be our next president. According to the NBER, which is the official arbiter of such things, the "great recession" started in the 4th quarter of 2007 and ended in the 2nd quarter of 2009, shortly after Obama became president. Your statement is, therefore, alt-factual.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #41 February 2, 2017 Obama secured the nomination on June 3, 2008 then Sept. 15: Lehman Brothers files the largest bankruptcy case in US history. Oct. 6-10: The Dow suffers its worst weekly loss in history, falling 1,874 points, or 18 percent.Quote Nov. unemployment swells to 13.3% compared to 8.7% at the start of the recession. Just as I said. Although I realize "kicked into high gear" may be a maxim beyond your grasp. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airdvr 210 #42 February 2, 2017 gowlerk Quote We need a sarcasm font. Man up, use words. Did Swift need "fonts" and "Emoji"? God gave us the magnificent gift of the English language. The next thing you'll be asking an Arabic font. And you'll be asking if you can type right to left. Quote Agreed. The liberals just might show up and vote this time. I guess this doesn't count for words? Happy now?Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,594 #43 February 2, 2017 QuoteNow that the oft ignored rural America has had a taste of success I doubt they will disengage during the mid-terms. Oft ignored? Assuming rural means red, they've had two of the last four Presidents (four of the last six)and swung two of the last six elections against the popular vote. How greedy are they?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brenthutch 444 #44 February 2, 2017 jakeeQuoteNow that the oft ignored rural America has had a taste of success I doubt they will disengage during the mid-terms. Oft ignored? Assuming rural means red, they've had two of the last four Presidents (four of the last six)and swung two of the last six elections against the popular vote. How greedy are they? No I mean folks who had never voted or had checked out of the political process. When it took me five minutes to vote in (blue) Center County and there reports of two hour lines in rural Perry County, I called my brother in Florida and told him Trump was going to take PA, he laughed at me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,594 #45 February 2, 2017 brenthutch***QuoteNow that the oft ignored rural America has had a taste of success I doubt they will disengage during the mid-terms. Oft ignored? Assuming rural means red, they've had two of the last four Presidents (four of the last six)and swung two of the last six elections against the popular vote. How greedy are they? No I mean folks who had never voted or had checked out of the political process. When it took me five minutes to vote in (blue) Center County and there reports of two hour lines in rural Perry County, I called my brother in Florida and told him Trump was going to take PA, he laughed at me. BTW I had to wait in line for nearly an hour for Obama's elections Strange choice of words then! Voting is how you make your political voice heard. Not voting means there was nothing to ignore.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brenthutch 444 #46 February 2, 2017 They were ignored by the pollsters They were ignored by the press They were ignored by Democrats They are ignored no more Political conversation is a two way street, and nobody was talking to these voters until Trump. He spoke to them and they spoke back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,587 #47 February 2, 2017 And as they get old and die, their kids will move to cities where the jobs are. Jobs that are increasingly subsistence, because of the emphasis on making sure that rich people keep what they have. Just as poor people (generally through necessity) buy foreign-made stuff at Walmart because it's cheaper, rich people buy foreign-made stuff, and hire the cheapest help they can as well. If they can keep all that help cheaper, they're happier. I'm not saying that I hire the most expensive service for whatever I don't do myself. I'm human, too. In a system where the power is concentrated in one area, that area will end up seeing that as normal, and will focus on a loss of power as being wrong -- even if it's a return to what used to be true. Kind of like how white men see the incursion of women and minorities into what used to be clubs of some job classes as an assault on the way things oughta be. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Phil1111 1,173 #48 February 2, 2017 brenthutchThey were ignored by the pollsters They were ignored by the press They were ignored by Democrats They are ignored no more Political conversation is a two way street, and nobody was talking to these voters until Trump. He spoke to them and they spoke back. and democracy is to protect and represent all. Work for the good of the country. Work for those who didn't vote, who voted against, who will be born in the next four years. To protect minorities, religions, the weak, the vulnerable and the old. