On Fox, Trump Supporter Carl Higbie Cites Japanese Internment Camps As "Precedent" For Muslim Registry

[quade 4]

Un-fucking-believable.

I would not have thought this possible in the America I grew up in. I can't believe we're even having this discussion, yet, there it is.

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MEGYN KELLY (HOST): You heard the mayor's position, which is, you know, we just -- we don't do that kind of thing, we don't create registries based on religion.

CARL HIGBIE: Yeah, well, we have in the past. We've done it based on race, we've done it based on religion, we've done it based on region. And the fact is he also brings it back as like, a constitutionality issue, the problem is is people outside this country are not protected under the same constitutional rights as we are in America.

KELLY: So, you think it's a good idea, and you don't care that this is some sort of a slippery slope where Muslims may just get lumped into some group, where they get put in a registry, and some you know, some aggressive law enforcement actor in the future might abuse that list?

HIGBIE: Absolutely, look, there is always a case for abuse in this thing. But the fundamental problem here is we have a large faction, look -- Look, being a part of the Muslim faith is not a bad thing, and there is plenty -- there is, you know, 1.6 billion Muslims out there.

Most of them are perfectly good people, but the fact is there is a small percentage of people that have chose to align with an extreme ideology within the faith, and they're doing harm. So, we would like it keep tabs on it until we can figure out what's going on, Trump has said "Look, it's a -- it's a regional based thing right now, if they're coming into our country we need to know who they are, where they are, and what's going on," because he's trying to protect --

KELLY: Well, he's trying to stop -- he's trying to stop immigration into the country from countries where there are major terrorist issues, and we -- until we can figure out what's going on, but this seems like something else, which is if you're coming over -- I mean, this is just what I'm reading, OK?

This is, that -- that again, the Kansas Secretary of State Chris Kobach, who helped write the tough immigration laws in Arizona, said today that Trump's policies advisers are drafting -- they're discussing drafting a proposal to reinstate a registry for immigrants from Muslim countries. For immigrants from Muslim countries.

HIGBIE: Yeah, and to be perfectly honest, it is legal. They say it will hold constitutional muster. I know the ACLU is gonna challenge it, but I think it'll pass, and we've done it with Iran back -- back a while ago. We did it during World War II with Japanese, which, you know, call it what you will, maybe --

KELLY: Come on. You're not -- you're not proposing we go back to the days of internment camps, I hope.

HIGBIE: No, no, no. I'm not proposing that at all, Megyn, but what I am saying is we need to protect America from --

KELLY: You know better than to suggest that. I mean, that's the kind of stuff that gets people scared, Carl.

HIGBIE: Right, but it's -- I'm just saying there is precedent for it, and I'm not saying I agree with it, but in this case I absolutely believe that a regional based --

KELLY: You can't be citing Japanese internment camps as precedent for anything the president-elect is gonna do.

HIGBIE: Look, the president needs to protect America first, and if that means having people that are not protected under our Constitution have some sort of registry so we can understand, until we can identify the true threat and where it's coming from, I support it.

Source:
https://mediamatters.org/video/2016/11/16/fox-trump-supporter-carl-higbie-cites-japanese-internment-camps-precedent-muslim-registry/214509

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[ryoder 1,590]

Let's look at what Bush Sr thought of it: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=21521
OK, he was sort of a wimp.

Let's go further back and see what Saint Reagan thought of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtCZgvYaXQ4


I'm looking forward to seeing George Takei's reaction on this.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

It won't start with internment camps. It starts with making sure they are registered.

Then let's make sure they are easily identified.

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SkyDekker

It won't start with internment camps. It starts with making sure they are registered.

Then let's make sure they are easily identified.

You're telling me?

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[JerryBaumchen 1,451]

Hi Paul,

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Un-fucking-believable.

Yup, just like they did in Germany in the 30's.

But still, rushmc will not believe it. Something about head in the sand or something; my memory is not so good anymore.

Also, Hitler put a lot of thugs into top positions; hmmmmmm.

Jerry Baumchen

[gowlerk 2,260]

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Un-fucking-believable.

I would not have thought this possible in the America I grew up in. I can't believe we're even having this discussion, yet, there it is.

I'm not surprised that this sort of thing has come up. And it is far from unprecedented in your America. (or Canada either) The real test is what happens to ideas like this. The world is full of people who distrust and hate, it's up to We the People to speak up and keep them in check. People like you, and Megyn Kelly, and myself and the rest of us.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[ryoder 1,590]

JerryBaumchen

Something about head in the sand or something; my memory is not so good anymore.

Or: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[billvon 3,090]

Registry for Muslims - perfectly OK. A few Muslims might be dangerous, after all. Better safe than sorry. If it protects Americans, it's worth the minor inconvenience. And no one will abuse it.

Registry for guns - what are you, Hitler?

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

What is so surprising about it?

Mexican are rapists.
Muslims are terrorists.
Women are property.

This has been the foundation of Trump's campaign from the start.

Right before Daylight Savings Time ended, there was a meme bouncing around FB.

"Don't forget to set your clock back an hour on Saturday night, and don't forget to vote so we don't set the country back 50 years on Tuesday."

The Japanese internment was actually about 70 years ago, but the idea is still correct.

"Make America Great Again"

Back to the times when women and minorities had basically no rights.

Fortunately, we have that pesky thing called the "Constitution" and those interfering "Judges" who will make this a bit difficult to implement.

It's been a long held principle that Constitutional rights apply to all people on US soil, not just citizens. Which is why the internment camps we currently have are on Cuban soil

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[rushmc 23]

this is just the beginning of the Trump bashing threads on this site and in the media

Same old tired play book with the Hitler comparison being the most desperate of the batch.

I like the suck it up cupcake law for you all too.

Enjoy your circle jerk.

I sure it will help you all relax

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ryoder 1,590]

So what did Justice Scalia think about internment?

In a recent speech in Hawaii, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia made some interesting predictions about two of the Supreme Court’s most notorious decisions: Kelo v. City of New London (2005), which ruled that government can condemn private property and give it to other private owners to promote “economic development,” and Korematsu v. United States (1944), which upheld the internment of over 100,000 Japanese-Americans in concentration camps during World War II.
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On Korematsu, Scalia unequivocally stated that the ruling was “wrong,” thereby differing with the small but noteworthy group of conservatives who have defended the decision in recent years, such as Judge Richard Posner and columnist Michelle Malkin. But he also predicted that a similar internment might be upheld in the future:

“But you are kidding yourself if you think the same thing will not happen again,” he said.

He used a Latin expression to explain why. “Inter arma enim silent leges … In times of war, the laws fall silent.”

“That’s what was going on — the panic about the war and the invasion of the Pacific and whatnot,” Scalia said. “That’s what happens. It was wrong, but I would not be surprised to see it happen again — in time of war. It’s no justification but it is the reality.”

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/02/08/justice-scalia-on-kelo-and-korematsu/

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[gowlerk 2,260]

rushmc

this is just the beginning of the Trump bashing threads on this site and in the media

Same old tired play book with the Hitler comparison being the most desperate of the batch.

I like the suck it up cupcake law for you all too.

Enjoy your circle jerk.

I sure it will help you all relax

Thanks for that. You are such an inspiring example of the best the right wing has to offer. Anger and insults, yes you are the best.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[rushmc 23]

gowlerk

***this is just the beginning of the Trump bashing threads on this site and in the media

Same old tired play book with the Hitler comparison being the most desperate of the batch.

I like the suck it up cupcake law for you all too.

Enjoy your circle jerk.

I sure it will help you all relax

Thanks for that. You are such an inspiring example of the best the right wing has to offer. Anger and insults, yes you are the best.

No anger here

Just face palms and head shaking from watching the anti Trumpers come un-glued.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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So, let's get you on the record then.

Rush, do you believe all Muslims in the US should be registered into a government database?

You can just answer yes or no. It's a simple question.

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[DanG 1]

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You can just answer yes or no. It's a simple question.

Good luck with that. He still hasn't admitted CBS didn't edit Trump's interview after the fact.

- Dan G

[billvon 3,090]

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this is just the beginning of the Trump bashing threads on this site and in the media
Same old tired play book with the Hitler comparison being the most desperate of the batch.
I like the suck it up cupcake law for you all too.
Enjoy your circle jerk.
I sure it will help you all relax

So in other words - you will watch other people do what you have done for the past eight years.

I look forward to watching you bitch about your own behavior.

[Bolas 5]

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So, let's get you on the record then.

Rush, do you believe all Muslims in the US should be registered into a government database?

You can just answer yes or no. It's a simple question.

