DJL 235 #51 July 13, 2016 Quote What I hope for is a major change in how the US chooses it's national leaders. This issue is equally important to any other issue. How a decision is reached is just as important to what that issue is. Take the Brexit for example 71% of the population total voted and 52% of those voters voted for it. HOWEVER, that means that only 36% of the population actually wanted it enough to vote for it. For a decision like that it's not representative of the population. Another is how the Republican candidates were chosen this year. Since there were so many similar candidates they effectively split the vote, leaving Trump the winner after only having carried 33% of the vote through most of the Primary (when there were multiple candidates). Another example is the election for the Canadian PM when NAFTA was on the table, the primary issue in the election. Most of the candidates were against it which reflected the opinion of the country. However, their votes became split and the winner was the candidate who supported it."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #52 July 13, 2016 QuoteNo wars will be started - Bush opened our eyes to the false flag narrative. You either don't know what false flag means, or you've learned all the wrong lessons from the last decade and a half. There was no false flag element to the Iraq war lies. QuoteThe American people are capable of opening their eyes, they just need to be prompted. You think the opinion of the people matters when it comes to a gung ho leader pushing for military action. That's cute.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #53 July 13, 2016 Quote What I hope for is a major change in how the US chooses it's national leaders. You've yet to explain how a Trump Presidency would result in any change to the electoral process. Or why a Clinton Presidency wouldn't. You're not making any sense. QuoteNo wars will be started - Bush opened our eyes to the false flag narrative. I wholly disagree. Just read some of the arguments we're still having here. Some regular posters still refuse to admit that the invasion of Iraq wasn't justified, or even a good idea. QuoteThe American people are capable of opening their eyes, they just need to be prompted. Again, what do you think the mechanism for this is going to be when Trump becomes President? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #54 July 13, 2016 turtlespeed***Yet you still want the person claims this to be our next president.. Scroll to 4:50 or watch the entire Obama interview if you like. Why do you hate middle easterners and our military so much? "She will say anything" - B. Obama I notice that no one here wants to address the moments by Obama, comparing Hillary to Bush. Why is that? Have you ever said anything bad to your girlfriend or wife. Or maybe to a sibling? Maybe called your brother or sister stupid? If I then call your brother/daughter/wife/son/sister stupid would you defend them? Would you have been lying at some point? I mean you are comparing statements made ":within the family" to statements made "outside the family" and are wondering why they aren't the same. I highly doubt you aren't smart enough to figure it out on your own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #55 July 13, 2016 jakeeQuoteNo wars will be started - Bush opened our eyes to the false flag narrative. You either don't know what false flag means, or you've learned all the wrong lessons from the last decade and a half. There was no false flag element to the Iraq war lies. QuoteThe American people are capable of opening their eyes, they just need to be prompted. You think the opinion of the people matters when it comes to a gung ho leader pushing for military action. That's cute. Ok, loose interpretation of False Flag, but wmds and their assumed threat, (read: invented), Piggy backing on the WTC tragedy. I think it does now more than ever. I know My eyes are open wideer than they have ever been. The events will serve to educate more and more people, instilling change. You seem to think I am expecting immediate change - You should know better. It is and always will be in Hillarys best interest for things to remain at status quo, and when has she ever done anything intentionally against her best interest? Ever?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #56 July 13, 2016 turtlespeed Bush opened our eyes to the false flag narrative. In my lifetime alone, I recall The Gulf of Tonkin incident in Vietnam, and the Invasions of Granada and later also of Panama. Obviously, your citizens collective memory can suffer from a rather short half-life, so I wouldn't be too confident in avoiding similar manufactured "adventures". turtlespeed The American people are capable of opening their eyes, they just need to be prompted. Those prompts have been quite costly for some. I think about the Japanese Internment Camps and asset-seizures of WW2, lynchings of black people in the deep south, cold-blooded murders of Freedom Riders, black church bombings, Kent State student deaths. It would be nice if people could react sooner to issues without the need for such blunt prompts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #57 July 13, 2016 SkyDekker ******Yet you still want the person claims this to be our next president.. Scroll to 4:50 or watch the entire Obama interview if you like. Why do you hate middle easterners and our military so much? "She will say anything" - B. Obama I notice that no one here wants to address the moments by Obama, comparing Hillary to Bush. Why is that? Have you ever said anything bad to your girlfriend or wife. Or maybe to a sibling? Maybe called your brother or sister stupid? If I then call your brother/daughter/wife/son/sister stupid would you defend them? Would you have been lying at some point? I mean you are comparing statements made ":within the family" to statements made "outside the family" and are wondering why they aren't the same. I highly doubt you aren't smart enough to figure it out on your own. So Obama and Hillary are brother and sister now.Gotta love the hypocrisy. Campaining is abut lies and deceit and you are ok with that. Good. Which one was lying about what? Public statements. Words mean things, right Normiss?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,277 #58 July 13, 2016 QuoteSo Obama and Hillary are brother and sister now.Laugh Gotta love the hypocrisy. Campaining is abut lies and deceit and you are ok with that. Good. Which one was lying about what? Public statements. Words mean things, right Normiss? Have you not noticed how Despicable Donald changed his tune about his opponents as they dropped out of the race? Standard campaign politics. You need to denigrate your rivals, then afterward you need them as allies. Welcome to the real world.