kallend 2,175 #1 December 30, 2016 Conservative columnist who opposed gun safety laws shot dead with his own gun. www.nydailynews.com/news/national/columnist-killed-gun-showing-teen-article-1.2927982... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 644 #2 December 30, 2016 kallend Conservative columnist who opposed gun safety laws shot dead with his own gun. www.nydailynews.com/news/national/columnist-killed-gun-showing-teen-article-1.2927982 I'm going to sound like a right wing gun nut saying this but generally guns don't just 'go off' I wonder if the US will ever mature to the point that the gun debate could be held rationally?Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 December 30, 2016 nigel99 *** Conservative columnist who opposed gun safety laws shot dead with his own gun. www.nydailynews.com/news/national/columnist-killed-gun-showing-teen-article-1.2927982 I'm going to sound like a right wing gun nut saying this but generally guns don't just 'go off' The incident speaks to the "responsible gun owner" issue.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #4 December 30, 2016 kallend Conservative columnist who opposed gun safety laws shot dead with his own gun. www.nydailynews.com/news/national/columnist-killed-gun-showing-teen-article-1.2927982 Show me where he opposed gun safety laws.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #5 December 30, 2016 airdvr*** Conservative columnist who opposed gun safety laws shot dead with his own gun. www.nydailynews.com/news/national/columnist-killed-gun-showing-teen-article-1.2927982 Show me where he opposed gun safety laws. Read his columns. In September 2016, Harmon wrote in the Portland Press Herald how he opposed a ballot initiative, Question 3, that would have required all gun sales to go through a federally licensed dealer who would perform a background check of the buyer. He continued: "But perhaps the worst of the bunch is LD 1240, which would on the plus side allow police to take guns away from people admitted to a psychiatric hospital on an emergency basis, but would also increase the minimum age for a concealed carry permit from 18 to 21 (we let 18-year-olds handle machine guns for the military, but something keeps them from qualifying to carry a .38?) and require background checks for all private gun sales except to family members. But the absolute worst part of the bill is that it would require all gun buyers to take a firearm safety course." Sources: Portland Press Herald, The Maine Wire... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #6 December 30, 2016 http://www.pressherald.com/2016/09/02/m-d-harmon-just-a-little-logic-essentially-shoots-question-3-full-of-holes/ Show me where that quote comes from because I'm unable to find it in his September column about Question 3. In fact, I'm unable to find it in any of his September 2016 columns. ETA So Perfesser...if you're unable to find it does it make you guilty of believing fake news? I can just picture the glee on your face when you read that a conservative had been shot with his own weapon. And a conservative who had spoken out against gun safety to boot! I'll bet you needed a clean pair of underoos.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #7 December 30, 2016 And? So if a Dodge Hellcat, Ford Mustang 5.0, etc. owners have high speed accidents. Same thing? The guy handled a firearm improperly and paid the price. Many whuffos would same the same about you, if you had a wrap and burned in. What about some idiot swooper who takes someone out under canopy? Should we ban fast canopies, or just heavily regulate them? "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #8 December 30, 2016 An even more relevant quote. QuoteBut the absolute worst part of the bill is that it would require all gun buyers to take a firearm safety course. Source: http://www.themainewire.com/2013/04/m-d-harmon-gun-control-washington-dc-augusta/ Heaven forbid! Let's not have any gun safety courses.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #9 December 30, 2016 quadeAn even more relevant quote. QuoteBut the absolute worst part of the bill is that it would require all gun buyers to take a firearm safety course. Source: http://www.themainewire.com/2013/04/m-d-harmon-gun-control-washington-dc-augusta/ Heaven forbid! Let's not have any gun safety courses. From April of 2013.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #10 December 30, 2016 airdvr***An even more relevant quote. QuoteBut the absolute worst part of the bill is that it would require all gun buyers to take a firearm safety course. Source: http://www.themainewire.com/2013/04/m-d-harmon-gun-control-washington-dc-augusta/ Heaven forbid! Let's not have any gun safety courses. From April of 2013. Which only proves he's been a pro-gun advocate for several years.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #11 December 31, 2016 kallend****** Conservative columnist who opposed gun safety laws shot dead with his own gun. www.nydailynews.com/news/national/columnist-killed-gun-showing-teen-article-1.2927982 Show me where he opposed gun safety laws. Read his columns. In September 2016, Harmon wrote in the Portland Press Herald how he opposed a ballot initiative, Question 3, that would have required all gun sales to go through a federally licensed dealer who would perform a background check of the buyer. He continued: "But perhaps the worst of the bunch is LD 1240, which would on the plus side allow police to take guns away from people admitted to a psychiatric hospital on an emergency basis, but would also increase the minimum age for a concealed carry permit from 18 to 21 (we let 18-year-olds handle machine guns for the military, but something keeps them from qualifying to carry a .38?) and require background checks for all private gun sales except to family members. But the absolute worst part of the bill is that it would require all gun buyers to take a firearm safety course." Sources: Portland Press Herald, The Maine Wire quadeAn even more relevant quote. Quote: But the absolute worst part of the bill is that it would require all gun buyers to take a firearm safety course. Source: http://www.themainewire.com/...shington-dc-augusta/ Heaven forbid! Let's not have any gun safety courses. From April of 2013. Which only proves he's been a pro-gun advocate for several years. He never wrote it in the Portland Press, he didn't write it in 2016. We don't know what his position was about firearms safety courses. We do know he opposed the requirement to take a course and we don't know if his position has changed almost 4 years after he wrote it. I would venture a guess to say a former military officer has probably been a pro-gun advocate a bit longer than 4 years, but you want to make that sound as if it's a bad thing.