Y'all Hate Bush and detest war in the Middle East . . .

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Yet you still want the person claims this to be our next president.. Scroll to 4:50 or watch the entire Obama interview if you like.

Why do you hate middle easterners and our military so much?

"She will say anything" - B. Obama

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[jakee 1,596]

Right, because invading Iraq over a fiction would be the same as responding to a nuclear strike. Yeah.

I agree, she handled the question badly, what she should have said was "that's a stupid fucking question, it's never going to happen". But apparently you don't win votes that way.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[turtlespeed 226]

jakee

Right, because invading Iraq over a fiction would be the same as responding to a nuclear strike. Yeah.

I agree, she handled the question badly, what she should have said was "that's a stupid fucking question, it's never going to happen". But apparently you don't win votes that way.

And your thoughts about Obama comparing her to bush?

What about his quote - "She'all say anything, and change nothing."?

Was he lying then, or is he lying now?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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turtlespeed

Was he lying then, or is he lying now?

He was mistaken then, and knows better now.

[kallend 2,150]

You have picked a battle you can't possibly win.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/full-list-donald-trump-s-rapidly-changing-policy-positions-n547801

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[turtlespeed 226]

kallend

You have picked a battle you can't possibly win.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/full-list-donald-trump-s-rapidly-changing-policy-positions-n547801

Why is it that whenever a discrepancy is found with Hillary, y'all just default back to trump?

Is that the best you have?

If that is the best defense that you have for Hillary and her actions and words, you are doomed.

That's kinda like saying "Sadam Hussain was terrible!" . . . but at least he's not Kim Jun il.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[kallend 2,150]

turtlespeed

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You have picked a battle you can't possibly win.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/full-list-donald-trump-s-rapidly-changing-policy-positions-n547801

Why is it that whenever a discrepancy is found with Hillary, y'all just default back to trump?

Is that the best you have?

If that is the best defense that you have for Hillary and her actions and words, you are doomed.

That's kinda like saying "Sadam Hussain was terrible!" . . . but at least he's not Kim Jun il.

So you admit that whatever Hillary's faults (and she has many), Trump's are worse.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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kallend

******
You have picked a battle you can't possibly win.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/full-list-donald-trump-s-rapidly-changing-policy-positions-n547801

Why is it that whenever a discrepancy is found with Hillary, y'all just default back to trump?

Is that the best you have?

If that is the best defense that you have for Hillary and her actions and words, you are doomed.

That's kinda like saying "Sadam Hussain was terrible!" . . . but at least he's not Kim Jun il.

So you admit that whatever Hillary's faults (and she has many), Trump's are worse.

I'd say they are about equal.

However, Hillary is the one that has the most probability to harm this country and its people.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[turtlespeed 226]

kallend

******
You have picked a battle you can't possibly win.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/full-list-donald-trump-s-rapidly-changing-policy-positions-n547801

Why is it that whenever a discrepancy is found with Hillary, y'all just default back to trump?

Is that the best you have?

If that is the best defense that you have for Hillary and her actions and words, you are doomed.

That's kinda like saying "Sadam Hussain was terrible!" . . . but at least he's not Kim Jun il.

So you admit that whatever Hillary's faults (and she has many), Trump's are worse.are you going to address the comments made by Obama? Where he says she will say anything and change nothing, and where he compares her to Dubya?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[jakee 1,596]

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However, Hillary is the one that has the most probability to harm this country and its people.

In what way?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rehmwa 2]

jakee

what she should have said was "that's a stupid fucking question, it's never going to happen". But apparently you don't win votes that way.

That's the theory, but I think it would gain votes easily

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[turtlespeed 226]

jakee

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However, Hillary is the one that has the most probability to harm this country and its people.

In what way?

Poor judgement. Illogical responses. Corruption. Scandal.

Muslims could redouble their dislike for America because we would be letting a woman rule men.

We need to fix the system, not continue it.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[DanG 1]

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Poor judgement.

Trump is worse.

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Illogical responses.

Trump is worse.

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Corruption.

Trump is worse.

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Scandal.

Trump is worse.

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Muslims could redouble their dislike for America because we would be letting a woman rule men.

Do Muslims hate Germany more because they are ruled by a woman? Shit, the Brits are about to choose a female PM, I guess Muslims will hate them more now. This is fucking stupid argument.

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We need to fix the system, not continue it.

How would Trump fix the system?

- Dan G

[gowlerk 2,277]

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Muslims could redouble their dislike for America because we would be letting a woman rule men.

Dude, really? That's a reason?

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[Elisha 1]

DanG

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Poor judgement.

Trump is worse.

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Illogical responses.

Trump is worse.

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Corruption.

