Cops kill another scary looking unarmed black man

[skycop 0]

Ok,
So you still have no idea, thanks for the clarification.

Here is another interaction I doubt you'll see on many news outlets for any length of time.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3db_1474325245

I've done this several times as well, so have many of my colleagues, you'll never see it on the news. Although many years ago, one of my guys had one jump.
Remember the before mentioned shit sandwich?

Get the idea now?

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[DanG 1]

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That 52% is the number of murders. It does not apply to me.

Huh?

You said:

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The same government that gives the 52% free stuff. You know like shelter, food, Obamacare and Obamaphone.

The government is giving that stuff to murder victims? That makes no sense.

Maybe you meant to say that government is giving free stuff to the 13% who commit those murders. In some case, I'm sure that's true. However, most of the those murder are being committed against other members of the 13%, so you have little to fear.

To be clear, when Ron says 13%, he means black people.

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Once again, I maintain that veterans benefits and social security are earned.

Sure they are. But people who get those benefits are included in the half of Americans right winders complain are sucking at the government teat and not contributing. They are complaining about you.

- Dan G

[billvon 3,132]

>>>The same government that gives the 52% free stuff. You know like shelter,
>>>food, Obamacare and Obamaphone.

>>Or veterans benefits and Social Security.
>>You know you are part of the 52%, right?

>That 52% is the number of murders. It does not apply to me.
>Once again, I maintain that veterans benefits and social security are earned.

No, Ron, you are part of that 52%. You are a taker; you get free stuff. (And no, 52% is not 'the number of murders.')

I know, you think you are entitled to it. I agree. Most people think they are entitled to _their_ free stuff as well. Some I agree with, some I don't. But the next time you start complaining about all the people who get "free stuff" take a good look in the mirror - because you are part of that 52%.

Or, if you feel strongly about it, stop cashing those government checks. Reject the evil Obama's money. Take the high road and put your money where your mouth is.

[skycop 0]

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I'm pretty sure that somewhere today a white guy, an asian guy, or an hispanic guy was unnecessarily shot by an LEO.

That is complete and utter BS.

But in the last week 5 cops have been shot, with at least one killed. They have responded and engaged threats involving IED's and armed terrorists, during these engagements the only casualties were LEO's and the bad guy.

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If you stay within established policies and reasonable procedures you should receive the complete support of the department, the city, and the public.

During lawsuits if you follow all the policy and procedures, the city or governing agency can be released from liability. By definition, guess where that can leave the individual officer? Potentially on their own.

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If that's going to be the new SOP, then hard ammo possibly needs to go away as well.

Hardly, extensive debriefs and training updates are constant. For everyone of these controversial incidents, there are ten of thousands similar incidents every year that go relatively as planned/trained.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[RonD1120 62]

This is getting confusing. The statistic is that 13% of the population commit 52% of the murders. And yes, it refers to Negroes.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[gowlerk 2,285]

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Hardly, extensive debriefs and training updates are constant. For everyone of these controversial incidents, there are ten of thousands similar incidents every year that go relatively as planned/trained.

As long as the public keeps insisting on accountability police performance will improve and more of the bad actors will be weeded out. Not everyone who holds a badge is suitable to do so. But it is going to get harder and hard for them to hide. And the ones who get through will have shorter careers. Sure, it's a tough job. But that is no excuse for covering up misdeeds of fellow officers. And that is a large part of the root of the problem. The "us against them" attitude that pervades this kind of service and always has.

Without the video from this latest incident it would have been swept under the rug like it always has been. Now we have the ability to see that not all police shootings are justified. The same accountability is going to prove that most are. As long as America is armed to the teeth the rate of police shootings is not going to go down much, if at all.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[justme12001 0]

Exactly!! When guns are pointed at you by the cops, you know they are already on edge. So put your hands in clear view and leave them there, do exactly what they say.

Why was this guy walking away from cops with guns drawn? Why did he feel the need to then reach into the vehicle?

Did he need to be shot, probably not, buy why in the hell do you walk away and then reach into the car?

[RonD1120 62]

I am sorry I got you and DanG so confused. Please see my explanation to him above.

I am not part of the 52% that was murdered by 13% of the population.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[normiss 906]

You repeatedly make it quite clear you are not a "negroe".
Just another angry old white dude.

