Mike Pence at Hamilton

[rushmc 23]

kallend

*********The cast was involved.

No-one said they weren't.

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Keep up

Irony meter - exploded

you better reread quade's post

YOU should re-read the article YOU posted, and try to comprehend it this time, since it's obvious you didn't comprehend it the first time.

It states the cast came out after the curtain and lectured Pence.

THAT is what I addressed.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Lots of stuff bouncing around FB on this.
One of my favorites (paraphrased):

Anyone who publicly mocks a disabled man has no business being offended by what someone else says.

And there is an interesting editorial from CNN.

It addresses Trump's responses to both the Hamilton incident and to SNL.

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The man who will be sworn in as the 45th president of the United States in January is not just upset that a comedy show is making fun of him but is demanding it make changes to its content to please him...

...Trump was so outraged at "SNL's" comically ridiculing him that he called for the show to be canceled

Apparently Trump is only in favor of free speech when it doesn't criticize or ridicule him.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[rehmwa 2]

wolfriverjoe

Apparently Trump is only in favor of free speech when it doesn't criticize or ridicule him.

That will be true if he recommends to congress to pass a law to that effect. Until then, it's just an opinion.

I'm saying he won't do just that, but it would be nice if they wait until then instead of continuing to throw the strawmen out. Boy that cries wolf and all that.....

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

rehmwa

***Apparently Trump is only in favor of free speech when it doesn't criticize or ridicule him.

That will be true if he recommends to congress to pass a law to that effect. Until then, it's just an opinion.

I'm saying he won't do just that, but it would be nice if they wait until then instead of continuing to throw the strawmen out. Boy that cries wolf and all that.....

No, it's true now. I'd just as soon not wait to make clear how wrong his behavior is until he starts passing laws or writing Executive Orders.

Or having his minions start calling for the registration and possible internment of groups he fears...
Oh, yeah. That already happened.

He is clearly in favor of stifling any criticism or ridicule. Yet he criticizes and ridicules his opponents rather scathingly.

As was pointed out in the editorial that I linked, ridiculing and booing politicians is an exercise of free speech.

Even Mike Pence understood that (again, in the link).

Trump doesn't have to pass any laws to exercise power (didn't all the conservatives bitch about Obama doing that?).

He has the temperament of a 5 year old. Not something that is a good thing for a President.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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wolfriverjoe

Trump doesn't have to pass any laws to exercise power (didn't all the conservatives bitch about Obama doing that?).

Not all conservatives (except the 'usual crowd' - both sides have 'those' people). A LOT of people, in general, complained about it because it was a terrible precedent to (continue to) establish. Exec Orders are supposed to be used to enforce existing law, not bypass congress' duties.

People hate the equivalency discussions because it shines the light on both sides instead of just reinforces their echo chambers.

The measure of any politician for me, is when I know their 'opinions' and whether they are able to govern cleanly even when their opinions are in contrast with law. Same goes for judges. Politicians hide their opinions, or, IMO, just don't have any opinions that aren't fed to them. this guy sure doesn't hide anything.

The problem nowadays is people want their 'opinions' codified into law. It's a pretty narcissistic culture and we're seeing it everywhere.

I'll hope for the best, but expect the worst and be prepared.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[tigra 0]

He was not booed by the cast, he was booed by the audience. Should the audience "applegize"? Because I think Trump should "applegize" to the cast and crew of Hamilton for blatantly lying about what happened.

[ryoder 1,590]

Hamilton, Ontario theater feeling the wrath of angry Trumpsters: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/there-s-hamilton-the-hit-musical-and-hamilton-the-city-angry-social-media-users-confuse-the-two-1.3859503

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

ryoder

Hamilton, Ontario theater feeling the wrath of angry Trumpsters: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/there-s-hamilton-the-hit-musical-and-hamilton-the-city-angry-social-media-users-confuse-the-two-1.3859503

Well, we can't expect people to know there could be something else called Hamilton out there.

[jakee 1,645]

rushmc

It states the cast came out after the curtain and lectured Pence.

THAT is what I addressed.

Why did you address it? No-one had said otherwise.

You said it made Quade wrong - it doesn't. He was well aware of that

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

quade

***Your facts are wrong.

He was booed as soon as he walked in the place, and several times afterwards. Completely uncivilized behavior, and wrong.

Not by the cast.

The cast was nothing but gracious.

Now we all know why you think this cast member was gracious. Cause he is a perfect example of what people are in the Democratic party today. Have you seen the stories? He is under fire for racist and sexist tweets!