Trump is worse.

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Scandal.

Trump is worse.

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Muslims could redouble their dislike for America because we would be letting a woman rule men.

Do Muslims hate Germany more because they are ruled by a woman? Shit, the Brits are about to choose a female PM, I guess Muslims will hate them more now. This is fucking stupid argument.

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We need to fix the system, not continue it.

How would Trump fix the system?

But what if we could get the conventions to select non-ClinTrump? Incite a rebellion! (Or, uh....persuade the delegates.)

[DJL 235]

gowlerk

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Muslims could redouble their dislike for America because we would be letting a woman rule men.

Dude, really? That's a reason?

Yeah, we wouldn't want to offend Muslim extremists and zealots by electing a female.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

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DanG

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Poor judgement.

Trump is worse.
>>>Incorrect statement

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Illogical responses.

Trump is worse.
>>>Incorrect statement

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Corruption.

Trump is worse.
>>>Possible - but not probable

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Scandal.

Trump is worse.
>>>Incorrect - everyone already sees he is not a politician

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Muslims could redouble their dislike for America because we would be letting a woman rule men.

Do Muslims hate Germany more because they are ruled by a woman? Shit, the Brits are about to choose a female PM, I guess Muslims will hate them more now. This is fucking stupid argument.
>>>. Signs point to yes.

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We need to fix the system, not continue it.

How would Trump fix the system?

By shaking up the foundation. Making people see that there MUST be change. He has already scared the shit out of the GOP - You bet they are making major changes.
The rest of the country needs to do the same.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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gowlerk

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Muslims could redouble their dislike for America because we would be letting a woman rule men.

Dude, really? That's a reason?

Did you see the sticky post about The Psychology of Trolling?

Reasonably certain Turtle's posts are simply a cry for attention. Probably not the more serious stuff. I think we have a few of those around, but I think Turtle just gets his rocks off by being a contrarian regardless of the subject.

It's a pity. I'm told he's a reasonably likable guy in real life, but clearly there's some issue that takes over once he puts his fingers on a keyboard.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[wmw999 2,589]

Ya know, I'm not sure they are making much in the way of changes yet. Don't think the Dems are, either

We've given too much power (via campaign financing, lobbying etc) to the people who are supposed to serve us. The institutions now think they serve themselves, rather than us. As is the same for police, schools, and the military. Just as industry now serves the investor above the customer. And given our wont to judge people by what they have acquired in the way of stuff, money, and power, I don't think that's going to change.

We're big enough that we need anonymous metrics by which to judge most other people. Whether it's single-issue candidates, campaigns, or voters, recognition, or whatever. We want to be able to judge quickly, because we're all "too busy" to take the time to evaluate anyone thoroughly.

I'm not saying I'm any better; the most thoughtful and educated person I know personally is my cousin the newspaper editor, and I know what most of you think of newspapers

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[jakee 1,596]

turtlespeed

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However, Hillary is the one that has the most probability to harm this country and its people.

In what way?

Poor judgement. Illogical responses. Corruption. Scandal.

Muslims could redouble their dislike for America because we would be letting a woman rule men.

You know i thought you might actually have something to say this time?

Oh well.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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jakee

******

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However, Hillary is the one that has the most probability to harm this country and its people.

In what way?

Poor judgement. Illogical responses. Corruption. Scandal.

Muslims could redouble their dislike for America because we would be letting a woman rule men.

You know i thought you might actually have something to say this time?

Oh well.

Why s it so hard to understand that the current system does not work well.

By electing Trump we assure change - you know - the change that we were supposed to get starting 8 years ago?

What has changed?

Hllary is same ol same ol Clintonesque.

We need to wake people up.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[jakee 1,596]

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Why s it so hard to understand that the current system does not work well.

Why is that relevant? The President doesn't have the power or the authority to change the system.

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By electing Trump we assure change

From what, to what?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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jakee

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Why s it so hard to understand that the current system does not work well.

Why is that relevant? The President doesn't have the power or the authority to change the system.

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By electing Trump we assure change

From what, to what?

From what we have now (a very broken election system) to something better.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[kallend 2,150]

turtlespeed

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Why s it so hard to understand that the current system does not work well.

Why is that relevant? The President doesn't have the power or the authority to change the system.

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By electing Trump we assure change

From what, to what?

From what we have now (a very broken election system) to something better.

And how, exactly, will Trump fix it?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[jakee 1,596]

turtlespeed

From what we have now (a very broken election system) to something better.

That's a rather huge gamble.

And the question remains, if you think electing someone as bad as Trump will force a rethink of the electoral system, then why wont electing Hillary, who you keep telling us is even worse, force a rethink of the electoral system?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?