Supreme Court rules against Texas in abortion case

[kallend 2,175]

Good.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/06/27/the-supreme-court-rules-against-texas-and-for-science-in-abortion-case/

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[gowlerk 2,283]

kallend

Good.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/06/27/the-supreme-court-rules-against-texas-and-for-science-in-abortion-case/

Yes, but let those three opposing opinions serve as a warning. The religious right is always ready to move your country into more Taliban like policies.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[kallend 2,175]

gowlerk

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Good.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/06/27/the-supreme-court-rules-against-texas-and-for-science-in-abortion-case/

Yes, but let those three opposing opinions serve as a warning. The religious right is always ready to move your country into more Taliban like policies.

5 - 3. Even Scalia couldn't have saved this one for the misogynists.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,175]

What, no comments from the right?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

kallend

What, no comments from the right?

Not much they can say. The idea that any of this had anything to to with "concerns for women's health" was a joke from the start.

I found it rather patronizing that abortion was the only procedure that they applied this standard to.

NO other medical procedure was thought to be in need of this. Even ones that have way more risk of complication and need of additional medical care.

But they lie about "selling baby parts", they lie about "concerns for women's health", they lie about a lot of stuff.

Ya know, just like the anti-gun folks

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wolfriverjoe

***What, no comments from the right?

Not much they can say. The idea that any of this had anything to to with "concerns for women's health" was a joke from the start.

I found it rather patronizing that abortion was the only procedure that they applied this standard to.

NO other medical procedure was thought to be in need of this. Even ones that have way more risk of complication and need of additional medical care.

But they lie about "selling baby parts", they lie about "concerns for women's health", they lie about a lot of stuff.

Ya know, just like the anti-gun folks

Yup.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[TriGirl 349]

I didn't read this, but a colleague told me that one Texas lawmaker, when asked about his insistence of admission privileges, was quoted as saying that anytime a patient is cut open, it's a huge risk!

(in other words, he thought that abortions were performed in the same manner as a C-section).

Again -- full disclosure, I was told this by a colleague who said she read the comments. No idea who the guy was, or what news agency/piece reported the comments.

However, I did see on CNN yesterday an interview subject comparing the fatalities from complications from abortion (0.6 in 100,000) to the fatalities from complications from live births (0.8 in 100,000).

See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus

Shut Up & Jump!

[billvon 3,131]

>I didn't read this, but a colleague told me that one Texas lawmaker, when asked
>about his insistence of admission privileges, was quoted as saying that anytime a
>patient is cut open, it's a huge risk!

They are! I saw that in the movie Prometheus. (And not just to the woman. If the fetus gets loose - look out!)

[Coreeece 2]

gowlerk

Yes, but let those three opposing opinions serve as a warning. The religious right is always ready to move your country into more Taliban like policies.

Actually, infanticide is a neolithic practice - but today, the wonders of science have developed the concept of abortion that allows one to dismember and then tear progeny from the womb prior to birth and killing it for even more selfish reasons - Apparently this method is emotionally lighter on the psyche of more advanced homo sapien brains seen in the mothers of today's society, thus helping them sleep better at night.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[gowlerk 2,283]

Coreeece

***Yes, but let those three opposing opinions serve as a warning. The religious right is always ready to move your country into more Taliban like policies.

Actually, infanticide is a neolithic practice - but today, the wonders of science have developed the concept of abortion that allows one to dismember and then tear progeny from the womb prior to birth and killing it for even more selfish reasons - Apparently this method is emotionally lighter on the psyche of more advanced homo sapien brains seen in the mothers of today's society, thus helping them sleep better at night.


And you would like to remove a woman's constitutional right to dominion over her own body. Because you believe that would help you sleep better at night. It's not your business how well others sleep.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[Coreeece 2]

Don't put words in my mouth. I'm just not interested in promoting nor being an advocate for abortion. If negative public opinion on the issue can help a women make a choice for life, then great.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[gowlerk 2,283]

Coreeece

Don't put words in my mouth. I'm just not interested in promoting nor being an advocate for abortion. If negative public opinion on the issue can help a women make a choice for life, then great.

Alright, you did not say that, you only called it infanticide, not homocide. But many others who see abortion in the way you describe want to make it illegal. It's not a very far stretch to assume you do as well.

Those of us who support a woman's right must be constantly vigilant to the threat of having those rights suppressed. So we get a little touchy about words like you used.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[Coreeece 2]

gowlerk

we get a little touchy about words

FFS man, suck it up. This is like the 3rd or 4th post you made moaning about people being disrespectful or whatever, but you have no problem calling women white trash along with other inflammatory posts.

My reply was in response to your Taliban comment. I was simply pointing out the neolithic nature of abortion - it's appalling.

In the words of Normiss, you people celebrate death.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[gowlerk 2,283]

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In the words of Normiss, you people celebrate death.

Uhh...I was sort of along with you and your tirade about inflammatory posts. Then you added this! welcome to my world.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[Coreeece 2]

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[normiss 905]

I was referring to christians, but of course you know that.
I was not referring to medical procedures.

[billvon 3,131]

Trump weighs in on the decision with his excellent, fantastic math skills:

“Now if we had—Scalia was living, or if Scalia was replaced by me, you wouldn’t have had that, OK? It would’ve been the opposite."

Used to be that you'd have to pay $35,000 to get into the upper levels of Trump University to see math like that. Now he's just giving it away. A truly generous man.

[TriGirl 349]

wolfriverjoe

***What, no comments from the right?

Not much they can say. The idea that any of this had anything to to with "concerns for women's health" was a joke from the start.

And Louisiana was able to keep the new rule it imposed: mandatory 72-hr wait between when a woman first seeks an abortion to when it can be performed. Reason? They want to be sure she has enough time to think about this decision and have the opportunity to get any counseling she needs.

Um... the 24-hr wait didn't MANDATE an abortion had to be performed exactly 24 hours after the first appointment. Lawmakers made it seem like women wouldn't have any choice but to go through with the procedure at the 24-hr mark.

At least the "waiting period" can be waived if the woman has to travel too far to the nearest provider -- and the way LA is also restricting abortion services, that may soon apply to pretty much any woman in LA seeking to terminate.

On the other hand, this weekend will see yet another gun show at the convention center near my apartment. Third one at this location this year, IIRC -- they happen once or twice a month at different venues in this area. So to sum up I have to wait three days before I can complete a safe out-patient medical procedure on my own body, but I can pick up a firearm any given weekend? Yeah, that makes sense.

See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus

Shut Up & Jump!

[ryoder 1,590]

billvon

Trump weighs in on the decision with his excellent, fantastic math skills:

“Now if we had—Scalia was living, or if Scalia was replaced by me, you wouldn’t have had that, OK? It would’ve been the opposite."

Used to be that you'd have to pay $35,000 to get into the upper levels of Trump University to see math like that. Now he's just giving it away. A truly generous man.

It's Trumpian Math: 3 + 1 > 5

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[normiss 905]

Dominoes
It would appear that courts are starting to understand now.

[Coreeece 2]

TriGirl

So to sum up I have to wait three days before I can complete a safe out-patient medical procedure on my own body

Wow, only 3 days? That's pretty quick. Most women I know have to wait weeks, sometimes even months just to see a specialist let alone have a non-emergency "medical procedure" performed. Some women have to wait 10 days just to get a prior authorization approved by their insurance company before they even see a specialist. Is that what you want?

TriGirl

but I can pick up a firearm any given weekend? Yeah, that makes sense.

You're better than that. Do you really think comparing this to guns is gonna help any?

But seriously, I get it - I can understand how an older responsible woman who has already mothered a litter of 3 can find a legal waiting period offensive, especially if her birth control has failed her - but how about sucking it up for the majority of younger women that bear the burden of having to make that decision?

Many girls (along with their partner) actually want to have the child, but feel forced into abortion by either their parents or society like the girl in the story below:
I Regret My Abortion

I know many of you pro-choice nut bags want to ignore this girl's story and probably won't listen, so here are a few direct quotes:

"He (the father) knew I was pregnant...he wanted to see me and know that I was ok. He was scared shitless but...he said that he was ready to do what he needed to do - to be there."

"My mom barged into my room and I told her, "I'm pregnant..." her next words were 'you're not keeping that fucking thing....' I couldn't even bear those words."

