Alternative Facts ?

[DanG 1]

This is truly astounding and upsetting.

I wonder how our usual conservative posters feel about this? Is it okay with them, or do they also see deliberate lying to the public as unacceptable?

- Dan G

[ryoder 1,590]

CNN grows a pair. (see image)

Source: http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/alternative-facts-are-lies-cnn-on-screen-graphic-destroys-kellyanne-conway-in-four-words/

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[airdvr 210]

jakee

***Wait...perhaps a tariff or trade war might be interesting.

So the new right wing policy should be to aggressively intervene in the process of the free market in order to make everyday goods much more expensive?

You must be so happy that you have the Whitehouse now, so you can do all the things you accused the previous occupant of wanting to do...

I don't know the answer. You seem to think it can't happen. I'm old enough to know better. If the world had listened to the "it can't be done" crowd there'd still be blood lettings and witch burning.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[normiss 856]

"The Party told you to reject all evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

George Orwell, 1984

[grimmie 186]

Chris Wallace at Fox News actually called the administration out for lying.

[billvon 3,076]

>Chris Wallace at Fox News actually called the administration out for lying.

The lying left wing media at it again!

[ryoder 1,590]

billvon

>Chris Wallace at Fox News actually called the administration out for lying.

The lying left wing media at it again!

The place has gone to hell since Ailes left.
So sad.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/01/22/fox-news-trump-lying-inauguration-crowd-size.html

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[grimmie 186]

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2017/1/22/14350248/dallas-stars-donald-trump-joke-jumbotron-president-inaguration-numbers-nhl

[billvon 3,076]

>http://www.sbnation.com/...guration-numbers-nhl

Looks like the Dallas Stars have become part of the lying liberal media too!

[JerryBaumchen 1,445]

Hi Robert,

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The place has gone to hell

From your link: ' . . confronted White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus with photographic evidence . . '

Well, anyone knows that you cannot believe a photo. Just ask The Donald in Truth.

Now, how about those tax returns??????????????



Jerry Baumchen

PS) Maybe we should get a pool going on how long it will take those Trump supporters to finally open their eyes and see him for what he really is.

[Stumpy 284]

JerryBaumchen

Maybe we should get a pool going on how long it will take those Trump supporters to finally open their eyes and see him for what he really is.

$10 on never?

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[TriGirl 333]

JerryBaumchen

PS) Maybe we should get a pool going on how long it will take those Trump supporters to finally open their eyes and see him for what he really is.

I was thinking a pool or "over/under" on how long it takes the new president to be impeached.

See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus

Shut Up & Jump!

[Phil1111 1,149]

TriGirl

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PS) Maybe we should get a pool going on how long it will take those Trump supporters to finally open their eyes and see him for what he really is.

I was thinking a pool or "over/under" on how long it takes the new president to be impeached.

Well he has been sued already since becoming president. Given midterms that show a new awakening of voters to trumpism.

" Trumpism
A gospel politicians preach to instill fear in locals: illegals are bringing crime and robbing their jobs, and radicals among Muslim refugees are terrorizing the "infidels."
Although Trumpism arguably promotes extreme nationalism, anti-globalization, xenophobia, and Islamophobia, however, many politicians in the developed world secretly endorse this divisive doctrine to guard against crime and terrorism."

That trump will likely refuse to forgive, forget and move on from any republicans in the house or senate that vote against him. I would say his welcome would be worn out in two and a half years. With an impeachment for ethics violations of trump business and conflicts of interests, thereafter.

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TriGirl

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PS) Maybe we should get a pool going on how long it will take those Trump supporters to finally open their eyes and see him for what he really is.

I was thinking a pool or "over/under" on how long it takes the new president to be impeached.

I mentioned in a post here a week or so ago in SC that it looked like he'd be the first person to ever take office while violating the US Constitution.

Pretty amazing.

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[gowlerk 2,251]

I don't know Jerry. But I would think that if Ryan sees a chance to dump Trump and get Pence instead he'll be on it, like yesterday. Trump's enemy list is at least 5 times the size of his friend list. And a lot of his enemies are very powerful.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[JerryBaumchen 1,445]

Hi Ken,

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Ryan sees a chance to dump Trump and get Pence

Ever see the movie 'Seven Days in May?'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_in_May

Jerry Baumchen

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

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PS) Maybe we should get a pool going on how long it will take those Trump supporters to finally open their eyes and see him for what he really is.

I was thinking a pool or "over/under" on how long it takes the new president to be impeached.