That's not even what is being proposed above nor what Trump said.

This is all about immigrants, legal and illegal, and refugees. Not American citizens.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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This is all about immigrants, legal and illegal, and refugees. Not American citizens.

Legal immigrant isn't considered an American Citizen anymore?

[gowlerk 2,260]

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This is all about immigrants, legal and illegal, and refugees. Not American citizens.

Are you in favor of immigrants being required to:

A) State their religion for the record, and

B) Being placed on a list if that religion is one of the many forms of Islam?

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[gowlerk 2,260]

SkyDekker

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This is all about immigrants, legal and illegal, and refugees. Not American citizens.

Legal immigrant isn't considered an American Citizen anymore?

Many legal immigrants are not citizens. Same as in Canada. Immigration is a path to citizenship, it does not grant citizenship.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

gowlerk

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This is all about immigrants, legal and illegal, and refugees. Not American citizens.

Legal immigrant isn't considered an American Citizen anymore?

Many legal immigrants are not citizens. Same as in Canada. Immigration is a path to citizenship, it does not grant citizenship.

Very true. Many immigrants have become citizens, but there are also many who are either not citizens yet or have no intention of becoming one.

But, as I noted above, EVERYONE has rights. Citizen or immigrant, resident or tourist, even illegals - ALL OF THEM get the same rights guaranteed by the Constitution, BOR and subsequent amendments (and other stuff like Supreme Court rulings).

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[BartsDaddy 7]

wolfriverjoe

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This is all about immigrants, legal and illegal, and refugees. Not American citizens.

Legal immigrant isn't considered an American Citizen anymore?

Many legal immigrants are not citizens. Same as in Canada. Immigration is a path to citizenship, it does not grant citizenship.

Very true. Many immigrants have become citizens, but there are also many who are either not citizens yet or have no intention of becoming one.

But, as I noted above, EVERYONE has rights. Citizen or immigrant, resident or tourist, even illegals - ALL OF THEM get the same rights guaranteed by the Constitution, BOR and subsequent amendments (and other stuff like Supreme Court rulings).

I would dissagree with you all of them do not get the same rights. Many legal and all illegal immigrants can not legally buy or posses a firearm. And then there is voting. I probably could find more if I really tried.

But I would agree with you on the thought that they should be for anyone on US soil.

Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

BartsDaddy

I would dissagree with you all of them do not get the same rights. Many legal and all illegal immigrants can not legally buy or posses a firearm. And then there is voting. I probably could find more if I really tried.

But I would agree with you on the thought that they should be for anyone on US soil.

Very true. Although it could be argued that voting is more of a "duty" than a "right"

And, yes, non-legal residents don't have the same gun rights as do citizens and permanent alien residents (green card holders). There are likely a few others.

But the rights of "due process", 1st A rights to freedom of speech and religion, the somewhat nebulous right to "privacy", all the rights that would be rather blatantly violated by this proposal to "register" any Muslims (pretending to fight "terrorism") are applicable to anyone on US soil.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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gowlerk

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This is all about immigrants, legal and illegal, and refugees. Not American citizens.

Are you in favor of immigrants being required to:

A) State their religion for the record, and

B) Being placed on a list if that religion is one of the many forms of Islam?

We need better control over all immigration, legal and especially illegal. If an immigrant/refugee is from the Middle East, additional vetting and tracking may be needed, regardless of their stated religion which may or may not be true.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[BartsDaddy 7]

wolfriverjoe

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I would dissagree with you all of them do not get the same rights. Many legal and all illegal immigrants can not legally buy or posses a firearm. And then there is voting. I probably could find more if I really tried.

But I would agree with you on the thought that they should be for anyone on US soil.

Very true. Although it could be argued that voting is more of a "duty" than a "right"

And, yes, non-legal residents don't have the same gun rights as do citizens and permanent alien residents (green card holders). There are likely a few others.

But the rights of "due process", 1st A rights to freedom of speech and religion, the somewhat nebulous right to "privacy", all the rights that would be rather blatantly violated by this proposal to "register" any Muslims (pretending to fight "terrorism") are applicable to anyone on US soil.

Well you could argue it is a duty, but the amendment to let women vote clearly states it as a right.

I am in agreement with your last paragraph, But if they can limit the second amendment, what is stoping them from limiting others.

And no I am not saying they should be able to limit rights just saying they all ready are.

Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle