DanG 1 #26 August 30, 2016 Quoteseems like you're equating same-sex molestation with homosexuality - be careful, the libs will tear you a new asshole for that one. Um no. Same sex molestation is an indicator of homosexuality. It is not the equivalent. Try making out a Venn diagram. I understand logic isn't your strong suit, but I'm sure you understand this. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #27 August 30, 2016 QuoteIt's interesting that when it's a pastor accused of molestation, "there's a special place in hell for those types" - but when it's done as a result of prostitution, "meh, it's a woman's right - shit happens - legalize it anyway!" That's because many of us see a difference between consensual sex between two adults and sexually assaulting a child. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #28 August 30, 2016 QuoteIt's interesting that when it's a pastor accused of molestation, "there's a special place in hell for those types" - but when it's done as a result of prostitution, "meh, it's a woman's right - shit happens - legalize it anyway!" I'm sorry, what is the 'it' that is done as a result of prostitution that people don't care bout? Are you suggesting that people who support legalisation of prostitution don't think those who rape, traffic or control prostitutes against their will should be punished? That would be like suggesting that gun-rights advocates don't think people who carry out drive by shootings should go to jail because 'meh, it's a second amendment right to have a gun, shit happens'.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #29 August 30, 2016 Coreeece************...but don't you find it a bit peculiar that the accusation comes shortly after an insult toward homosexuals on a national level? Also, I'm a bit surprised to see you rush to oppose due process. Nobody is saying due process here should be leapt over. What I'm saying is, there is a special place in hell for people who commit sexual abuse on children and that hell might be more than simply mythological and can exist in a prison and I have no problem with this particular jackass being abused. If it comes to that, then he will truly be dealt justice. Sounds like you have already convicted him. Why are you the only one who can't figure out what he's talking about? He's talking about if the the guy goes to jail - going to jail meaning he's convicted. Typically when one is arrested, they are placed in a holding cell or "drunk tank" and await processing into the general county jail population. In jail, word of your rap sheet tends to get around pretty quickly. Men in the tank that have been accused of molestation -or even kidnapping- have been known to be beaten half to death or even killed. If you're lucky enough to make it to gen pop, you'll most likely face a similar fate before you post bail or make it to your day in court. In the very least, you'll be forced to eat and sleep on the ground like a dog - unless of course they take your food away as well - along with any dignity that you may have left. You will be ridiculed night and day - they will pass gas in your face as they walk by and maybe even shit on your head - don't even bother going to the shower, brah. Many men falsely accused have been subject to this humiliation by those that share the same mindset as quade. It's interesting that when it's a pastor accused of molestation, "there's a special place in hell for those types" - but when it's done as a result of prostitution, "meh, it's a woman's right - shit happens - legalize it anyway!" So now you're the champion against the threat of misunderstood internet comments leading to vigilantism in the prison system? Ok."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #30 August 30, 2016 DanGQuoteIt's interesting that when it's a pastor accused of molestation, "there's a special place in hell for those types" - but when it's done as a result of prostitution, "meh, it's a woman's right - shit happens - legalize it anyway!" What a load of horseshit. No one has been advocating for child prostitution. No, they just ignore it. Apparently the right of a woman to sell herself for sex is more important than addressing the concern that legalized prostitution tends to increase human trafficking - talk about horseshit.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #31 August 30, 2016 DanGQuoteseems like you're equating same-sex molestation with homosexuality - be careful, the libs will tear you a new asshole for that one. Um no. Same sex molestation is an indicator of homosexuality. It is not the equivalent. Try making out a Venn diagram. I understand logic isn't your strong suit, but I'm sure you understand this. Ryoder's the one that implied it, yet you rip me the new asshole.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #32 August 30, 2016 billvonQuoteIt's interesting that when it's a pastor accused of molestation, "there's a special place in hell for those types" - but when it's done as a result of prostitution, "meh, it's a woman's right - shit happens - legalize it anyway!" That's because many of us see a difference between consensual sex between two adults and sexually assaulting a child. But apparently they don't see how the decriminalization of prostitution tends to increase those sexual assaults. Perhaps those issues should be addressed before rushing to legalize.