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #12 December 31, 2016 rather than get hung up on a single quote, when the original idea put forth said he was a conservative that was pro-gun, you could always go to the paper that he wrote for, search for his last name and 'gun' and then read the many articles he wrote that were in fact, pro-gun. Not everything needs to be discriminated to a point where you start arguing about the meaning of the word 'the' or some such crap. The guy was pro gun. He was a conservative that was pro-gun. he got shot by his own gun. there is some irony in that whether you like it or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #13 December 31, 2016 tkhayesrather than get hung up on a single quote, when the original idea put forth said he was a conservative that was pro-gun, you could always go to the paper that he wrote for, search for his last name and 'gun' and then read the many articles he wrote that were in fact, pro-gun. Not everything needs to be discriminated to a point where you start arguing about the meaning of the word 'the' or some such crap. The guy was pro gun. He was a conservative that was pro-gun. he got shot by his own gun. there is some irony in that whether you like it or not. Oh there's definite irony...I'm not contesting that.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #14 December 31, 2016 tkhayes The guy was pro gun. He was a conservative that was pro-gun. he got shot by his own gun. there is some irony in that Well, the most likely gun to shoot you is the one you or a family member own - that has been true for a very long time. The particular irony in this case is that he had written a column arguing against mandatory gun safety training for gun owners. Came back to bite him big time.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #15 March 25, 2017 Trump supporter thought president would only deport ‘bad hombres.’ Instead, her husband is being deported. www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/03/25/she-thought-trump-would-deport-bad-hombres-instead-hes-deporting-her-law-abiding-husband/?tid=hybrid_collaborative_1_na&utm_term=.7b000ffc0574... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 644 #16 March 25, 2017 kallendTrump supporter thought president would only deport ‘bad hombres.’ Instead, her husband is being deported. www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/03/25/she-thought-trump-would-deport-bad-hombres-instead-hes-deporting-her-law-abiding-husband/?tid=hybrid_collaborative_1_na&utm_term=.7b000ffc0574 My issue with this is an 'illegal immigrant' by definition has broken the law. I know that people muddle up immigrants, refugees and illegal immigrants all the time. But a true 'illegal' immigrant has committed a crime and so the people quoted are wrong. That said I believe in compassion and if a previous administration turned a blind eye then perhaps amnesties and special exemptions could be applied.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime24 8 #17 March 25, 2017 http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/crime-enter-illegally.html What Is Illegal Entry? The immigration law actually uses the term "improper entry," which has a broad meaning. It’s more than just slipping across the U.S. border at an unguarded point. Improper entry can include: •entering or attempting to enter the United States at any time or place other than one designated by U.S. immigration officers (in other words, away from a border inspection point or other port of entry) •eluding examination or inspection by U.S. immigration officers (people have tried everything from digging tunnels to hiding in the trunk of a friend’s car) •attempting to enter or obtain entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or willful concealment of a material fact (which might include, for example, lying on a visa application or buying a false green card or other entry document). (See Title 8, Section 1325 of the U.S. Code (U.S.C.), or Section 275 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (I.N.A.) for the exact statutory language - www.uscis.gov/laws/immigration-and-nationality-act.) *** Improper entry to the country is a crime.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #18 March 25, 2017 nigel99***Trump supporter thought president would only deport ‘bad hombres.’ Instead, her husband is being deported. www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/03/25/she-thought-trump-would-deport-bad-hombres-instead-hes-deporting-her-law-abiding-husband/?tid=hybrid_collaborative_1_na&utm_term=.7b000ffc0574 My issue with this is an 'illegal immigrant' by definition has broken the law. I know that people muddle up immigrants, refugees and illegal immigrants all the time. But a true 'illegal' immigrant has committed a crime and so the people quoted are wrong. That said I believe in compassion and if a previous administration turned a blind eye then perhaps amnesties and special exemptions could be applied. You know there's a problem when the nation's economy would collapse if all the illegals were deported. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #19 March 25, 2017 nigel99***Trump supporter thought president would only deport ‘bad hombres.’ Instead, her husband is being deported. www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/03/25/she-thought-trump-would-deport-bad-hombres-instead-hes-deporting-her-law-abiding-husband/?tid=hybrid_collaborative_1_na&utm_term=.7b000ffc0574 My issue with this is an 'illegal immigrant' by definition has broken the law. I know that people muddle up immigrants, refugees and illegal immigrants all the time. But a true 'illegal' immigrant has committed a crime and so the people quoted are wrong. Overstaying a visa, which is what this guy did, is a CIVIL offence but not a crime. He is not a criminal. Entering illegally IS a crime, but it seems this guy entered legally. blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2014/07/is-illegal-immigration-a-crime-improper-entry-v-unlawful-presence.html... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime24 8 #20 March 26, 2017 Quotehe awaits his deportation back to Mexico, the country he left in 1998 when he entered the United States illegally. Quoted from the Washington Post story provided.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonnyblu 0 #21 March 26, 2017 nigel99 I wonder if the US will ever mature to the point that the gun debate could be held rationally? Not as long as atheists are bringing karma to the table. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #22 March 27, 2017 kallendTrump supporter thought president would only deport ‘bad hombres.’ Instead, her husband is being deported. www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/03/25/she-thought-trump-would-deport-bad-hombres-instead-hes-deporting-her-law-abiding-husband/?tid=hybrid_collaborative_1_na&utm_term=.7b000ffc0574 Her husband is portrayed as a successful business man, but she voted for Trump because of the economy. Oh well, elections have consequences. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #23 March 27, 2017 millertime24Quotehe awaits his deportation back to Mexico, the country he left in 1998 when he entered the United States illegally. Quoted from the Washington Post story provided. Yeah, you should probably read the whole article. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
