wmw999 2,587 #1 July 18, 2016 Yeah, we all know it's easy to categorize other people. And we all know how to fix them. But the same right that you have to decide for them what should be important, gives them the right to decide what should be important for you. Like it? Didn't think so. How's about trying to quit making things easy for yourself by categorizing everyone else so you can criticize them, and consider people as individuals, just as you and your family are. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 186 #2 July 18, 2016 Shush you! Stop making sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #3 July 18, 2016 What do you mean "you people"?DOWNEY JR VOICE> "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #4 July 18, 2016 I see what you did there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #5 July 18, 2016 Well, then they stop being them and to actually consider them as individuals, as people just like me, with hopes and dreams, fears and faults, families and friends (who all have those hopes, dreams, fears and faults) means that I can't simply cubbyhole them, place blame for their problems squarely and solely on them, propose simplistic and idiotic solutions and ignore where those problems came from (which may or may not have anything to do with me). Nope. Not gonna happen. Far too easy to say they need to solve their problems."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #6 July 18, 2016 https://www.facebook.com/TheComicalConservative/videos/893084774158035/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #7 July 18, 2016 Stating people are individuals and need to be treated as such is now a 'micro-aggression' MLK is rolling over in his grave ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #8 July 18, 2016 Yet another reason I should know better than to click on blind links: "Sorry, this page isn't available The link you followed may be broken, or the page may have been removed." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #9 July 18, 2016 wmw999Yeah, we all know it's easy to categorize other people. And we all know how to fix them. But the same right that you have to decide for them what should be important, gives them the right to decide what should be important for you. Like it? Didn't think so. How's about trying to quit making things easy for yourself by categorizing everyone else so you can criticize them, and consider people as individuals, just as you and your family are. Wendy P. My family is made up of individuals who have differing affiliations. To criticize the various groups as such is often quite valid. Unions? Liberal Arts Students? Medical Professionals? Military? Political Party Members? Take your pick. With regard to non-family groups, it's not so much fixing people as noting that the source of misfortune is often quite apparent. If I'm on the beach and the tide goes WAY out, I'm getting to higher ground ASAP. You don't want to? Your call. If people want to be considered as individuals, fine. If they want to identify as part of one crowd or another, that's cool too. You can't have it both ways. If, for example, I'm working or doing business with people who have same-sex relationships, it is largely a matter of indifference. If they insist on making a big deal about it, and become a power bloc in some fashion, I can only compare their stated values with mine. If they are compatible, fine, if they are not, they are not. If people want to voice their grievances such that they are no threat to me or the people around me, I'm cool with that. If they seek to pose a threat to me or my loved ones, that's their call and I will respond accordingly (likely by doing everything I can to avoid them). They will most assuredly not engender sympathy by doing so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #10 July 18, 2016 >My family is made up of individuals who have differing affiliations. >To criticize the various groups as such is often quite valid. To criticize groups is often useful since they often self-identify with specific ideologies or platforms. To assume that people can be identified by comparison to the image of the group is, generally, foolish. >If, for example, I'm working or doing business with people who have same-sex >relationships, it is largely a matter of indifference. If they insist on making a big deal >about it, and become a power bloc in some fashion, I can only compare their stated >values with mine. If they are compatible, fine, if they are not, they are not. And even if their values aren't compatible with mine, that's still fine. As long as they leave me alone to pursue what I want, I will afford the same courtesy to them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #11 July 18, 2016 billvon And even if their values aren't compatible with mine, that's still fine. As long as they leave me alone to pursue what I want, I will afford the same courtesy to them. Unless they want you to DJ their wedding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #12 July 18, 2016 Who doesn't like music? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #13 July 18, 2016 >Unless they want you to DJ their wedding. Then I'd probably say no, since I'm not a DJ. (That's their right, too.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #14 July 19, 2016 billvon>Unless they want you to DJ their wedding. Then I'd probably say no, since I'm not a DJ. (That's their right, too.) What if you were? Would you still be able to say no? What if it was a wedding of a KKK bride and a neo-nazi groom? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #15 July 19, 2016 Ask your doctor if Islamophobin is right for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s57kPS_gjM "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #16 July 19, 2016 ryoder Ask your doctor if Islamophobin is right for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s57kPS_gjM From the makers of Tryphorgetin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flwvIzrw4gYNever was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #17 July 19, 2016 I think you mean western-civilization-a-phobia. Do short skirts cause you to lose your mind? Do you feel the need to kill your sister because she gets horny? Do gay people compel you to kill them? Do you have a desire to have sex with a 9-year-old? Do you have an uncontrollable urge to grow a beard and blow yourself up? Then perhaps you have an inflamed Islam. Take 700 grams of arsenic and call me when you're knee-deep in virgins. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #18 July 19, 2016 >What if you were? Would you still be able to say no? What if it was a wedding of a >KKK bride and a neo-nazi groom? Well, I am sure Trump supporters have access to much better DJ's than me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,587 #19 July 19, 2016 Ya know, I would be fine with that. Were I a DJ, there would be limits on the music is be willing to play, and on the toasts I'd participate in. I'd make it clear during the hiring-me phase that I don't like what they stand for. But if I, personally, don't have to say racist shit, and if I get to walk out (and, yes, forfeit my fee) to make a statement if necessary, well then so be it. Have to make sure I'm not up for breach of contract, though. I used to be a community mediator in Houston. I heard one woman during the classes talk about her experience as the assigned mediator between a white supremacist and his neighbor. They didn't take the offer for her to remove herself, so she didn't. She helped the mediation to a successful conclusion, and figured it was her contribution to helping them understand personally that we're all people. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites