turtlespeed 226 #1 July 22, 2016 Starting from scratch. Say she had to start filling out the paperwork today for a Top Secret and above clearance, would Hillary be able to pass? I know that some of you, as I do,have held clearances and know what it takes to get one, maintain it and the rules that go with it. So honestly . . . Would she be granted a Top Secret and above clearance today?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #2 July 22, 2016 >Starting from scratch. >Say she had to start filling out the paperwork today for a Top Secret and above >clearance, would Hillary be able to pass? Starting from scratch? No GOP smears, political investigations or attempts to "bring her numbers down?" Probably. With all that? Definitely not. Now here's a question for you. Let's say someone (we'll say the democratic party) spent $80 million dollars investigating everything you ever did or said. They went to DZ.com and looked at every single post you ever made. They went through the secure material you handled and did a pattern match to see if the same words ever appeared in any of your emails or online posts. They looked at everyone you ever talked to on DZ.com or jumped with and looked into THEIR pasts to see if any of them were a security risk - and then demanded a transcript from you of any discussions you had with them. They investigated the IT department at every company you ever worked at, and then held you responsible for any errors they made in maintaining confidentiality. They talked to people at skydiver parties you have been at to see how much you drank, so they could establish a "pattern of risk" due to your alcoholism. If they did all that, do you think you could, today, get a security clearance? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #3 July 22, 2016 Hell with a security clearance, FIRING SQUAD NOW! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #4 July 22, 2016 billvon Starting from scratch? No GOP smears, political investigations or attempts to "bring her numbers down?" Probably. With all that? Definitely not. Now here's a question for you. Let's say someone (we'll say the democratic party) spent $80 million dollars investigating everything you ever did or said. They went to DZ.com and looked at every single post you ever made. They went through the secure material you handled and did a pattern match to see if the same words ever appeared in any of your emails or online posts. They looked at everyone you ever talked to on DZ.com or jumped with and looked into THEIR pasts to see if any of them were a security risk - and then demanded a transcript from you of any discussions you had with them. They investigated the IT department at every company you ever worked at, and then held you responsible for any errors they made in maintaining confidentiality. They talked to people at skydiver parties you have been at to see how much you drank, so they could establish a "pattern of risk" due to your alcoholism. If they did all that, do you think you could, today, get a security clearance? Bolding mine. Many people would not survive that level of scrutiny. That's why a lot of qualified candidates for higher office stay out of it. And why we have the "leadership" we have. (we really need a "sarcasm" font)"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #5 July 22, 2016 normiss Hell with a security clearance, FIRING SQUAD NOW! The penalty for treason is traditionally hanging by the neck until dead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #6 July 22, 2016 Clearly the lack of allowed you to miss my sarcasm. My apologies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #7 July 22, 2016 normiss Clearly the lack of allowed you to miss my sarcasm. My apologies. So... Even without the recent FBI investigation. All the other events she was involved with - any one of those would keep her out of much more than classified.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #8 July 22, 2016 Oh for fucks sake man, read more than the headlines. Like the reports from the investigations. Why do you hate the law so much? Being investigated does not necessarily preclude a security clearance. Being hated with zero legal proof required to charge, much less convict, is not a death sentence in this country. Read the Smith and Bond Amendments specifically, but Clearances would also be a good place to start. Someday I hope your computer gets the Google search engine upgrade too as you're sadly lacking that ability. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #9 July 22, 2016 QuoteAll the other events she was involved with - any one of those would keep her out of much more than classified. Which events would those be? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 186 #10 July 22, 2016 She killed Vince Foster doncha know! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #11 July 22, 2016 DanGQuoteAll the other events she was involved with - any one of those would keep her out of much more than classified. Which events would those be? Hell, just some of the people she has had meetings with. Louis Farrakhan for one. Ask yourself this - if she was actually put under the scrutiny that you would be for a TS clearance right now - you really think she would pass?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #12 July 22, 2016 winsor ***Hell with a security clearance, FIRING SQUAD NOW! The penalty for treason is traditionally hanging by the neck until dead. You don't really expect one of Trump's advisors (Al Baldasaro) to be aware of facts like that, do you? The firing squad has more truthiness.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #13 July 22, 2016 kallend ******Hell with a security clearance, FIRING SQUAD NOW! The penalty for treason is traditionally hanging by the neck until dead. You don't really expect one of Trump's advisors (Al Baldasaro) to be aware of facts like that, do you? The firing squad has more truthiness. I think they should think of it less as punishment and more as a form of entertainment. They could make a reality show out of it, say, "Dancing on Air." Has a nice ring to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niki1 2 #14 July 23, 2016 normiss Hell with a security clearance, FIRING SQUAD NOW! All of us, up against the wall. NOW!! Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossilbe before they were done. Louis D Brandeis Where are we going and why are we in this basket? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #15 July 23, 2016 Meeting with Farakhan would not prevent anyone from getting a TS clearance. What else? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #16 July 23, 2016 DanGMeeting with Farakhan would not prevent anyone from getting a TS clearance. What else? Did Nixon get indicted?If Not - WHY not? The same scenario went down with Hillary.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #17 July 23, 2016 turtlespeed***Meeting with Farakhan would not prevent anyone from getting a TS clearance. What else? Did Nixon get indicted?If Not - WHY not? The same scenario went down with Hillary. Interesting you bring up Nixon. That is who Trump used as a role model for his acceptance speech. Weird choice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #18 July 23, 2016 turtlespeed***Meeting with Farakhan would not prevent anyone from getting a TS clearance. What else? Did Nixon get indicted?If Not - WHY not? The same scenario went down with Hillary. Hillary received a pre-emptive pardon? When was that? I must have missed the announcement.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #19 July 23, 2016 turtlespeed***Meeting with Farakhan would not prevent anyone from getting a TS clearance. What else? Did Nixon get indicted?If Not - WHY not? The same scenario went down with Hillary. Nixon resigned before he could be impeached and received a presidential pardon before he could be indicted. When exactly did the same scenario go down with Hilary, because I'm pretty sure I never heard about it?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #20 July 23, 2016 IagoWell, you do have to factor iin that the people doing the investigation have careers. Those careers are dependent on their superiors being successful. The superiors in mention could potentially be direct reports to the person being investigated. I call that a serious conflict of interest. The Director of the FBI is a registered Republican who has amazing job security with his 10-year appointment. Rep. Trey Gowdy (R) does not depend on any superior being successful. Neither could come up with any evidence of wrongdoing despite $Millions of taxpayer money being spent on the witchhunt.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #21 July 23, 2016 IagoI'm pretty sure a two year elected member of Congress can't have a side job as director of the FBI. The use of the ord 'neither' is a hint that he is talking about two different people. A member of congress and an FBI director. You have to pay attention or you can miss these little things. QuoteYou have tenure at your university. Does that insulate you from a provost making your life miserable to the point where you have to resign? No, but Illinois law would, tenure or no tenure. Google 'constructive dismissal'. It's a thing. A good thing.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #22 July 24, 2016 IagoI'm pretty sure a two year elected member of Congress can't have a side job as director of the FBI. . Didn't they teach you about paragraphs where you went to school?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #23 July 24, 2016 Iago You have tenure at your university. No I don't.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #24 July 24, 2016 kallend***Well, you do have to factor iin that the people doing the investigation have careers. Those careers are dependent on their superiors being successful. The superiors in mention could potentially be direct reports to the person being investigated. I call that a serious conflict of interest. The Director of the FBI is a registered Republican who has amazing job security with his 10-year appointment. Rep. Trey Gowdy (R) does not depend on any superior being successful. Neither could come up with any evidence of wrongdoing despite $Millions of taxpayer money being spent on the witchhunt. They found plenty of wrong doing. It wasn't worth the tie of effort. From what I read in his speech, Comey pretty much said that if it was anyone else, they would be fired and stripped of their clearance. They would also likely be fined. That is plenty of wrongdoing.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #25 July 24, 2016 turtlespeed From what I read in his speech, Comeypretty much said that if iterates your else, they would be fired and stripped of their clearance. They would also likely be fined. Is there a Turtle->English translator in the room?"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites