Democrats Self Immolate

[jakee 1,594]

brenthutch

The main villain in the Great Recession was the greedy American people. Banks just found ways meet that demand. Clinton and Bush can take some blame for policies which pushed home ownership on folks who had neither the financial nor social wearwithal to handle it. Barney Frank said he had no problem rolling the dice with the banks money, if it ment more home ownership for the poor. This created an artificial demand spike which effected the whole housing market.

So you're not only no longer supporting your earlier statement, you're actively arguing against it?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[airdvr 210]

Revisionist history. Clinton pressured Fannie and Freddie to lower their underwriting standards in the 90's. Bush warned congress that Fannie and Freddie were potential problems in 2001.

By 2005 the hot mess was getting ready to boil over. Barney Frank doubled down and told congress everything was OK.

The banks knew they had shit for loans and started dumping them. When so many went belly up on the insured CDOs the insurers (AIG et.al) didn't have the capital to pay the claims. And the house of cards came tumbling down.

Who was at fault? Everyone. Mostly the financial institutions. But to lay that recession as W's complete and total responsibility is to ignore the facts.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[jakee 1,594]

airdvr

Revisionist history.

What is, Brent's post? Take that up with him, I'm not defending it.

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But to lay that recession as W's complete and total responsibility is to ignore the facts.

I think you're confused. This discussion started because Brent was blaming Obama for the recession getting worse before he even took office. Brent is also the only person in this thread to have even mentioned Bush's name.

So to be honest, I really have no idea what you think you're replying to?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[normiss 892]

People tend to click reply to the previous post.
Think group discussion.
Like a bonfire if you will.

[Bob_Church 7]

It would be nice to have a button to reply without listing a "reply to" person. But I doubt that's in the package.

[wmw999 2,584]

You can always just edit the Re: line in the subject. I do that sometimes.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[jakee 1,594]

normiss

People tend to click reply to the previous post.
Think group discussion.
Like a bonfire if you will.

Sure. But in the entire thread I still have no idea who he thinks he's talking to.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,594]

Bob_Church

It would be nice to have a button to reply without listing a "reply to" person. But I doubt that's in the package.

It's magic!

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Phil1111 1,173]

"Hundreds have responded to a Facebook "Chicago moons Trump Tower" event, during which protesters plan to drop their trousers in front of Trump Tower Chicago.

According to the Facebook page for the event titled "Operation "Kiss Our Asses, Release Your Taxes," the goal of the protest is to get President Trump to release his tax returns.

"In 2006, a Maryland state circuit court determined that mooning is a form of artistic expression protected by the First Amendment as a form of speech," the event page says. "Donald Trump doesn't think the American people want to see his tax returns, so let's show him that we do in the classiest way possible!"

Protestors will meet at 3:30 p.m. on Sunday, Feb. 12 at Trump Tower Chicago, and plan to moon the building for 10 seconds starting at 4 p.m. in what event organizers call "a powerful message to Washington elites."
http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/317873-hundreds-plan-to-moon-trump-tower-in-protest

Sure I'll buy a condo in a trump building and look at a bunch of_______ for the next four years. Honey what was the name of that real estate broker "Anywhere But Here".

[billvon 3,110]

rushmc

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I recall your support for the over 60 pointless attempts to repeal Obamacare under Obama

It is going to get done this time
Even your own party is laughing at you now! Boehner today:

"They'll fix Obamacare. I shouldn't have called it repeal and replace because that's not what's going to happen. They're basically going to fix the flaws and put a more conservative box around it. . . . All this happy talk that went on in November and December and January about repeal, repeal, repeal -- yeah we'll do replace, replace -- I started laughing because if you pass repeal without replace, first, anything that happens is your fault. You broke it."

He's laughing at all the people who actually believed the GOP's ~60 fake attempts to repeal it. Looks like it worked on you.

[normiss 892]

Once they understood what it really is, it's really just a desire to remove the Obama part of it at that point.

Replace with Trump brand, license fees applied, residuals in the pocket.
Nobody does better healthcare than Trump, bahleave me.