"Of course my mom took me to planned parenthood, and...it's illegal for parents to force their kids into an abortion, but I was scared to say that I didn't want it. . ."

"I was only 8 weeks pregnant when I had my abortion and all I had left was the ultrasound picture that they were able to get for me...I carry it everywhere I go - no joke, it's always on me. Whenever I feel upset I always look at that, and always imagine what could have been."

"Having that abortion and giving up so easily is one of the things I will definately regret my whole life."

I feel like I'm a bad person for what I did - I feel that I will never forgive myself...I feel like I failed my child because I couldn't protect them."

"...but I love my child, and I hope he or she knows that, and that they will always be with me forever, but I honestly regret my abortion sooo much."

"...and I just hope that anybody going through a problem like that considers everything...and that they make the best decision for themselves - not what's gonna make everyone else happy, but do what's right for you."

"I appreciate you guys who watched this whole thing."

There are endless stories of regret like this.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[gowlerk 2,283]

The level of condensation you are showing toward women in this post is offensive. Women do not have "litters", they have families. Even the ones you do not approve of.

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Wow, only 3 days? That's pretty quick. Most women I know have to wait weeks, sometimes even months just to see a specialist let alone have a non-emergency "medical procedure" performed. Some women have to wait 10 days just to get a prior authorization approved by their insurance company before they even see a specialist. Is that what you want?

What the hell does this justify? We are talking about a legal barrier purposely erected to make it difficult for women to exercise their constitutional right. NO OTHER REASON.

Your attitude borders on misogyny. Worry about your own body. Let others make their own decisions. Like the law says. That is what is meant by "right to privacy".

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But seriously, I get it - I can understand how an older responsible woman who has already mothered a litter of 3 can find a legal waiting period offensive, especially if her birth control has failed her - but how about sucking it up for the majority of younger women that bear the burden of having to make that decision?

You do not seem to get it at all. You seem to want to be in control as if women are children and need the government or some church to help them decide. THEY DO NOT.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[Coreeece 2]

gowlerk

The level of condensation you are showing toward women in this post is offensive.

Abortion is offensive.

gowlerk

Women do not have "litters", they have families.

Fine, fair enough.

gowlerk

Your attitude borders on misogyny.

Abortion borders infanticide.

gowlerk

Worry about your own body. Let others make their own decisions.

I do, and they can. I'm not in violation of anybody's rights.

gowlerk

You seem to want to be in control as if women are children and need the government or some church to help them decide. THEY DO NOT.

I'm just a voice crying in the wilderness . . .

However, I think the tears of women that have regretted their abortion are much more effective at influencing public opinion than my expression of disdain for it - but overall, the best way to address this problem is through education and responsibility - same for our violence problem and all the other issues that ail our society.

...and stop trying to make this just a religious issue, there are plenty of atheists that find abortion offensive as well.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[wmw999 2,600]

And there are Christians who don't think it should be illegal under nearly all circumstances. Really.

There is a lot of room between atheist and evangelical Christian, just as there is a lot of room between "no abortion except for the life of the mother" and "abortion up until the baby emerges crying at 9 months." Unfortunately, a lot of people don't really want to talk about all that room.

I had an abortion; my reasons were my own business, my doctor and my husband agreed with them. I don't have any serious regrets. No one that I know who had an abortion has any serious regrets. But -- since I'm more liberal, I don't hear about regrets as much, just as you're far less likely to hear about people who don't regret it, because you're not plugged into those channels.

I don't think that an abortion really early is any worse than a miscarriage really early. I honestly don't. And unless the parents are trying really hard to have a baby, then as a rule an early miscarriage isn't even detected necessarily, never mind mourned as a lost individual personality, fully formed.

Abortion and guns are two issues that have been used as wedge issues, with people being more and more polarized by outside forces who want to use them for their own personal power and influence. The people who use them that way believe in the causes, but turning them into wedge issues doesn't help to resolve anything, it instead lets people hate each other over perceived differences that have been magnified.

Focus instead on the farther goals, ones that we can get together on. Maternal health care, infant health care, effective pregnancy prevention, early childhood education and nutrition, drug abuse mitigation, ongoing parental education -- things that help babies who were not born under the best of circumstances to make up some of the extra distance that they have to cover because of the lack of preparation of their parents.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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She's back.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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