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #59 July 13, 2016 gowlerkQuoteSo Obama and Hillary are brother and sister now.Laugh Gotta love the hypocrisy. Campaining is abut lies and deceit and you are ok with that. Good. Which one was lying about what? Public statements. Words mean things, right Normiss? Have you not noticed how Despicable Donald changed his tune about his opponents as they dropped out of the race? Standard campaign politics. You need to denigrate your rivals, then afterward you need them as allies. Welcome to the real world. Isn't it funny how much less credible the post is when degrading nicknames are used?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,277 #60 July 13, 2016 QuoteIsn't it funny how much less credible the post is when degrading nicknames are used? Yes I know. That's why I use this one. They are a specialty of Despicable Donald's. He uses them on all his enemies. I use it to draw attention to that fact. There is a long list of them here: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html More Here: http://www.thehypertexts.com/Donald%20Trump%20Nicknames.htm Here is an explanation of why he does it: http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/donald-trump-bullying-his-way-presidency I've been learning from the master- Quote“He’s absolutely operating as an intelligent, manipulative bully who truly does not care about the consequences of his actions,” Wiseman told the Daily Beast. “He delights in his own ability to manipulate and to show that nobody can stop him.” AND, Despicable happens to be the best one word description I've heard for him.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #61 July 13, 2016 gowlerkQuoteIsn't it funny how much less credible the post is when degrading nicknames are used? Yes I know. That's why I use this one. They are a specialty of Despicable Donald's. He uses them on all his enemies. I use it to draw attention to that fact. There is a long list of them here: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html More Here: http://www.thehypertexts.com/Donald%20Trump%20Nicknames.htm Here is an explanation of why he does it: http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/donald-trump-bullying-his-way-presidency I've been learning from the master- ***“He’s absolutely operating as an intelligent, manipulative bully who truly does not care about the consequences of his actions,” Wiseman told the Daily Beast. “He delights in his own ability to manipulate and to show that nobody can stop him.” AND, Despicable happens to be the best one word description I've heard for him. In other words, you really don't want your posts to be considered anything other than trolling.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,277 #62 July 13, 2016 QuoteIn other words, you really don't want your posts to be considered anything other than trolling. Did you think either you or I were hoping to change the world by posting here? It's a method of making a point.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #63 July 13, 2016 gowlerkQuoteIn other words, you really don't want your posts to be considered anything other than trolling. Did you think either you or I were hoping to change the world by posting here? It's a method of making a point. I get that. But if you want to be taken seriously . . .I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #64 July 13, 2016 gowlerkAND, Despicable happens to be the best one word description I've heard for him. You should really try out, "demagogue." I think you'll like it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #65 July 13, 2016 turtlespeed***QuoteIn other words, you really don't want your posts to be considered anything other than trolling. Did you think either you or I were hoping to change the world by posting here? It's a method of making a point. I get that. But if you want to be taken seriously . . . Mr. Pot. I'd like you to meet . . .quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #66 July 13, 2016 quade******QuoteIn other words, you really don't want your posts to be considered anything other than trolling. Did you think either you or I were hoping to change the world by posting here? It's a method of making a point. I get that. But if you want to be taken seriously . . . Mr. Pot. I'd like you to meet . . . When lately (when t is a serious discussion) have I use degrading descriptors to define Hillary or Obama or ANY politician being discussed?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,277 #67 July 13, 2016 quade***AND, Despicable happens to be the best one word description I've heard for him. You should really try out, "demagogue." I think you'll like it. I hope to never need that word. To me it implies a leader in power. Trump is still a wannabe demagogue. If he should somehow gain the Presidency I will upgrade to that word out of respect for the office. How does "Office of the Demagogue of the United States" sound?Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,277 #68 July 13, 2016 QuoteWhen lately (when t is a serious discussion) have I use degrading descriptors to define Hillary or Obama or ANY politician being discussed? It takes a very long time to change a reputation once you've earned it. Keep up the good work.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #69 July 13, 2016 gowlerkHow does "Office of the Demagogue of the United States" sound? Accurate? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #70 July 13, 2016 rehmwa***How does "Office of the Demagogue of the United States" sound? Accurate? Still sounds better than "President Clinton", again.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #71 July 13, 2016 Now now, you're trying to brag about a reduction in disparaging remarks, or are you? Although this post make me wonder....have you ever referred to the current president with that much respect for the office? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #72 July 13, 2016 normissNow now, you're trying to brag about a reduction in disparaging remarks, or are you? Although this post make me wonder....have you ever referred to the current president with that much respect for the office? Yes. But you knew that.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #73 July 13, 2016 I honestly didn't, nor did I search, I just don't recall ever seeing you use his title. It's pretty common. Just wondered. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #74 July 13, 2016 I did just do a quick search due to time constraints....it's not looking good bud. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #75 July 14, 2016 Good reason to hate Bush: www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/07/13/how-a-modest-contract-for-applied-research-morphed-into-the-cias-brutal-interrogation-program/?wpisrc=nl_draw2&wpmm=1... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