[billvon 3,110]

rushmc

It is going to get done this time

Update:

Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL): "I don't know if we're going to be able to repeal Obamacare now because these folks who support Obamacare are very active, they're putting pressure on congressman and there's not a counter-effort to steal the spine of some of these congressmen in tossup districts around the country. And you may not even see a vote to repeal Obamacare, you might see something where they call it a repeal but really it's an amendment. You and I have talked about this before. We need an outright repeal of Obamacare and then whatever's gonna come after it, fine, let's have that discussion. But this monstrosity needs to be repealed and right now, in my judgment, we don't have the votes in Congress to pass a repeal bill, in part because of what these people are doing."

No wonder republicans are avoiding town hall meetings. They might have to listen to the will of the people, and that will hamper them from making decisions that oppose that will!

[kallend 2,146]

billvon

***It is going to get done this time

Update:

Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL): "I don't know if we're going to be able to repeal Obamacare now because these folks who support Obamacare are very active, they're putting pressure on congressman and there's not a counter-effort to steal the spine of some of these congressmen in tossup districts around the country. And you may not even see a vote to repeal Obamacare, you might see something where they call it a repeal but really it's an amendment. You and I have talked about this before. We need an outright repeal of Obamacare and then whatever's gonna come after it, fine, let's have that discussion. But this monstrosity needs to be repealed and right now, in my judgment, we don't have the votes in Congress to pass a repeal bill, in part because of what these people are doing."

No wonder republicans are avoiding town hall meetings. They might have to listen to the will of the people, and that will hamper them from making decisions that oppose that will!

What rubbish, billvon!

It was repealed and replaced "immediately" Trump became president, just like he told us (last Nov. 1) that it would be. He wouldn't make promises he didn't keep.

It's just that the repeal and replace was secret, known only to Trump.

Just like the tax returns he secretly released.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[headoverheels 334]

billvon

...and there's not a counter-effort to steal the spine of some of these congressmen in tossup districts around the country.

It looks as though someone already did steal their spines. Maybe they should steel their spines instead.

[Lawndarter 3]

normiss

Once they understood what it really is, it's really just a desire to remove the Obama part of it at that point.

The humourous irony is that it was them that started calling it "Obamacare", and the name stuck.

[airdvr 210]

kallend

******It is going to get done this time

Update:

Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL): "I don't know if we're going to be able to repeal Obamacare now because these folks who support Obamacare are very active, they're putting pressure on congressman and there's not a counter-effort to steal the spine of some of these congressmen in tossup districts around the country. And you may not even see a vote to repeal Obamacare, you might see something where they call it a repeal but really it's an amendment. You and I have talked about this before. We need an outright repeal of Obamacare and then whatever's gonna come after it, fine, let's have that discussion. But this monstrosity needs to be repealed and right now, in my judgment, we don't have the votes in Congress to pass a repeal bill, in part because of what these people are doing."

No wonder republicans are avoiding town hall meetings. They might have to listen to the will of the people, and that will hamper them from making decisions that oppose that will!

What rubbish, billvon!

It was repealed and replaced "immediately" Trump became president, just like he told us (last Nov. 1) that it would be. He wouldn't make promises he didn't keep.

It's just that the repeal and replace was secret, known only to Trump.

Just like the tax returns he secretly released.

Last time I checked GITMO was still open.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[kallend 2,146]

airdvr

*********It is going to get done this time

Update:

Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL): "I don't know if we're going to be able to repeal Obamacare now because these folks who support Obamacare are very active, they're putting pressure on congressman and there's not a counter-effort to steal the spine of some of these congressmen in tossup districts around the country. And you may not even see a vote to repeal Obamacare, you might see something where they call it a repeal but really it's an amendment. You and I have talked about this before. We need an outright repeal of Obamacare and then whatever's gonna come after it, fine, let's have that discussion. But this monstrosity needs to be repealed and right now, in my judgment, we don't have the votes in Congress to pass a repeal bill, in part because of what these people are doing."

No wonder republicans are avoiding town hall meetings. They might have to listen to the will of the people, and that will hamper them from making decisions that oppose that will!

What rubbish, billvon!

It was repealed and replaced "immediately" Trump became president, just like he told us (last Nov. 1) that it would be. He wouldn't make promises he didn't keep.

It's just that the repeal and replace was secret, known only to Trump.

Just like the tax returns he secretly released.

Last time I checked GITMO was still open.

Lame-O, considering it's the GOP that prevented its closing.

Even YOU can do better if you really try.

thinkprogress.org/trump-broke-64-promises-in-his-first-month-in-office-5470f2c337e1#.j86az19yp

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[airdvr 210]

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Lame-O, considering it's the GOP that prevented its closing.

Yea? Well that's like, your opinion man.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[catfishhunter 2]

billvon

>There are ten Democratic Senators up for reelection in 2018 from states that
>Trump won. The base is demanding scorched earth and no compromise. That
>approach may work in California but not so well in Montana.

I think it will work quite well. Trump had the lowest approval ratings in recent history when he started, and they are still dropping. By the next midterms, "I fought Trump with everything I had" is going to appeal to more people than "I rolled over."

ROFLMFAO wanna make a bet? You lose you, delete your DZ account and disappear forever. Deal?

MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT
Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

[RonD1120 62]

catfishhunter

***>There are ten Democratic Senators up for reelection in 2018 from states that
>Trump won. The base is demanding scorched earth and no compromise. That
>approach may work in California but not so well in Montana.

I think it will work quite well. Trump had the lowest approval ratings in recent history when he started, and they are still dropping. By the next midterms, "I fought Trump with everything I had" is going to appeal to more people than "I rolled over."

ROFLMFAO wanna make a bet? You lose you, delete your DZ account and disappear forever. Deal?

After watching President Trump's address last night and observing how the Democrats disgraced themselves with their petulant behavior, I think they had better show willingness to compromise. If not they will looking for a career change come 2018.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Typical.

Republicans unwillingness to compromise should be celebrated and is a clear sign they are standing firm on their beliefs.

Democrats better compromise or else...

[Phil1111 1,173]

RonD1120

******>There are ten Democratic Senators up for reelection in 2018 from states that
>Trump won. The base is demanding scorched earth and no compromise. That
>approach may work in California but not so well in Montana.

I think it will work quite well. Trump had the lowest approval ratings in recent history when he started, and they are still dropping. By the next midterms, "I fought Trump with everything I had" is going to appeal to more people than "I rolled over."

ROFLMFAO wanna make a bet? You lose you, delete your DZ account and disappear forever. Deal?

After watching President Trump's address last night and observing how the Democrats disgraced themselves with their petulant behavior, I think they had better show willingness to compromise. If not they will looking for a career change come 2018.

The trouble with trump and the speech is that there is never, not ever, NEVER, been a consistent, coherent message.

-NATO
-Immigration
-US leadership
- Washington corruption
-Iran
Above are merely the POLICY changes, flips, flops, walkbacks, in the first 1/3 of his speech. Not reflecting in any fashion the outright lies in the first 1/3.

[Lawndarter 3]

RonD1120

******>There are ten Democratic Senators up for reelection in 2018 from states that
>Trump won. The base is demanding scorched earth and no compromise. That
>approach may work in California but not so well in Montana.

I think it will work quite well. Trump had the lowest approval ratings in recent history when he started, and they are still dropping. By the next midterms, "I fought Trump with everything I had" is going to appeal to more people than "I rolled over."

ROFLMFAO wanna make a bet? You lose you, delete your DZ account and disappear forever. Deal?

After watching President Trump's address last night and observing how the Democrats disgraced themselves with their petulant behavior, I think they had better show willingness to compromise. If not they will looking for a career change come 2018.

I expect, and hope, that they will fight him in way the GOP fought President Obama on everything. The midterms will hopefully turn on disillusioned Trump voters who realized they were totally conned.

[kallend 2,146]

RonD1120

******>There are ten Democratic Senators up for reelection in 2018 from states that
>Trump won. The base is demanding scorched earth and no compromise. That
>approach may work in California but not so well in Montana.

I think it will work quite well. Trump had the lowest approval ratings in recent history when he started, and they are still dropping. By the next midterms, "I fought Trump with everything I had" is going to appeal to more people than "I rolled over."

ROFLMFAO wanna make a bet? You lose you, delete your DZ account and disappear forever. Deal?

After watching President Trump's address last night and observing how the Democrats disgraced themselves with their petulant behavior, I think they had better show willingness to compromise. If not they will looking for a career change come 2018.

Petulant? I imagine they were just disgusted at his repeated lying.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

One of Trunp's biggest supporters here, Rush, was very upset with Hillary because she had lied.

His steadfast and continued support makes me chuckle every time. I know I shouldn't, but I just can't help it.