Phil1111 1,183 #26 January 30, 2017 Evidently the suspect arrested is a university student studying Political Science. "The young man, who dressed up as the Grim Reaper for Halloween, also “liked” Donald Trump, French Front National leader Marine Le Pen and Mathieu Bock-Cóté, a Quebec City columnist known for his pro-nationalist and anti-multicultural views. http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/quebec-mosque-shooting-suspect-to-appear-in-court-monday-afternoon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #27 January 30, 2017 FOX News has the inside story on what really happened: "Suspect in Quebec mosque terror attack was of Moroccan origin, reports show" - FOX tweet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #28 January 30, 2017 Channman ****** Quote Extreme: reaching a high or the highest degree Vetting: make a careful and critical examination or check, examine, scrutinize, investigate, inspect..... Damn, and to think I had to do this for you. I didn't ask what the words meant, I asked what does "extreme vetting" entail. Do you need the dictionary definition of "entail"? Try again. OK...OK, let me ponder this for a moment I think the Executive Order itself explains all we need to know. Really? Does it? Ok, here is the relevant part of the EO: Sec. 4. Implementing Uniform Screening Standards for All Immigration Programs. (a) The Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, the Director of National Intelligence, and the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation shall implement a program, as part of the adjudication process for immigration benefits, to identify individuals seeking to enter the United States on a fraudulent basis with the intent to cause harm, or who are at risk of causing harm subsequent to their admission. This program will include... a mechanism to assess whether or not the applicant has the intent to commit criminal or terrorist acts after entering the United States. (b) The Secretary of Homeland Security, in conjunction with the Secretary of State, the Director of National Intelligence, and the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, shall submit to the President an initial report on the progress of this directive within 60 days of the date of this order, a second report within 100 days of the date of this order, and a third report within 200 days of the date of this order. According to the EO Extreme Vetting means finding out if they are who they say they are and if they want to blow anything up while in the US. And according to the EO they don't know how to do that yet, and they're budgeting at least six and a half months for figuring out how to do it. So are you still claiming that you know what Extreme Vetting will entail, when the EO makes perfectly clear that the Trump administration itself does not yet have any idea what Extreme Vetting might entail?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #29 January 30, 2017 billvonFOX News has the inside story on what really happened: "Suspect in Quebec mosque terror attack was of Moroccan origin, reports show" - FOX tweet Yup and the White House used the incident to support their immigration ban. Edited to add: Mohamed Belkhadir was running from the scene because while administering first aid he saw a man with a gun approaching. Turned out that was a police officer. Police officer arrested him after a pursuit, cause he was running from a shooting. Understandable behaviour from both sides really. He has since been cleared and is now named as a witness in stead of a suspect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,183 #30 January 30, 2017 billvonFOX News has the inside story on what really happened: "Suspect in Quebec mosque terror attack was of Moroccan origin, reports show" - FOX tweet Of course.FOX is usually right. I expect a trump tweet next, then an executive order banning Canadians and Moroccans from the US. " Quebec City mosque attack suspect known for right-wing online posts The suspect in the deadly attack on a Quebec City mosque was known in the city’s activist circles as a right-wing troll who frequently took anti-foreigner and anti-feminist positions and stood up for U.S. President Donald Trump. Alexandre Bissonnette, 27, a student at Laval University who lived on a quiet crescent in the Cap-Rouge suburb of Quebec City, was expected in court Monday to face murder charges for the shooting that killed six people and wounded 19 others. Police initially arrested a person they considered a second suspect but they later backtracked, saying he was a witness. Mr. Bissonnette’s online profile and school friendships revealed little interest in extremist politics until last March when French nationalist leader Marine Le Pen visited Quebec City and inspired Mr. Bissonnette to vocal extreme online activism, according to people who clashed with him. Vincent Boissoneault, a student in international relations at Laval University, grew up with Mr. Bissonnette and was friends with him on Facebook. He said they frequently clashed on politics when Mr. Bissonnette attacked refugees or expressed support for Ms. Le Pen or Mr. Trump. “I can tell you he was certainly no Muslim convert. I wrote him off as a xenophobe. I didn’t even think of him as totally racist, but he was enthralled by a borderline racist nationalist movement,” Mr. Boissoneault said. François Deschamps, an employment councillor who runs a refugee support Facebook page, said he immediately recognized Mr. Bissonnette’s photo. “He was someone who made frequent extreme comments in social media denigrating refugees and feminism. It wasn’t outright hate, rather part of this new nationalist conservative identity movement that is more intolerant than hateful.” Mr. Bissonnette’s Facebook profile was removed from public view Monday morning along with the comments he left behind. Before Ms. Le Pen’s visit, Mr. Bissonnette’s friends say he showed little interest in politics, despite studying the subject at Laval University. Former classmates from the CEGEP junior college he attended after high school described him as a quiet, unassuming guy who blended in. “It’s scary that this would happen here,” said one of the friends, Antoine Cabanac. Michel Kingma-Lord, who grew up with Mr. Bissonnette, said he was “shocked” by the news that his erstwhile friend was suspected in a mass shooting. The two had grown apart in recent years, but spent many happy hours collecting minerals together as boys, scouring the schoolyard for bits of quartz. “He was a really good guy,” said Mr. Kingma-Lord. “A very generous kind of guy, always listening, polite.” Mr. Bissonnette studied political science, Mr. Kingma-Lord said, but seemed more interested in the campus chess club than any kind of ideology. “He never posted anything about hate speech,” Mr. Kingma-Lord said. “He wouldn’t share any political ideology. When we talked, it was just normal talk.” Acquaintances from Mr. Bissonnette’s earlier years at Les Compagnons-de-Cartier high school in Quebec City say he was introverted, socially awkward and frequently bullied. Toma Popescu remembered bigger kids teasing Mr. Bissonnette for his slight, pallid appearance and his unfashionable clothing. “He dressed like a country boy,” Mr. Popescu said. The bullies who targeted Mr. Bissonnette would demand his money and his lunch, even roughing him up, Mr. Popescu added. But Mikael Labrecque Berger said that Mr. Bissonnette wasn’t cowed by his social problems at school. “He never seemed to take it like personally,” Mr. Berger. “He had an almost happy attitude about it.” “Someone [would] tell him, ‘You’re ugly,’ and he would say, ‘You too are ugly.’” Before it was removed, Mr. Bissonnette’s Facebook page revealed normal preoccupations of young adulthood. While he “liked” the page of Ms. Le Pen and other right-wing politicians, he also liked Garfield and pop stars such as Katy Perry. On Halloween, he posted a picture of himself in a screaming ghoul costume – first popularized by the Scream horror-movie franchise. “Nothing original but it’s a classic,” he wrote. He also posted a photo of himself wearing what appeared to be a cadet uniform several years ago. A spokesman for the Canadian Forces confirmed that Mr. Bissonnette had participated in the cadet program from 2002 to 2004 in the Quebec City area. Records show he bought a Chevy Malibu with his twin brother, Mathieu, in 2011. They were also chess-club teammates around that time. Police searched a house belonging to Mr. Bissonnette’s father, Raymond Bissonnette, on Monday morning. The address showed up on several traffic tickets issued to Alexandre Bissonnette in recent years. Police say the suspect was not on their radar before the attack. A court records search shows no other involvement with police other than traffic tickets." http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/quebec-city-mosque-attack-suspect-known-for-right-wing-online-posts/article33833044/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #31 January 30, 2017 SkyDekker ***FOX News has the inside story on what really happened: "Suspect in Quebec mosque terror attack was of Moroccan origin, reports show" - FOX tweet Yup and the White House used the incident to support their immigration ban. Edited to add: Mohamed Belkhadir was running from the scene because while administering first aid he saw a man with a gun approaching. Turned out that was a police officer. Police officer arrested him after a pursuit, cause he was running from a shooting. Understandable behaviour from both sides really. He has since been cleared and is now named as a witness in stead of a suspect. Wow, a visible minority who didn't get shot! "Only in Canada, eh?*" (*A unique expression used liberally in Canada) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #32 January 30, 2017 Of course the official Trump propaganda outlet is still reporting Mr. Belkhadir as a suspect. Or at least haven't found time to update their update. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #33 January 30, 2017 Quote I have unlimited paid vacation time at work. Any open positions? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #34 January 30, 2017 jakee ********* Quote Extreme: reaching a high or the highest degree Vetting: make a careful and critical examination or check, examine, scrutinize, investigate, inspect..... Damn, and to think I had to do this for you. I didn't ask what the words meant, I asked what does "extreme vetting" entail. Do you need the dictionary definition of "entail"? Try again. OK...OK, let me ponder this for a moment I think the Executive Order itself explains all we need to know. Really? Does it? Ok, here is the relevant part of the EO: Sec. 4. Implementing Uniform Screening Standards for All Immigration Programs. (a) The Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, the Director of National Intelligence, and the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation shall implement a program, as part of the adjudication process for immigration benefits, to identify individuals seeking to enter the United States on a fraudulent basis with the intent to cause harm, or who are at risk of causing harm subsequent to their admission. This program will include... a mechanism to assess whether or not the applicant has the intent to commit criminal or terrorist acts after entering the United States. (b) The Secretary of Homeland Security, in conjunction with the Secretary of State, the Director of National Intelligence, and the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, shall submit to the President an initial report on the progress of this directive within 60 days of the date of this order, a second report within 100 days of the date of this order, and a third report within 200 days of the date of this order. According to the EO Extreme Vetting means finding out if they are who they say they are and if they want to blow anything up while in the US. And according to the EO they don't know how to do that yet, and they're budgeting at least six and a half months for figuring out how to do it. So are you still claiming that you know what Extreme Vetting will entail, when the EO makes perfectly clear that the Trump administration itself does not yet have any idea what Extreme Vetting might entail? Appears its working...they can't enter until its all figured out, its so easy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #35 January 30, 2017 ChannmanAppears its working...they can't enter until its all figured out, its so easy. Now you're saying Extreme Vetting means just not letting anyone in? How does that tally with the definitions you posted earlier?