I mentioned in a post here a week or so ago in SC that it looked like he'd be the first person to ever take office while violating the US Constitution.

Pretty amazing.

There's a lawsuit being filed over that.
Less than a week in office, and he's facing it.

And on the "Alternative Facts" thing, Trump is still claiming that "massive voter fraud" is why HRC won the popular vote. Spicer claims there is "evidence" (but won't produce it), Rs in congress are basically telling Trump to cut it out. CBS news led the evening news with a statement to the effect of "Trump's False Claim of Voter Fraud" (watching it now).

I don't think anybody is going to believe much of what Spicer says anymore.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Trump has announced an investigation into voter fraud. I will call it now and say that this investigation will "find" massive voter fraud.

Will probably form the basis of a national ID law or something along those lines.

[normiss 856]

Subdural ID, tracking device, security token, currency exchange device, with free tattoo.

[gowlerk 2,251]

SkyDekker

Trump has announced an investigation into voter fraud. I will call it now and say that this investigation will "find" massive voter fraud.

Will probably form the basis of a national ID law or something along those lines.

After reading and following this story I am beginning to think that Trump's presidency is going to be far worse that I, or most of us imagined. It is becoming more and more clear that the "elites" were correct about the man.

I had assumed that it was mostly an act. Because somehow he did actually build a business empire. And how could he have done that if he was crazy? His shortcomings are already obvious. The damage he will do is unknown, as is the end game. But it looks unlikely to go on for four years.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

gowlerk

***Trump has announced an investigation into voter fraud. I will call it now and say that this investigation will "find" massive voter fraud.

Will probably form the basis of a national ID law or something along those lines.

After reading and following this story I am beginning to think that Trump's presidency is going to be far worse that I, or most of us imagined. It is becoming more and more clear that the "elites" were correct about the man.

I had assumed that it was mostly an act. Because somehow he did actually build a business empire. And how could he have done that if he was crazy? His shortcomings are already obvious. The damage he will do is unknown, as is the end game. But it looks unlikely to go on for four years.

Well, he didn't really "build" a business empire. At least not by himself. He inherited his wealth. He used his dad to get some really favorable terms early on. And he's destroyed a whole lot of companies.

There are some of his tax returns from the 90s that have been leaked. He declared losses so big that the form didn't have enough spaces for all of the digits.
He bankrupted casinos in Atlantic City.
The list of his failures is long.

None of this is secret or new. Its all been out there from the beginning. But the Trumpeters ignored it. Or chose to believe it was "fake news." Or decided that HRC's behavior was worse.

Edit to add:

I'm not too worried about what Trump's "investigation" will bring about.
As I noted above, the CBS evening news called it "False" in the opening statement and in the story (I think they used the word 'fake' or 'false' a dozen times or so).
Even the Rs in congress are saying "cut it out".
Lindsay Graham is basically saying "put up or shut up."

Any real investigation will need some actual facts. You know, real ones, not "alternative" ones.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[gowlerk 2,251]

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I'm not too worried about what Trump's "investigation" will bring about.

But that is not the point. It's the way the man is so unhinged over this that is so telling.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

gowlerk

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I'm not too worried about what Trump's "investigation" will bring about.

But that is not the point. It's the way the man is so unhinged over this that is so telling.

Oh, absolutely.

Pretty much everything the "elites" said about him is coming to pass.

He's unfit to be President in a multitude of ways.

The poll I did a few weeks ago about him finishing his term seemed to show that people thought he would last.

Odds of that in various places seem to be dropping some.

I am starting to doubt that he will last 6 months. Impeachment, lawsuit (that would have to lead to an impeachment), or he simply "loses it" and the 25th gets invoked.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[gowlerk 2,251]

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The poll I did a few weeks ago about him finishing his term seemed to show that people thought he would last.

Yes, I was one of those who thought so. Replacing Trump, if it happens, will be a two edged sword. The sooner it happens the better off your country will be, if it must happen. But it will take a true crisis to bring it about. If it happens it will be very messy and even more divisive than his election.

I believe it would be better if he succeeds. Some of the changes he is talking about could be positives if they were implemented with care and in a rational way. But they require skilled leadership. And it is starting to look like there is no chance that the man is capable of providing it. Or standing back and relying on subordinates to make up for some of his shortcomings.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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gowlerk

It is becoming more and more clear that the "elites" were correct about the man.

"Elites" and also just normal people who recognize crazy when they see it.

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