What will it take to "win" Monday's debate?

[ryoder 1,590]

yoink

I found it really frustrating to watch. What's the point of a debate if it's so poorly moderated?

High school debates are better chaired than this nonsense. If you stray from directly answering the questions put to you you get given a warning, then you lose your turn to retort. Period.
I don't think I saw one example where the candidates were forced to stick to the question, rather than go straight into their pre-planned jibes.

Completely useless.

Over on Bill Mahers FB page last night, someone commented that the moderator should have been Samuel L Jackson. Which prompted this followup comment:

"Say 'believe me' again. Say 'believe me' again, I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker, say 'believe me' one more goddamn time!"

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[JerryBaumchen 1,468]

Hi rush,

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Like you really fucking know!!!!!

And once again your true colors come through.

Well done, fella.

Jerry Baumchen

[rushmc 23]

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Be careful, many if not most of those Christians are black and Latino, and they ain't voting for your man.

And you think YOU know!!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 897]

Proving you know dick about the demographics of christians.
Last time I looked, it was majority Hispanic.
Who knew?

[rushmc 23]

normiss

Proving you know dick about the demographics of christians.
Last time I looked, it was majority Hispanic.
Who knew?

I was talking about knowing who they vote for!!!

Dick is back in your corner.....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Stumpy 284]

RonD1120

Consider:

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Only about 50 percent of Christians in America are registered to vote.


Of those, only 50 percent show up at the polls, meaning 75 percent of all Christians are not taking advantage of one of their greatest privileges.


If every Christian would register to vote and then do so, candidates who share their beliefs and values would win the presidency in a landslide.

www.yourvotematters.us

I am distributing those flyers in my area. In GA, 11 Oct 2016 is the registration deadline.

The figures may or may not be true - but have you spotted the logical flaw yet??

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[billvon 3,116]

>>Be careful, many if not most of those Christians are black and Latino, and they
>>ain't voting for your man.

>And you think YOU know!!!

Latest poll (NBC/WSJ) - black support for Trump 7%, latino support 18%

[kelpdiver 2]

rushmc

So Hillary bringing Mark Cuban is not a stunt then?

As Cuban finally admits, he was making shit up to rile Trump. Just as Flowers said she was invited even though the Trump campaign did not. Both are attention seeking. Earlier in the year Cuban 'volunteered' himself to be the VP candidate for both Clinton and Trump. Of course, no one had asked.

It's uncannily similar to how Trump tried to insert himself into the discussion 8 years ago. Mark's also a bit of a blowhard who thinks that because he cashed out early in the dotcom era, he's a genius. All evidence points to the contrary.

[jakee 1,595]

ryoder

Over on Bill Mahers FB page last night, someone commented that the moderator should have been Samuel L Jackson. Which prompted this followup comment:

"Say 'believe me' again. Say 'believe me' again, I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker, say 'believe me' one more goddamn time!"

Look Sam, Sam, Sam, lemme tell you something, lemme tell you something... OK Sam lemme tell you something...

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[nolhtairt 0]

Did anybody else's jaw drop when Trump mentioned "a 400 pound guy" when referring to hackers? I couldn't believe it. LMAO, then again, I shouldn't have been surprised.

[billvon 3,116]

>Did anybody else's jaw drop when Trump mentioned "a 400 pound guy"
>when referring to hackers?

Grigori not like when orange American asset talk about Grigori's weight.

[normiss 897]

I thought he was referring to Gov. Christie.

[ryoder 1,590]

This should be good: http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/alec-baldwin-cast-as-donald-trump-for-upcoming-snl-season-w442561

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[billvon 3,116]

I've been watching fivethirtyeight.com, a poll aggregator that keeps track of polls across the US. And on their polls-plus tracker (polls plus historical trends) the closest the two candidates have gotten was 55% to 45% (Clinton) on Monday, when the debate was held. Since then her lead has widened to 64% to 36%.

So I guess that's one way to define winning.

[kelpdiver 2]

billvon

I've been watching fivethirtyeight.com, a poll aggregator that keeps track of polls across the US. And on their polls-plus tracker (polls plus historical trends) the closest the two candidates have gotten was 55% to 45% (Clinton) on Monday, when the debate was held. Since then her lead has widened to 64% to 36%.

That value is not the polling - that is their estimation of likelihood to win 270 EC votes. In other words, they place the odds of the end of the world at still greater than 1 in 3. In mid August, it was 1 in 9. And just 4 days ago, it was nearly a coin flip. Those wild gyrations are all about the fairly close polling in the key battleground states where either candidate could still win. It only take a 5% shift in a state like Florida to substantially move the winner odds.

So a slight improvement, and it does seem like South Park is describing Trump's campaign goal accurately (try to lose), but I'll feel safer when it's back up to 89-11.