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brenthutch 444 #49 February 2, 2017 Phil1111***They were ignored by the pollsters They were ignored by the press They were ignored by Democrats They are ignored no more Political conversation is a two way street, and nobody was talking to these voters until Trump. He spoke to them and they spoke back. and democracy is to protect and represent all. Work for the good of the country. Work for those who didn't vote, who voted against, who will be born in the next four years. To protect minorities, religions, the weak, the vulnerable and the old. What is the definition of "for the good of the country?" You mentioned those who will be born in the next four years. Some folks think that it is in the best interest of our country that the yet to be born should be protected other folks think it is in the best interest of our country that the unborn should not be protected. I am not taking a position, I am just pointing out that determining just what is best for our country is not so simple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Phil1111 1,173 #50 February 2, 2017 brenthutch******They were ignored by the pollsters They were ignored by the press They were ignored by Democrats They are ignored no more Political conversation is a two way street, and nobody was talking to these voters until Trump. He spoke to them and they spoke back. and democracy is to protect and represent all. Work for the good of the country. Work for those who didn't vote, who voted against, who will be born in the next four years. To protect minorities, religions, the weak, the vulnerable and the old. What is the definition of "for the good of the country?" You mentioned those who will be born in the next four years. Some folks think that it is in the best interest of our country that the yet to be born should be protected other folks think it is in the best interest of our country that the unborn should not be protected. I am not taking a position, I am just pointing out that determining just what is best for our country is not so simple. Believe it or not there are republicans that have been conservative all their lives. People that abhor the idea that people should get a free ride, on welfare, food stamps, subsidized housing. People that see the waste in government, the corruption in government and want to do something about it. Have done something about it. President Bush and Barbra Bush both stated that they were abstaining from voting in this election. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/limbaugh-george-w-bush-and-laura-bush-are-with-her.html Believe it or not there are swing voters and independents. Politics is not a zero sum game. But trump has continued with his divisive agenda. Thats the problem. trump could have tried to sit down with republicans for a common agenda. Could have reached out to democrats. Hell he could have at least made a effort to lock up HRC and Bill in the same cell!!. The statute of limitations on Whitewater is over. But surely he could have at least tried. trump could have introduced price matching for US prescription drugs. Forcing all pharma companies to match in the US the same prices that they sell in the rest of the world. Introduced a stranded profits bill to allow US corporations to bring back profits that they hold offshore to avoid high US taxes. Instead is the b.s. on immigration. His honeymoon isn't going to last 100 days at the rate he's going. Maybe fifty days if he is lucky. He did a pipeline order that I agree with. Obama gave pardons to a bunch of drug dealers and convicted traitors. Which was a mistake. Obama drew a line in the sand with Assad in Syria. Then backed away making the US appear weak and loosing regional support. trump refuses to concede mistake. Refuses to see a middle ground. I suggest a mirror. 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airdvr 210 #42 February 2, 2017 gowlerk Quote We need a sarcasm font. Man up, use words. Did Swift need "fonts" and "Emoji"? God gave us the magnificent gift of the English language. The next thing you'll be asking an Arabic font. And you'll be asking if you can type right to left. Quote Agreed. The liberals just might show up and vote this time. I guess this doesn't count for words? Happy now?Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #43 February 2, 2017 QuoteNow that the oft ignored rural America has had a taste of success I doubt they will disengage during the mid-terms. Oft ignored? Assuming rural means red, they've had two of the last four Presidents (four of the last six)and swung two of the last six elections against the popular vote. How greedy are they?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #44 February 2, 2017 jakeeQuoteNow that the oft ignored rural America has had a taste of success I doubt they will disengage during the mid-terms. Oft ignored? Assuming rural means red, they've had two of the last four Presidents (four of the last six)and swung two of the last six elections against the popular vote. How greedy are they? No I mean folks who had never voted or had checked out of the political process. When it took me five minutes to vote in (blue) Center County and there reports of two hour lines in rural Perry County, I called my brother in Florida and told him Trump was going to take PA, he laughed at me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #45 February 2, 2017 brenthutch***QuoteNow that the oft ignored rural America has had a taste of success I doubt they will disengage during the mid-terms. Oft ignored? Assuming rural means red, they've had two of the last four Presidents (four of the last six)and swung two of the last six elections against the popular vote. How greedy are they? No I mean folks who had never voted or had checked out of the political process. When it took me five minutes to vote in (blue) Center County and there reports of two hour lines in rural Perry County, I called my brother in Florida and told him Trump was going to take PA, he laughed at me. BTW I had to wait in line for nearly an hour for Obama's elections Strange choice of words then! Voting is how you make your political voice heard. Not voting means there was nothing to ignore.