[DanG 1]

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I am not part of the 52% that was murdered by 13% of the population.

I see why you're so scared now. You think that the darn blacks have already managed to kill off over half of the decent white folk in this country.

BTW, as a white man if you are murdered it is likely that your murderer will be another white man. Black people kill other black people, white people kill other white people. In general.

Statistically you should more afraid of other whites than blacks.

But where's the fun in that?

- Dan G

[justme12001 0]

I don't know Ron or what benefits he receives, but I would not call SS and veterans benefits "free stuff"!

I and all other legal workers in the US pay into SS. SS is supposed to be for our retirement. Veterans benefits are the same, if you were in the military there are certain benefits you are expected to have when you get out.

[normiss 906]

"Veterans benefits are the same, if you were in the military there are certain benefits you are expected to have when you get out. "
There are a shit ton of exceptions to that broad stroke, most of which hinges on length of time in service.
Those of us that only did one hitch get squat, unless you count the veterans discounts offered by private industry.

[skycop 0]

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As long as the public keeps insisting on accountability police performance will improve and more of the bad actors will be weeded out. Not everyone who holds a badge is suitable to do so. But it is going to get harder and hard for them to hide. And the ones who get through will have shorter careers.

You are exactly correct, the "bad actors" are less than 1%, I'd put that up against any other profession.

The only difference is a "good cop" is only one controversial incident away from the "bad cop, bad actor" mantra. Ask Darren Wilson.

The way for accountability is to get involved, get to know your local police department or precinct. Take a citizens police academy, do a ride along, the results will open your eyes.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[DanG 1]

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I don't know Ron or what benefits he receives, but I would not call SS and veterans benefits "free stuff"!

Of course not.

But in order to get to the infamous 47% that Romney talked about being "takers" you have to include people who get SS and veteran's benefits. Otherwise the "takers" are a much smaller proportion of the country and not nearly as scary.

- Dan G

[skycop 0]

By Justin Juozapavicius
Associated Press

TULSA, Okla. — An attorney for a white Oklahoma police officer who fatally shot an unarmed black man said the man ignored officers' commands, kept touching his pocket and was reaching through a window of his SUV when he was killed.

Police video from the incident Friday shows 40-year-old Terence Crutcher walking away from the officers and toward his SUV with his hands up then approaching the side of his vehicle, before an officer shocks him with a stun gun and he is fatally shot. Police were called to the scene to respond to a report of a stalled vehicle.


Police Chief Chuck Jordan announced Monday, before the video and audio recordings were released, that Crutcher had no weapon on him or in his SUV when he was shot. It's not clear from the footage what led Betty Shelby, the officer who fired the fatal shot, to draw her gun or what orders officers gave Crutcher. Shelby's attorney, Scott Wood, said Crutcher was not following the officers' commands and that Shelby was concerned because he kept reaching for his pocket as if he was carrying a weapon.

"He has his hands up and is facing the car and looks at Shelby, and his left hand goes through the car window, and that's when she fired her shot," Wood told the Tulsa World for a report Tuesday.

Local and federal investigations are underway to determine whether criminal charges are warranted in the shooting or if Crutcher's civil rights were violated.

Tulsa police helicopter footage was among several clips showing the shooting of Crutcher and its aftermath. In that video, a man in the helicopter that arrives above the scene as Crutcher walks to the vehicle can be heard saying "time for a Taser." He then says: "That looks like a bad dude, too. Probably on something."

Crutcher's twin sister, Tiffany Crutcher, called for charges Monday.

"The big bad dude was my twin brother. That big bad dude was a father," she said. "That big bad dude was a son. That big bad dude was enrolled at Tulsa Community College, just wanting to make us proud. That big bad dude loved God. That big bad dude was at church singing with all of his flaws, every week. That big bad dude, that's who he was."

Police video shows Crutcher walking toward his SUV that is stopped in the middle of the road. His hands are up and a female officer is following him. As Crutcher approaches the driver's side of the SUV, three male officers walk up and Crutcher appears to lower his hands and place them on the vehicle. The officers surround him, making it harder to see his actions from the dashboard camera's angle.

Crutcher can be seen dropping to the ground. Someone on the police radio says, "I think he may have just been tasered." One of the officers near Crutcher backs up slightly.

Then almost immediately, someone can be heard yelling, "Shots fired!" Crutcher's head then drops, leaving him completely lying out in the street.

After that, someone on the police radio can be heard saying, "Shots fired. We have one suspect down."

Officer Tyler Turnbough, who is also white, used a stun gun on Crutcher, police said. Shelby's attorney, Wood, said Turnbough fired the stun gun at the same time Shelby opened fire because both perceived a threat.

The shooting comes just four months after former Tulsa County volunteer deputy Robert Bates was sentenced to four years in prison on a second-degree manslaughter conviction in the 2015 death of an unarmed black man. Bates said he mistakenly grabbed his gun instead of his Taser. Shelby worked as a Tulsa County sheriff's deputy for four years before joining the Tulsa Police Department in December 2011, officials said. She has been placed on paid leave.

The initial moments of Crutcher's encounter with police are not shown in the footage, and Wood said the situation unfolded for about 2 minutes before the videos began. Shelby did not activate her patrol car's dashcam, said police spokeswoman Jeanne MacKenzie, and the ground-level video released Monday came from the car of a second officer who arrived at the scene.

Initial police briefings indicated Crutcher was not obeying officers' commands, but MacKenzie said Monday she didn't know what Crutcher was doing that prompted police to shoot. Two 911 calls described an SUV that had been abandoned in the middle of the road. One unidentified caller said the driver was acting strangely, adding, "I think he's smoking something."

After the shooting, Crutcher could be seen lying on the side of the road, blood pooling around his body, for nearly two minutes before anyone checked on him. When asked why police did not provide immediate assistance, MacKenzie said: "I don't know that we have protocol on how to render aid to people."

The American Civil Liberties Union of Oklahoma, which also called for charges, said Crutcher was left to bleed while officers stood by. The group's executive director, Ryan Kiesel, said Crutcher's death shows "how little regard" Tulsa police have for the community's minorities.

Dozens of protesters gathered outside the county courthouse Monday evening holding signs that read, "Justice 4 Crutch" and "Don't Shoot."

U.S. Attorney Danny C. Williams said the Department of Justice will conduct a civil rights investigation to determine if charges should be brought in the case.

Speaking Monday in Tulsa, civil rights attorney Benjamin Crump said Crutcher committed no crime and gave officers no reason to shoot him.

"When unarmed people of color break down on the side of the road, we're not treated as citizens needing help. We're treated as, I guess, criminals — suspects that they fear," said Crump, who is representing Crutcher's family just as he did relatives of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed, black Florida teenager who was fatally shot by a neighborhood watch volunteer in 2012.

He said Tulsa police drew their own conclusions about Crutcher.

"So I guess it's a crime now to be a big black man," Crump said. "My God, help us."

Copyright 2016 The Associated Press

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[normiss 906]

Sometimes you just gotta wish you were black...I can't even get a single cop to stop for a disabled vehicle, but look at the response this guy gets!
Even a helicopter!
Why does a guy with a disabled car need to be arrested???
It's disgusting how afraid some cops are in their response to people.
Automatically assume the guy is a threat because he has a broken down car?
What the actual fuck?

[jakee 1,611]

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A pilot is negligent and kills a couple hundred people, the media, and misguided people don't take to the internet and say all pilots are "bad"

When a pilot is negligent and kills a couple of hundred people he isn't investigated by his fellow pilots. His 'brother' pilots don't cover for him. Cockpit voice recorders aren't mysteriously erased. What happens is a truly independent investigation in which the only concerns are with the facts of what happened.

There's a good parallel though - how ridiculous would it be if a pilot accused the NTSB of a politically motivated witch hunt because they found a pattern of lax procedures and negligence at an airline following a fatal crash?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[aphid 0]

skycop

Ok,
So you still have no idea, thanks for the clarification.

Here is another interaction I doubt you'll see on many news outlets for any length of time.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3db_1474325245

I've done this several times as well, so have many of my colleagues, you'll never see it on the news. Although many years ago, one of my guys had one jump.
Remember the before mentioned shit sandwich?

Get the idea now?

Yes officer, I understand.

Perhaps I am blessed as my interactions with the RCMP , OPP, QPP, and various city police in Canada have been most acceptable. However, I have had less-than-positive interactions with police on your side of our border, including the (verbal) threat of physical violence for innocently removing my riding leathers in 92 degree weather in Coolidge, AZ, after we had already been talking pleasantly (or so I thought) for at least 3 minutes.

So, if am slammed to the pavement, I'll be sure to remind myself that somewhere an equally zealous conscientious policeman is talking somebody, somewhere, off a ledge. And sadly won't be receiving any glory for it.

[StreetScooby 5]

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1) 52% of the murders are committed by 13% of the population,

That 13% includes both men and women. Black men are far more prone to violence than black women. And, not every black man is violent. I'd expect much less than half of them are. So, that means it's more like less than 2% of the population is committing 52% of the murders.

We are all engines of karma

[DanG 1]

I know this is going to totally fuck up your narrative, but you should be looking at poverty instead of skin color. From the Bureau of Justice Statistics:

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For the period 2008–12—
Persons in poor households at or below the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) (39.8 per 1,000) had more than double the rate of violent victimization as persons in high-income households (16.9 per 1,000).
Persons in poor households had a higher rate of violence involving a firearm (3.5 per 1,000) compared to persons above the FPL (0.8–2.5 per 1,000).
The overall pattern of poor persons having the highest rates of violent victimization was consistent for both whites and blacks. However, the rate of violent victimization for Hispanics did not vary across poverty levels.
Poor Hispanics (25.3 per 1,000) had lower rates of violence compared to poor whites (46.4 per 1,000) and poor blacks (43.4 per 1,000).
Poor persons living in urban areas (43.9 per 1,000) had violent victimization rates similar to poor persons living in rural areas (38.8 per 1,000).
Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000).

Study here: http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137

- Dan G

[RonD1120 62]

I am a category 8 VA Healthcare patient. That means I have co-pays. And, I just learned that I make too much money to qualify for travel pay.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

I know that the 52% murder rate is mostly Negro killing Negro. But, I also know that Negroes will rob and beat up whites because we are likely to have more money. I try to stay out of their territory and I carry.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[kelpdiver 2]

gowlerk

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Agreed to an extent, but the same would go for a large white guy, in this situation, not following commands in the same manner.

Ah, you don't know that. And neither do I. But there are reasons to believe that black men attract more negative attention from police, and white society in general than their white peers. The police, and their attitudes are merely a reflection of the culture they are from.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2016/07/11/study_finds_police_officers_no_more_likely_to_shoot_black_suspects.html

"It finds that while blacks and Hispanics are in fact more likely than whites to experience nonlethal force after being stopped by law enforcement, they are not more likely to be shot."

"After controlling for all the circumstances surrounding the incidents, such as the kind of crime involved or the time of day, Fryer found that police were 47 percent less likely to shoot black suspects who hadn't already attacked them compared with whites. And they were 43 percent less likely to fire on Hispanics, compared with whites."

There's a clear difference in the stop/arrest rates for minorities, but when it comes to use of lethal force, that's not supported by the data. Given how recently this person released this study (got in the new in early July), there will be considerable followup, but this is a well regarded up and coming economist.

[jakee 1,611]

StreetScooby

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1) 52% of the murders are committed by 13% of the population,

That 13% includes both men and women. Black men are far more prone to violence than black women. And, not every black man is violent. I'd expect much less than half of them are. So, that means it's more like less than 2% of the population is committing 52% of the murders.

Ummm, ok....

But if you're going to start being all reductionist you really should go the whole hog. According to the FBI there were 14,000 murders in 2013 with a population of 319,000,000. Even if you assume that each killer murders one person then 0.005% of the population is committing 100% of the murders. The horror!

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kelpdiver 2]

kallend

Are they equally concerned that 73% of the nation's assets are owned by 10% of the population? Does it occur to them that these facts may be related?

If we looked just at black owned assets, do you think it would further widen to 90 (95?) and 5? Would that mean anything?

As to your statement....given that most of the murders being committed by those 13% (blacks) are against other blacks, it seems unlikely that the wealth owned by that 10% is a factor. In reality, it's mostly felons killing felons, presumably for control over illicit markets (ie, drugs).