[billvon 3,116]

>That value is not the polling - that is their estimation of likelihood to win 270 EC votes.

Right. Those are the odds of winning the presidency rather than the results of a popularity poll. Those polls are moving by smaller amounts, since a 60% result in a poll results in a 99%+ likelihood of winning that state and all its electoral votes

One of the interesting things that site does is rate states by the odds of them tipping the election, which is informative. They also rate the odds three ways - by polls today, by poll trends and by trends plus confounding factors (like a state that trends more democratic than polls would indicate when the economy is recovering.)

[kelpdiver 2]

billvon

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One of the interesting things that site does is rate states by the odds of them tipping the election, which is informative. They also rate the odds three ways - by polls today, by poll trends and by trends plus confounding factors (like a state that trends more democratic than polls would indicate when the economy is recovering.)

With 538 it is important to read those details. They throw a lot of modeling at these questions (first known for sports predictions) but a lot rides on those decisions, just like any other. They're not always right, IMO.

[billvon 3,116]

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With 538 it is important to read those details. They throw a lot of modeling at these questions (first known for sports predictions) but a lot rides on those decisions, just like any other. They're not always right, IMO.

Definitely true. And the fact that they present three different results at any given time hints that they don't have "one answer" to the question (although when all three agree, the odds of one of them being right goes up.)

[ryoder 1,590]

For those who missed the debate, SNL re-aired it during their cold open: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nQGBZQrtT0

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[billvon 3,116]

See if you can tell if this is an excerpt from an SNL skit making fun of him, or an actual speech he gave this weekend:

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33,000 emails deleted. Bleached! Acid-washed! And then takes her phone and they hammer the hell out of them How many people have acid-washed or bleached a tweet? How many? That you deleted! So you delete it, but that’s not good enough. No, we got — this is getting crazy. Our country is becoming a third world country.

When you leave, is it worth it? Is it worth it? If we don’t win on November 8, I will say I don’t care what they write. I don’t care are if they have to give us a lot of credit — I think they have to give us credit — I will consider it a tremendous waste of time, energy, and money, believe me.

And it’s getting worse. It’s not getting better. It’s getting worse. And you’re unsuspecting. Right now, you say to your wife: “Let’s go to a movie after Trump.” But you won’t do that because you’ll be so high and so excited that no movie is going to satisfy you. Okay? No movie. You know why? Honestly? Because they don’t make movies like they used to — is that right? What a difference.
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[GeorgiaDon 380]

Maybe he'll make the best of it at the next debate, and show up in a gorilla suit and take a baseball bat to Hillary, the moderator, smash up the podium, declare "I win", and storm off and hold a rally somewhere. His supporters would love it, plenty of spectacle and raw anger, and none of that liberal ivory tower "policy" or "ideas" or "thinking" or "explaining".

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[billvon 3,116]

At his latest speech, his plan was to read a carefully written statement about how Clinton attacked Sanders and denigrated his supporters. This (his campaign thought) would "change the narrative" back to Clinton's statements on how she doesn't like Sanders supporters, and that she's a hypocrite because of it.

But he only made it through the first sentence of the statement. Then he launched into an anti-Bernie tirade himself, saying he had “a much bigger movement than Bernie Sanders ever had” and that he has “much bigger crowds than Bernie Sanders ever had.” Trump said "Crazy Bernie" made a “deal with the devil” by supporting Clinton.

Then he tried to go back on-script, but he couldn't manage more than a few sentences at the time. It didn't really matter by that point. The bizarre spectacle of Trump going after Clinton for attacking Sanders, while simultaneously attacking Sanders, was all people were focused on.

He made one more effort after that to read the script. “To sum up . . . .And I’ll tell you the other thing: She’s an incompetent woman. And I’ve seen it. She’s an incompetent woman.” After that he gave up on the script.

I am trying to imagine being a campaign strategist on Trump's campaign. After spending several 20-hour days coming up with a way to salvage his campaign, writing a script for him and then seeing him do this . . . .

[ryoder 1,590]

billvon

I am trying to imagine being a campaign strategist on Trump's campaign. After spending several 20-hour days coming up with a way to salvage his campaign, writing a script for him and then seeing him do this . . . .

Well, they could have done this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA62refAB2w

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[kelpdiver 2]

billvon

I am trying to imagine being a campaign strategist on Trump's campaign. After spending several 20-hour days coming up with a way to salvage his campaign, writing a script for him and then seeing him do this . . . .

I'd want to be paid in cash at the start of every day, or a retainer where the check has cleared.

[headoverheels 334]

Well, the GOP page has declared Pence the winner of the VP debate, hours before the debate starts.

https://twitter.com/pbump/status/783445396660027393