Supreme Court rules against Texas in abortion case

[gowlerk 2,283]

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...and stop trying to make this just a religious issue,

Perhaps, when religious organizations and people stop trying to impose their views on women I will be able to do that. Until then many churches are enemies of mine on this issue.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[kallend 2,175]

Coreeece

Abortion is offensive.

Women have a right to abortion.

Coreeece does not have the right not to be offended.

What a woman does with her own body is none of Coreeece's business.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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Another thing about religion I don't understand...
WTF is it a believers concern with everyone else and their life?
You want to go to heaven? Then YOU abide by the book of fables.
Leave other people the hell alone.

[billvon 3,131]

>Women have a right to abortion.
>Coreeece does not have the right not to be offended.

True - but he does have the right to complain about it.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

billvon

Trump weighs in on the decision with his excellent, fantastic math skills:

“Now if we had—Scalia was living, or if Scalia was replaced by me, you wouldn’t have had that, OK? It would’ve been the opposite."

Used to be that you'd have to pay $35,000 to get into the upper levels of Trump University to see math like that. Now he's just giving it away. A truly generous man.

The math doesn't matter.

The average Trump supporter will just believe what he says, because that is what they want to hear.

[Coreeece 2]

wmw999

there is a lot of room between "no abortion except for the life of the mother" and "abortion up until the baby emerges crying at 9 months." Unfortunately, a lot of people don't really want to talk about all that room.

Well, I remember discussing it several times with you over the years - but ya, my focus has generally been on late termination and the general attitude of indifference toward abortion as if it's just a cancer resection. It's offensive and I think such apathetic attitudes send the wrong message on what a "First World" society should be.

wmw999

No one that I know who had an abortion has any serious regrets. But -- since I'm more liberal, I don't hear about regrets as much, just as you're far less likely to hear about people who don't regret it, because you're not plugged into those channels.

Please don't presume to tell me what channels I'm plugged into or not. Besides, for me, this isn't about the women that haven't had "serious" regrets, but rather those that have. Neither is it about condemning anyone. There are plenty of women in my life that have had abortions, but I don't hold it over their head and ridicule them whether they've regretted their decision or not.

Many here would be appalled if a christian family ridiculed, condemned and then forced their daughter to have the baby, but how much more appalling to abort under duress and force girls like those in the link up-thread to live with that regret?

Women like that need to understand their rights, that there is help and that they don't have rush into a decision and go through it alone.

wmw999

Focus instead on the farther goals, ones that we can get together on. Maternal health care, infant health care, effective pregnancy prevention, early childhood education and nutrition, drug abuse mitigation, ongoing parental education -- things that help babies who were not born under the best of circumstances to make up some of the extra distance that they have to cover because of the lack of preparation of their parents.

That's a great post and pretty much sums up the "education and prevention" theme this past week as the only real long term solution in mitigating the loss due to firearms and abortion.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[Coreeece 2]

kallend

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Abortion is offensive.

Coreeece does not have the right not to be offended.

..but when offended, I have the right to donate my $0.02 to the formation of public opinion whereby perceptions are formed and decisions are made.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[gowlerk 2,283]

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Actually, infanticide is a neolithic practice

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Neither is it about condemning anyone. There are plenty of women in my life that have had abortions, but I don't hold it over their head and ridicule them whether they've regretted their decision or not.

Which one of these two conflicting statements best reflects what you really mean to say about women who have abortions? The reality is you are conflicted. Deep down you feel it is infanticide, which is just a form of homicide. But when confronted by Wendy, who you have at least an online relationship with, you get all soft and mushy.

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Women like that need to understand their rights, that there is help and that they don't have rush into a decision and go through it alone.

There you go again, being all condescending. Women do not need your help, or counseling or a priest or a frigging lawyer if they decide on an abortion. They need a good doctor who does not have to fear that some right wing religious wack job is going to try to kill them with a freaking sniper rifle though their kitchen window some dark night.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[Coreeece 2]

gowlerk

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Actually, infanticide is a neolithic practice

*** Neither is it about condemning anyone. There are plenty of women in my life that have had abortions, but I don't hold it over their head and ridicule them whether they've regretted their decision or not.

Which one of these two conflicting statements best reflects what you really mean to say about women who have abortions? The reality is you are conflicted. Deep down you feel it is infanticide, which is just a form of homicide. But when confronted by Wendy, who you have at least an online relationship with, you get all soft and mushy.
I understand that some women feel differently about abortion than I do, but if they've already had one it's water under the bridge - there's nothing I can do about that.

But we can look toward the future and focus our attention on education and prevention like Wendy suggested - and if promoting a negative image of abortion helps people to take it more seriously and mitigate the loss due to abortion, then I'm cool with that as well.

gowlerk

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Women like that need to understand their rights, that there is help and that they don't have rush into a decision and go through it alone.

There you go again, being all condescending. Women do not need your help, or counseling or a priest or a frigging lawyer if they decide on an abortion.

You apparently ignored the story I linked to in post # 21 just as I predicted.

Women like that don't need their mother, boyfriend or any other family member telling them that "you're not gonna have that fucking thing" and then pressuring them into a rushed decision that they'll regret for the rest of their lives.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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You apparently ignored the story I linked to in post # 21 just as I predicted.

Women like that don't need their mother, boyfriend or any other family member telling them that "you're not gonna have that fucking thing" and then pressuring them into a rushed decision that they'll regret for the rest of their lives.

So, you go looking for a story from a young woman who has regret, cherry pick a utube vid of one, and think that her story somehow justifies forcing women who want an abortion to have to jump through hoops.

You are merely using this story as a reason to impose restrictions on women. You couldn't even acknowledge her as a woman in post 21. You referred to her as a girl. In the condescending way you always have when you try to impose your feeling about abortion on society in general. If her family or boyfriend acted in an inappropriate way that is still no justification for legal intervention. Women often become pregnant in a coercive manner, but it's not always rape. Unless she was forced to have an abortion against her will, it not illegal, and again none of your business.

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if they've already had one it's water under the bridge - there's nothing I can do about that.

If they have not had one, but are going to, that is also something you can do nothing about. Because it is not your body and it is not any of your business.

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if promoting a negative image of abortion helps people to take it more seriously and mitigate the loss due to abortion, then I'm cool with that as well.

It does not matter what you are cool with, or not cool with. Again, not your business, not your body, not your zygote or fetus, not your womb, not your life. Even if your sperm happens to be involved.

Why do you think your feelings should be a factor in a woman's life decisions? There is no justification for that. None.


From post 21, which you seem to think I ignored:

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I know many of you pro-choice nut bags want to ignore this girl's story and probably won't listen, so here are a few direct quotes:

As a "pro-choice nut bag" I don't know why I even bother discussing this. Suffice it to say the the majority of your SC is composed of free choice nut bags. Although I'm fairly sure that they, like me, would prefer to think of themselves as advocates for woman's rights and freedoms. Chew that over on the occasion of Independence Day.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[Coreeece 2]

gowlerk

So, you go looking for a story from a young woman who has regret, cherry pick a utube vid of one

That was just one of many - no sense in posting thousands of links when one is sufficient enough to get the point across.

gowlerk

You couldn't even acknowledge her as a woman in post 21. You referred to her as a girl.

Yes, that was my impression of her. A teenage girl, probably under 18. Woe is me!

gowlerk

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if they've already had one it's water under the bridge - there's nothing I can do about that.

If they have not had one, but are going to, that is also something you can do nothing about. Because it is not your body and it is not any of your business.

Perhaps, but that's why I think education and prevention are the best long term solutions.

gowlerk

***if promoting a negative image of abortion helps people to take it more seriously and mitigate the loss due to abortion, then I'm cool with that as well.

It does not matter what you are cool with, or not cool with. Again, not your business, not your body, not your zygote or fetus, not your womb, not your life. Even if your sperm happens to be involved.

Why do you think your feelings should be a factor in a woman's life decisions? There is no justification for that. None.

It's called free speech - it's her choice if she decides to let public opinion factor into her decision or not.

gowlerk

***I know many of you pro-choice nut bags want to ignore this girl's story and probably won't listen

As a "pro-choice nut bag" I don't know why I even bother discussing this.

Probably for the same reason I chose to discuss this with you, even tho you think that anyone who dares to voice their opinion against abortion must be some type of a misogynist in the Christian Taliban fighting the good fight against women's rights.

But I'll agree with Wendy that such "rhetoric" (if that's what you can even call it) probably isn't really promoting our "cause" as much as it is bolstering an environment of hate - even if we aren't necessarily the hateful ones.

I would hope that we could at least agree on addressing the heart of the problem and focus on the long term goal of limiting abortion through education and prevention.

If not, then we REALLY have nothing further to discuss.

gowlerk

Suffice it to say the the majority of your SC is composed of free choice nut bags. Although I'm fairly sure that they, like me, would prefer to think of themselves as advocates for woman's rights and freedoms. Chew that over on the occasion of Independence Day.

As long as you promise to wrap your mind around the 1st amendment, m'kay?

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[gowlerk 2,283]

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As long as you promise to wrap your mind around the 1st amendment

The most important part, the foundation of your relationship with your government? Got it, M'kay?

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.