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #46 February 2, 2017 They were ignored by the pollsters They were ignored by the press They were ignored by Democrats They are ignored no more Political conversation is a two way street, and nobody was talking to these voters until Trump. He spoke to them and they spoke back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,587 #47 February 2, 2017 And as they get old and die, their kids will move to cities where the jobs are. Jobs that are increasingly subsistence, because of the emphasis on making sure that rich people keep what they have. Just as poor people (generally through necessity) buy foreign-made stuff at Walmart because it's cheaper, rich people buy foreign-made stuff, and hire the cheapest help they can as well. If they can keep all that help cheaper, they're happier. I'm not saying that I hire the most expensive service for whatever I don't do myself. I'm human, too. In a system where the power is concentrated in one area, that area will end up seeing that as normal, and will focus on a loss of power as being wrong -- even if it's a return to what used to be true. Kind of like how white men see the incursion of women and minorities into what used to be clubs of some job classes as an assault on the way things oughta be. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,173 #48 February 2, 2017 brenthutchThey were ignored by the pollsters They were ignored by the press They were ignored by Democrats They are ignored no more Political conversation is a two way street, and nobody was talking to these voters until Trump. He spoke to them and they spoke back. and democracy is to protect and represent all. Work for the good of the country. Work for those who didn't vote, who voted against, who will be born in the next four years. To protect minorities, religions, the weak, the vulnerable and the old. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #49 February 2, 2017 Phil1111***They were ignored by the pollsters They were ignored by the press They were ignored by Democrats They are ignored no more Political conversation is a two way street, and nobody was talking to these voters until Trump. He spoke to them and they spoke back. and democracy is to protect and represent all. Work for the good of the country. Work for those who didn't vote, who voted against, who will be born in the next four years. To protect minorities, religions, the weak, the vulnerable and the old. What is the definition of "for the good of the country?" You mentioned those who will be born in the next four years. Some folks think that it is in the best interest of our country that the yet to be born should be protected other folks think it is in the best interest of our country that the unborn should not be protected. I am not taking a position, I am just pointing out that determining just what is best for our country is not so simple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,173 #50 February 2, 2017 brenthutch******They were ignored by the pollsters They were ignored by the press They were ignored by Democrats They are ignored no more Political conversation is a two way street, and nobody was talking to these voters until Trump. He spoke to them and they spoke back. and democracy is to protect and represent all. Work for the good of the country. Work for those who didn't vote, who voted against, who will be born in the next four years. To protect minorities, religions, the weak, the vulnerable and the old. What is the definition of "for the good of the country?" You mentioned those who will be born in the next four years. Some folks think that it is in the best interest of our country that the yet to be born should be protected other folks think it is in the best interest of our country that the unborn should not be protected. I am not taking a position, I am just pointing out that determining just what is best for our country is not so simple. Believe it or not there are republicans that have been conservative all their lives. People that abhor the idea that people should get a free ride, on welfare, food stamps, subsidized housing. People that see the waste in government, the corruption in government and want to do something about it. Have done something about it. President Bush and Barbra Bush both stated that they were abstaining from voting in this election. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/limbaugh-george-w-bush-and-laura-bush-are-with-her.html Believe it or not there are swing voters and independents. Politics is not a zero sum game. But trump has continued with his divisive agenda. Thats the problem. trump could have tried to sit down with republicans for a common agenda. Could have reached out to democrats. Hell he could have at least made a effort to lock up HRC and Bill in the same cell!!. The statute of limitations on Whitewater is over. But surely he could have at least tried. trump could have introduced price matching for US prescription drugs. Forcing all pharma companies to match in the US the same prices that they sell in the rest of the world. Introduced a stranded profits bill to allow US corporations to bring back profits that they hold offshore to avoid high US taxes. Instead is the b.s. on immigration. His honeymoon isn't going to last 100 days at the rate he's going. Maybe fifty days if he is lucky. He did a pipeline order that I agree with. Obama gave pardons to a bunch of drug dealers and convicted traitors. Which was a mistake. Obama drew a line in the sand with Assad in Syria. Then backed away making the US appear weak and loosing regional support. trump refuses to concede mistake. Refuses to see a middle ground. I suggest a mirror. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