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #33 August 30, 2016 jakeeQuoteIt's interesting that when it's a pastor accused of molestation, "there's a special place in hell for those types" - but when it's done as a result of prostitution, "meh, it's a woman's right - shit happens - legalize it anyway!" I'm sorry, what is the 'it' that is done as a result of prostitution that people don't care bout? Are you suggesting that people who support legalisation of prostitution don't think those who rape, traffic or control prostitutes against their will should be punished? No. I'm saying that when a pastor molests a child, it's like the worst thing ever, right? Even rapists and murderers don't tolerate that type of behavior - It even brings atheists to believe in the "special places" of hell. ...but when it comes to facts that suggest sexual abuse tends to increase with the legalization of prostitution, nobody wants to hear that -they either ignore it or change the subject. You'd think that if people found sexual assault on children to be so loathsome, they'd be at least willing to forego legalization of prostitution until there were measures that would mitigate that loss - but they just ignore it all together and fight me because they think I'm using the research to shove my religious beliefs down their throat. It makes it seem like they're not as concerned about the children as they are with only pointing out the religious people that sexually abuse them. jakeeThat would be like suggesting that gun-rights advocates don't think people who carry out drive by shootings should go to jail because 'meh, it's a second amendment right to have a gun, shit happens'. I explained my view on guns vs prostitution here.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #34 August 30, 2016 DJL So now you're the champion against the threat of misunderstood internet comments leading to vigilantism in the prison system? Ok. No, you just seemed a bit confused on how the criminal justice system worked. That's the last time I try helping you out - jeeze.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #35 August 30, 2016 >But apparently they don't see how the decriminalization of prostitution tends to >increase those sexual assaults. Just as the decriminalization of guns leads to more shooting deaths of children. Does that mean you read about the murder of a three year old child via a drive-by shooting and say "meh - it's the killer's right to carry a gun - who cares?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #36 August 30, 2016 billvon>But apparently they don't see how the decriminalization of prostitution tends to >increase those sexual assaults. Just as the decriminalization of guns leads to more shooting deaths of children. Does that mean you read about the murder of a three year old child via a drive-by shooting and say "meh - it's the killer's right to carry a gun - who cares?" I already addressed that in this post: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4813082;search_string=50%25%20decline%20in%20gun%20related%20crime;#4813082 How about you respond to that before bringing it up repeatedly in other threads?Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #37 August 30, 2016 > I'm saying that when a pastor molests a child, it's like the worst thing ever, right? No. Molesting him and then killing him would be worse. But it's still very, very bad. I am surprised this is a thing with you. >You'd think that if people found sexual assault on children to be so loathsome, >they'd be at least willing to forego legalization of prostitution until there were >measures that would mitigate that loss . . . An excellent point. Here in the US we have: -RICO, which applies to anyone running a criminal organization like an illegal brothel or trafficking operation. -Laws that require legal brothels to register both themselves and their employees. -Laws that prohibit prostitution outside of licensed brothels, prohibit encouraging others to become prostitutes, and prohibit living off the proceeds of a prostitute. -A law (passed in 2009) that provides long prison terms, fines up to half a million dollars, and forfeiture of any property needed to support the victims if someone trafficks in underage prostitutes - AND protects the prostitute that comes forward with the information. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #38 August 31, 2016 QuoteRyoder's the one that implied it, yet you rip me the new asshole. No, he didn't. You are the only one who brought it up. Let me clarify. All molesters of same-sex children are homosexuals. All homosexuals are not molesters of same-sex children. Get it now? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #39 August 31, 2016 QuoteNo, they just ignore it. Apparently the right of a woman to sell herself for sex is more important than addressing the concern that legalized prostitution tends to increase human trafficking - talk about horseshit. How are we to address that concern? What laws would you propose that would effectively address the concern around human trafficking? And by the way, you've provided one study that says human trafficking gets worse with legalized prostitution. There are other studies which do not come to the same conclusion, so the issue is hardly settled. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #40 August 31, 2016 DanGQuoteRyoder's the one that implied it, yet you rip me the new asshole. No, he didn't. You are the only one who brought it up. Let me clarify. All molesters of same-sex children are homosexuals. All homosexuals are not molesters of same-sex children. Get it now? Makes sense, but I was under the impression that the sex of a child doesn't matter to a pedophile, regardless of whether they are homosexual or not.