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #36 January 30, 2017 >Now you're saying Extreme Vetting means just not letting anyone in? How does >that tally with the definitions you posted earlier? Take him seriously, not literally. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #37 January 31, 2017 QuoteExtreme: reaching a high or the highest degree Vetting: make a careful and critical examination or check, examine, scrutinize, investigate, inspect..... Damn, and to think I had to do this for you. still rather subjective. Now write a rulebook and guidelines for CBP and INS to use please with that sort of preface..... By highest degree, surely you mean torturing the refugees to make sure they do not confess to their evils plots prior to entering? By critical examination do you mean assuming that all passports are forgeries? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #38 January 31, 2017 billvon>What, exactly, does extreme vetting entail? It's like extreme skydiving. I was thinking "extreme knitting" a more apt comparison.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,277 #39 January 31, 2017 I'm going to start a movement to ban Christians from entering Canada. On the grounds that they might commit acts of terror.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #40 January 31, 2017 You're gonna need an H1-B. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,277 #41 January 31, 2017 I'm on the road today. I just talked to the wife. She went to Mosque in Winnipeg this evening to show support. It was very full.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ypelchat 0 #42 February 1, 2017 billvon FOX News has the inside story on what really happened: "Suspect in Quebec mosque terror attack was of Moroccan origin, reports show" - FOX tweet FOX news reporting... is bullshit.... As always... I live about 5 miles from where the shooting took place. The ''Moroccan'' Citizen (guy has dual Canadian/Moroccan citizenship, actually) was among other muslims attending the prayer, that night. He was a witness to the shooting, and fled the scene as soon as he was able to. So when police force arrived at the scene (quite quickly, actually), they saw him fleeing, so they went after him, and arrested him, thinking he might be one of the attacker at the mosque, that night. He was released quickly, after it was demonstrated that he was actually a muslim praying there with other muslims. The attacker, Alexandre Bissonnette, is actually a white supremacist, a staunch Trump supporter, was also known to be a right wing supporter, and also propagating Marine Le Pen Front National ideology... Best receipe for disaster, if i might say....http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-city-mosque-attack-alexandre-bissonnette-1.3958559 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-city-mosque-alexandre-bissonnette-profile-1.3959581 http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/trudeaus-pmo-takes-on-fox-news-over-a-fox-tweet-about-the-mosque-shooting http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1014200/attentat-quebec-trudeau-fox-news-kate-purchase-tweet-erreur-information-twitter-media Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #43 February 1, 2017 An opinion piece. "Had Muslim gunmen killed six white Christians, half the world would have Canadian flags as profile pictures" http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/king-world-grieving-canadian-mosque-shooting-article-1.2960334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #44 February 1, 2017 Apparently it's now acceptable to be a White Winger full of hate. Feels more like we just broke a link in the progress of mankind with some of this crap lately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #45 February 1, 2017 >The attacker, Alexandre Bissonnette, is actually a white supremacist, a staunch >Trump supporter, was also known to be a right wing supporter . . . . Well, then, that's very different. Move along, nothing to see. Why is the press wasting their time on this when there are so many more important stories in the world? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,183 #46 February 1, 2017 aphidAn opinion piece. "Had Muslim gunmen killed six white Christians, half the world would have Canadian flags as profile pictures" http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/king-world-grieving-canadian-mosque-shooting-article-1.2960334 "Yet, 24 hours later, Fox News still has not retracted or addressed their widely shared tweet that it was a Muslim Moroccan who did the shooting." Above quote from story. FOX news never removed the quote from their story until: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/01/fox-news-deletes-false-quebec-shooting-tweet-justin-trudeau-mosque FOX news "Motto: Fair & Balanced" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nolhtairt 0 #47 February 1, 2017 normissApparently it's now acceptable to be a White Winger full of hate. Feels more like we just broke a link in the progress of mankind with some of this crap lately. I don't agree with white supremacists stooping down to the same level as Muslim terrorists. While I can certainly understand their reasoning, it doesn't make them any better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #48 February 1, 2017 Choosing to arbitrarily execute innocent civilian lives is something I will never understand the reasoning for. It's just about as low as a human can get IMO. Something is mentally broken in people that celebrate death instead of life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #49 February 1, 2017 nolhtairt***Apparently it's now acceptable to be a White Winger full of hate. Feels more like we just broke a link in the progress of mankind with some of this crap lately. I don't agree with white supremacists stooping down to the same level as Muslim terrorists. While I can certainly understand their reasoning, it doesn't make them any better. Which means you understand the reasoning of the muslim terrorists as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,277 #50 February 1, 2017 QuoteI don't agree with white supremacists stooping down to the same level as Muslim terrorists. While I can certainly understand their reasoning, it doesn't make them any better. Could you explain their reasoning to me then? I can't understand it at all. Maybe you meant something else?Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