What a hero you have here

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=hamilton+star+racist+tweets

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,645]

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Now we all know why you think this cast member was gracious. Cause he is a perfect example of what people are in the Democratic party today. Have you seen the stories? He is under fire for racist and sexist tweets!

So, you're claiming that Quade only said that the cast's behaviour towards Pence on that night was gracious because one cast member has a history of offensive tweeting? That's pretty mindbending.

Good job on redirecting to what is really important in the world though - the sexist statements of stage actors are obviously of much greater concern than the sexist comments of the President elect.

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What a hero you have here

You helped elect your sexist hero president and dismissed his (much more serious) sexist comments as 'locker room talk' and 'every man does it'. How can you possibly claim to be offended now, when another man (of zero political influence or concern) does it?

Gutter hypocrisy

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

jakee

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Now we all know why you think this cast member was gracious. Cause he is a perfect example of what people are in the Democratic party today. Have you seen the stories? He is under fire for racist and sexist tweets!

So, you're claiming that Quade only said that the cast's behaviour towards Pence on that night was gracious because one cast member has a history of offensive tweeting? That's pretty mindbending.

Good job on redirecting to what is really important in the world though - the sexist statements of stage actors are obviously of much greater concern than the sexist comments of the President elect.

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What a hero you have here

You helped elect your sexist hero president and dismissed his (much more serious) sexist comments as 'locker room talk' and 'every man does it'. How can you possibly claim to be offended now, when another man (of zero political influence or concern) does it?

Gutter hypocrisy

Not what I said
Nice twist though
He did say the cast was gracious
I disagree
And I know you will forgive racists sexists as long as they are Democrats..

And as far as Trump goes, you have swallowed the media cool aid.

I understand that and I feel sorry for you.

You can get out of your gutter if you chose to as well.

I will pray for you.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,645]

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He did say the cast was gracious
I disagree

Why? The story you said proved Quade wrong didn't say anything about the attitude of the cast or what they said to him.

So what are you basing your opinion on?

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And I know you will forgive racists sexists as long as they are Democrats..

Nope. I think those tweets are pretty low - and while a political message should stand and fall on its own merit, he has certainly undermined his credibility and the impact of the message by writing or retweeting them.

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And as far as Trump goes, you have swallowed the media cool aid.

What media cool-aid? Trump said what he said, just like this actor said what he said. That is undeniable. There is no media twist to that. We can judge them on their own words.

When Trump said what he said you laughed at it, you called it locker room talk, and you excused it as being ok, because it is something that every man says.

And now this man says something much milder, though still sexist and offensive, and suddenly you've come to Jesus over sexual equality and are demanding the highest standards of PC speech.

You're a living partisan cartoon character. A charicature of a hypocrite.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

I bet the Hamilton Production group is something you are proud of too.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/30/entertainment/hamilton-broadway-casting-call/

Of course CNN is giving them a pass as well....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

jakee

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He did say the cast was gracious
I disagree

Why? The story you said proved Quade wrong didn't say anything about the attitude of the cast or what they said to him.

So what are you basing your opinion on?

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And I know you will forgive racists sexists as long as they are Democrats..

Nope. I think those tweets are pretty low - and while a political message should stand and fall on its own merit, he has certainly undermined his credibility and the impact of the message by writing or retweeting them.

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And as far as Trump goes, you have swallowed the media cool aid.

What media cool-aid? Trump said what he said, just like this actor said what he said. That is undeniable. There is no media twist to that. We can judge them on their own words.

When Trump said what he said you laughed at it, you called it locker room talk, and you excused it as being ok, because it is something that every man says.

And now this man says something much milder, though still sexist and offensive, and suddenly you've come to Jesus over sexual equality and are demanding the highest standards of PC speech.

You're a living partisan cartoon character. A charicature of a hypocrite.

you have to be a mind reader to make some of the above claims.

Calm down, take a breath.

You have not a clue

But that is normal these days......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,645]

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you have to be a mind reader to make some of the above claims.

No, you made it pretty black and white. You did laugh at Trump's comments, here on this site. You did dismiss it as locker room talk. You did agree with the sentiment that 'every man does it'.

Unless you have some reason not to remember posting these things (heck maybe you're always posting drunk and genuinely can't remember - it'd explain the lack of grammar and logic) then the above statement really makes no sense.

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You have not a clue

You have no shred of decency. You accuse me of giving this guy a pass because he's a democrat when I haven't even given him a pass. I have not excused his tweets in any way. In fact, I agreed that they were a bad thing.

You, on the other hand, defended Trump to the hilt over his sexist, predatory and abusive comments, have never said that there was anything wrong with them at all, and said they were a perfectly normal thing for anyone to say - but now are jumping all over this guy for saying a much milder version of what you said was perfectly normal.