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #41 August 31, 2016 DanGQuoteNo, they just ignore it. Apparently the right of a woman to sell herself for sex is more important than addressing the concern that legalized prostitution tends to increase human trafficking - talk about horseshit. How are we to address that concern? What laws would you propose that would effectively address the concern around human trafficking? There are already laws in place against trafficking. The idea here is that the scale effect of legalized prostitution would only make the problem worse. It is the responsibility of advocates for legalization to make sure that doesn't happen since I don't support it either way. I don't see myself ever voting "yes" to legalize. At the very best, I would simply decide not to vote if those concerns were addressed - I'd vote "no" if they weren't. Also, it would be their responsibility to make sure that any protections under a new law for prostitutes were implemented properly, unlike places such as Germany where legal prostitution was sold under the idea that it would make everything better, but only a handful of prostitutes actually have legal contracts that would protect them. The majority of prostitutes are migrant workers that are unaware of their rights and human trafficking is running amok. DanGAnd by the way, you've provided one study that says human trafficking gets worse with legalized prostitution. There are other studies which do not come to the same conclusion, so the issue is hardly settled. It was a cross-sectional study comparing the numbers of over 100+ countries - those numbers don't lie. Saying that there are different studies that don't come to the same conclusion is not a justification to ignore those numbers. I'm familiar with some smaller scale studies that looked at prostitution in places like New Zealand and Australia and came to different conclusions, but you have to consider the characteristics of that region. It's much more difficult to travel to Australia/New Zealand than it is to travel throughout Europe. It's also a smaller area, with a relatively smaller population. It's much more lucrative to operate where there are more people willing to spend the money with less risk and more "hiding" places to transfer trafficking victims. Also, IMO, one of the issues with the study that I posted is that when you have places like Sweden criminalizing prostitution, all the prostitutes and traffickers just move to places like Germany where there is more business and less risk - so we have to ask how relevant is that when considering legalized prostitution in the U.S.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #42 August 31, 2016 The irony is that Adkins is against sex between two males, and then he went and committed a sex act on another male. Can you really not see the irony? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #43 August 31, 2016 What does that have to do with what I posted?Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #44 August 31, 2016 Coreeece***QuoteRyoder's the one that implied it, yet you rip me the new asshole. No, he didn't. You are the only one who brought it up. Let me clarify. All molesters of same-sex children are homosexuals. All homosexuals are not molesters of same-sex children. Get it now? Makes sense, but I was under the impression that the sex of a child doesn't matter to a pedophile, regardless of whether they are homosexual or not. As I've read it that's accurate. The two are/can be mutually exclusive. Pedophiles are just fucked in the head."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #45 August 31, 2016 Forget it. I give up. You win. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #46 August 31, 2016 DanGThe irony is that Adkins is against sex between two males, and then he went and committed a sex act on another male. Can you really not see the irony? Actually, that makes sense entirely. It's long been held by some religious groups (Not all, don't everyone get their panties in a bunch) that pedophilia is in direct correlation with homosexuality. It's not just irony, it's that his hard line against homosexuality probably stems from his own self-loathing. Again, IF IF IF he is guilty."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #47 August 31, 2016 DanGQuoteRyoder's the one that implied it, yet you rip me the new asshole. No, he didn't. You are the only one who brought it up. Let me clarify. All molesters of same-sex children are homosexuals. All homosexuals are not molesters of same-sex children. Get it now? That is an assumption. Unless you are a homosexual, how would you know? Stating that as fact is folly. Some people are just evil.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #48 August 31, 2016 QuoteThat is an assumption. Unless you are a homosexual, how would you know? Stating that as fact is folly. OK. Like I said, I give up. It doesn't matter. You people win. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #49 August 31, 2016 DanGQuoteThat is an assumption. Unless you are a homosexual, how would you know? Stating that as fact is folly. OK. Like I said, I give up. It doesn't matter. You people win. So that means you're a homosexual?"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #50 August 31, 2016 Apparently. Don't tell my wife. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
