normiss 895 #26 July 23, 2016 I'm saying the "militias" are poorly regulated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #27 July 23, 2016 QuoteI'm saying the "militias" are poorly regulated. Which poorly regulated militias are responsible for: QuoteUnnecessary deaths and shootings, irresponsible ownership and storage resulting in shootings, lack of proper background checks, illegal transfer of weapons. ??? Derek V Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 895 #28 July 23, 2016 Seems your Google is broken. Have you not been paying attention? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #29 July 23, 2016 QuoteSeems your Google is broken. Have you not been paying attention? I have been paying attention and I do not see where poorly regulated militias are responsible for; "Unnecessary deaths and shootings, irresponsible ownership and storage resulting in shootings, lack of proper background checks, illegal transfer of weapons." Can you provide a link? Derek V Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 895 #30 July 23, 2016 Then by your wording, why do people not in a militia have any business with a weapon? Care to explain how you own a weapon as a mere citizen not in a "militia". Maybe you've accidentally found the solution after all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #31 July 23, 2016 I am not following. You said; "Except they aren't very well regulated at this point. Hence the problems we're seeing." I asked you what problems militias are causing. You said; "Unnecessary deaths and shootings, irresponsible ownership and storage resulting in shootings, lack of proper background checks, illegal transfer of weapons. " I asked which militias are responsible for these problems. You said; "Seems your Google is broken. Have you not been paying attention? " I am just asking you to back up your claim regarding poorly regulated militias causing these problems you describe. Can you provide a link? Derek V Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 895 #32 July 24, 2016 You're missing the "well regulated" part which has been supported by the supreme court, that was my point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #33 July 24, 2016 QuoteYou're missing the "well regulated" part which has been supported by the supreme court, that was my point. I am just asking you to back up your claim regarding poorly regulated militias causing these problems you describe. Can you provide a link? Or are you trying to apply the 'well regulated' to 'arms' instead of 'militia'? Derek V Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #34 July 24, 2016 HooknswoopKallend: Quote"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their...": 13th Amendment to the Constitution. Kallend: ***The classic fall-back position when logic doesn't work. Appeal to the authority of 250 year old dead white slave owners who had never seen or even conceived of a semi automatic weapon. I borrowed the tactic from you...... Do you think the entire Constitution should be tosses, since it was written by, "250 year old dead white slave owners"? Derek V It has been amended 27 times, as recently as May 1992. Stuff that was meaningful in the 18th Century is not necessarily meaningful today, which is why there is a process in place for changing it. Or do you really think some people are still only worth 3/5 of others, like the white slave owning founding fathers did?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #35 July 24, 2016 HooknswoopI am not following. You said; "Except they aren't very well regulated at this point. Hence the problems we're seeing." I asked you what problems militias are causing. You said; "Unnecessary deaths and shootings, irresponsible ownership and storage resulting in shootings, lack of proper background checks, illegal transfer of weapons. " I asked which militias are responsible for these problems. You said; "Seems your Google is broken. Have you not been paying attention? " I am just asking you to back up your claim regarding poorly regulated militias causing these problems you describe. Can you provide a link? Derek V If weapons are made available just for "Well regulated" militias, it doesn't seem like their very well regulated with the number of non-militia related shootings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhays 86 #36 July 24, 2016 QuoteFirearm homicides per 100,000 population: Germany 0.07 USA 3.43 Maybe that place where "guns are banned" is on to something. Not to mention the overall gun death per 100,000.... Germany 2012 -- 1.01 and on a steady 14 year decline USA 2012 -- 10.69 and holding steady since 99.“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #37 July 24, 2016 QuoteIf weapons are made available just for "Well regulated" militias, it doesn't seem like their very well regulated with the number of non-militia related shootings. Why would weapons just be made available to well regulated militias? Isn't the original intent of the 2nd amendment was for the citizens to own arms so that they could be recruited into a "well regulated militia" if necessary? Derek V Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #38 July 24, 2016 I get it, when you agree with the constitution and/or amendments, you quote it. When you disagree with it, you point out that quoting it is, "The classic fall-back position when logic doesn't work. Appeal to the authority of 250 year old dead white slave owners". Nice strategy, you can't lose! Derek V Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #39 July 24, 2016 tonyhays Not to mention the overall gun death per 100,000.... Germany 2012 -- 1.01 and on a steady 14 year decline USA 2012 -- 10.69 and holding steady since 99. I assume "gun deaths" includes suicide and accidents? Because US murder rates/100,000 peaked at 10.2 in 1980, and have been on a steady decline since then, (4.5 in 2014). Source: http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhays 86 #40 July 24, 2016 QuoteI assume "gun deaths" includes suicide and accidents? Yep. Sourced from http://www.gunpolicy.org/“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #41 July 25, 2016 HooknswoopQuoteIf weapons are made available just for "Well regulated" militias, it doesn't seem like their very well regulated with the number of non-militia related shootings. Why would weapons just be made available to well regulated militias? Isn't the original intent of the 2nd amendment was for the citizens to own arms so that they could be recruited into a "well regulated militia" if necessary? Derek V If that is the intent, then why have it at anymore? Between your armed forces, including the National guard, how many more well regulated militias do you need? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #42 July 25, 2016 SkyDekker***QuoteIf weapons are made available just for "Well regulated" militias, it doesn't seem like their very well regulated with the number of non-militia related shootings. Why would weapons just be made available to well regulated militias? Isn't the original intent of the 2nd amendment was for the citizens to own arms so that they could be recruited into a "well regulated militia" if necessary? Derek V If that is the intent, then why have it at anymore? Between your armed forces, including the National guard, how many more well regulated militias do you need? One that can stop a corrupt government from over reaching. Exactly that many and no more.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #43 July 25, 2016 turtlespeed******QuoteIf weapons are made available just for "Well regulated" militias, it doesn't seem like their very well regulated with the number of non-militia related shootings. Why would weapons just be made available to well regulated militias? Isn't the original intent of the 2nd amendment was for the citizens to own arms so that they could be recruited into a "well regulated militia" if necessary? Derek V If that is the intent, then why have it at anymore? Between your armed forces, including the National guard, how many more well regulated militias do you need? One that can stop a corrupt government from over reaching. Exactly that many and no more. The NG did a good job of that at Kent State.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #44 July 25, 2016 kallend*********QuoteIf weapons are made available just for "Well regulated" militias, it doesn't seem like their very well regulated with the number of non-militia related shootings. Why would weapons just be made available to well regulated militias? Isn't the original intent of the 2nd amendment was for the citizens to own arms so that they could be recruited into a "well regulated militia" if necessary? Derek V If that is the intent, then why have it at anymore? Between your armed forces, including the National guard, how many more well regulated militias do you need? One that can stop a corrupt government from over reaching. Exactly that many and no more. The NG did a good job of that at Kent State. You don't get it - NATIONAL guard. Not independent militia against the government.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 895 #45 July 25, 2016 Where did you come up with "independent"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #46 July 25, 2016 turtlespeed************QuoteIf weapons are made available just for "Well regulated" militias, it doesn't seem like their very well regulated with the number of non-militia related shootings. Why would weapons just be made available to well regulated militias? Isn't the original intent of the 2nd amendment was for the citizens to own arms so that they could be recruited into a "well regulated militia" if necessary? Derek V If that is the intent, then why have it at anymore? Between your armed forces, including the National guard, how many more well regulated militias do you need? One that can stop a corrupt government from over reaching. Exactly that many and no more. The NG did a good job of that at Kent State. You don't get it - NATIONAL guard. Not independent militia against the government. The Kent State shootings occurred at Kent State University in Kent, Ohio and involved the shooting of unarmed college students by the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #47 July 25, 2016 normissWhere did you come up with "independent"? Seriously? Why would a government militia want to raise arms against another government militia? The second amendment is there to protect AGAINST the government.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 895 #48 July 25, 2016 The amendment doesn't make the distinctions you've created. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #49 July 25, 2016 kallend***************QuoteIf weapons are made available just for "Well regulated" militias, it doesn't seem like their very well regulated with the number of non-militia related shootings. Why would weapons just be made available to well regulated militias? Isn't the original intent of the 2nd amendment was for the citizens to own arms so that they could be recruited into a "well regulated militia" if necessary? Derek V If that is the intent, then why have it at anymore? Between your armed forces, including the National guard, how many more well regulated militias do you need? One that can stop a corrupt government from over reaching. Exactly that many and no more. The NG did a good job of that at Kent State. You don't get it - NATIONAL guard. Not independent militia against the government. The Kent State shootings occurred at Kent State University in Kent, Ohio and involved the shooting of unarmed college students by the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. The second amendment is to protect us against the government not protect the government against the national guard.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 895 #50 July 25, 2016 Ever wonder why the word 'State' is capitalized and what that might mean? Words man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