And why are you doing that? Because he's a Democrat, and you're a blind, partisan, hypocritical troll.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kallend 2,217]

Rushmc's definition of gracious.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

jakee

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you have to be a mind reader to make some of the above claims.

No, you made it pretty black and white. You did laugh at Trump's comments, here on this site. You did dismiss it as locker room talk. You did agree with the sentiment that 'every man does it'.

Unless you have some reason not to remember posting these things (heck maybe you're always posting drunk and genuinely can't remember - it'd explain the lack of grammar and logic) then the above statement really makes no sense.

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You have not a clue

You have no shred of decency. You accuse me of giving this guy a pass because he's a democrat when I haven't even given him a pass. I have not excused his tweets in any way. In fact, I agreed that they were a bad thing.

You, on the other hand, defended Trump to the hilt over his sexist, predatory and abusive comments, have never said that there was anything wrong with them at all, and said they were a perfectly normal thing for anyone to say - but now are jumping all over this guy for saying a much milder version of what you said was perfectly normal.

And why are you doing that? Because he's a Democrat, and you're a blind, partisan, hypocritical troll.

Trumps comments were stupid but, they do not make him all that you say he is.

That is just you drinking the cool aid and jumping on the anti Trump band wagon.

He is not even if office yet and you and the rest are trying to de-legitimize him already. A fucking joke!

Also claiming some in his cabinet are things they are not. Bannon comes to mind. Bannon's only sin was helping Trump get elected. And some of the claims have been pulled back already.

I only throw back at you that which is tossed my way. Been doing it here for years. Works every time it is tried.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[quade 4]

rushmc

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=hamilton+star+racist+tweets

And now we see a glimpse of how the Trump Administration will be working with the internet trolls to silence critics. They'll dig through every piece of social media of yours and cherry pick, then post to Breitbart, et. al.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[jakee 1,645]

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Trumps comments were stupid but, they do not make him all that you say he is.

Oh really? The only thing you know about the Hamilton actor is that he didn't vote for Trump/Pence, and the content of those tweets. Yet, according to you, he is a racist, a sexist, and a 'perfect example of what people are in the Democratic party today.'

His comments make him all of that, but Trump's comments (and associated accusations and settled lawsuits against him) don't make him anything at all? Not a sexist? Not a victimiser of women?

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Also claiming some in his cabinet are things they are not. Bannon comes to mind. Bannon's only sin was helping Trump get elected. And some of the claims have been pulled back already.

Now you're delusional. You think no-one was criticising Breitbart News and Bannon before Trump started his campaign? Look at the response back when they first started supporting him - people thought Breitbart was dragging Trump down, not the other way around

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I only throw back at you that which is tossed my way.

No, you're worse. You are the worst, most one sided partisan hack on this website, and you are the first and loudest to whine and bitch and cry like a baby whenever you think someone from the other side is being one-sided. You contribute nothing to this site but hypocrisy.

Heck - prove me wrong, just once. Either admit that Trump's comments show he really is a sexist, or apologise for calling the Hamilton actor a sexist. Go on, see if you can do it.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

Woosh

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

quade

***https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=hamilton+star+racist+tweets

And now we see a glimpse of how the Trump Administration will be working with the internet trolls to silence critics. They'll dig through every piece of social media of yours and cherry pick, then post to Breitbart, et. al.

it looks to me that this thread was trolling from the start......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[quade 4]

rushmc

******https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=hamilton+star+racist+tweets

And now we see a glimpse of how the Trump Administration will be working with the internet trolls to silence critics. They'll dig through every piece of social media of yours and cherry pick, then post to Breitbart, et. al.

it looks to me that this thread was trolling from the start......

Yeah, because clearly nobody else on the planet was talking about it. Right?

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[jakee 1,645]

rushmc

Woosh

So you can't do it. You simply cannot, not even once, be balanced. You just can't bring yourself to apply the same standard to a Republican and a liberal.

You don't even have to say that Trump is a sexist, you just have to retract your claim that the Hamilton actor is a sexist and you would at least be fair to the two of them.

But no. It's never going to happen. You are what you claim to despise

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

jakee

***Woosh

So you can't do it. You simply cannot, not even once, be balanced. You just can't bring yourself to apply the same standard to a Republican and a liberal.

You don't even have to say that Trump is a sexist, you just have to retract your claim that the Hamilton actor is a sexist and you would at least be fair to the two of them.

But no. It's never going to happen. You are what you claim to despise

YOU my friend, are the one missing the balance

WOOSH again

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln