"Islamic Law, Homosexuality and the ‘Pulse’ Massacre" by SHAYKH ATABEK

[billvon 3,118]

>You just didn't like he close it as to the truth.

What did he close?

As to the truth - you got precisely the reaction you wanted.

[Coreeece 2]

turtlespeed

Run up gnat what is blatantly obvious to everyone here using the same arguments that RushMC uses to deny Comte change - and its ME - that is trolling.

Well at least his spelling is better than yours. . .

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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Coreeece

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Run up gnat what is blatantly obvious to everyone here using the same arguments that RushMC uses to deny Comte change - and its ME - that is trolling.

Well at least his spelling is better than yours. . .

I don't know why it does that. I do proof read, and then when I post, It comes out weird sometimes.

It was supposed to say:
Really? What is blatantly obvious to everyone here, is that you are using the same arguments that Rush MC uses to deny climate change - and it's me - that is trolling.

I wonder if it is the keyboard I am using. Sometimes it's perfectly fine.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Coreeece 2]

turtlespeed

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Run up gnat what is blatantly obvious to everyone here using the same arguments that RushMC uses to deny Comte change - and its ME - that is trolling.

Well at least his spelling is better than yours. . .

I don't know why it does that. I do proof read, and then when I post, It comes out weird sometimes.

I know, but Comte Cheese? Really? Do you have your auto-correct set on french or something?

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[Guest]

The big problem here is that it's nothing but scholarly opinions, blah-blah-blah.

The biggest problem of all is that just like Judaism, there is no central authority in islam, no Church, no Pope - in short, nothing that people can agree upon and unite behind.

Due to the random and uncentralized nature of the cult, it's therefore possible for any jackass to grow the pubic hair on his face, put a towel on his head and call himself an authority. All he needs then is charisma, or bloody ruthlessness, or both, just like the founder. And emulating that son of Satan is as "holy" as one can be.

And there's a reason it's said that it's impossible to get three Jews to agree on anything, and it's the same one: No structure, no central authority, no branding or licensing of the title "Rabbi" (learned one / scholar. Important distinction in places where most are illiterate, and yes, I know the Church did this too).

Christianity has organization and structure. One can easily see what happens to a cult, like that of Jim Jones.

Clerics can criticize and condemn all they want, but with no central authority, all they can do is cut the heads off those whom they believe to be less holy than themselves.

And the cult breeds this sort of thing.

"Islam in a man is as rabies in a dog." - Churchill

mh
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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[wmw999 2,588]

There are large swaths of Christianity that also have no central organizing power. However, because they're mostly in Christian areas, we identify them at the individual unit level instead of lumping them all together (the Church of the Holiest Redeemer of the Blood, or any other random selection of churchy-sounding words).

It's only because we can tell them apart. Most Americans don't know enough about Judaism or Islam to tell sects apart. They say that humans have trouble identifying people of different races from their own; I'm sure the same is true of religion as well.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[billvon 3,118]

>The biggest problem of all is that just like Judaism, there is no central authority in
>islam, no Church, no Pope

I am sure you realize this, but the Pope only leads about half of Christians. There is no one central authority for Christians as a whole. And there are hundreds of Churches.

>Christianity has organization and structure. One can easily see what happens to a
>cult, like that of Jim Jones.

The cult of the Westboro Baptists is alive and well - and hating. I am sure you have seen their "God loves dead fags" signs at funerals for gay military members. So is the Army of God; they promote killing abortion doctors, and do so. (And occasionally plant bombs at the Olympics.) The Church of the Almighty God is into kidnapping and murder. The Lord's Resistance Army is similar. The Phineas Priesthood is more into bank robberies, with at least one mass shooting attempt. (Guy fired over 100 rounds into a crowd and didn't kill anyone.) The Concerned Christians were arrested and deported from Israel back to the US for attempted terrorism. They got back and went into hiding, so it's likely we'll hear from them again.

No Pope stopped them. Indeed, most Christians in the US don't even know about these cults, because the newspaper tends not to put "Christian Terrorist killed by police during shootout" headlines on their papers.

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markharju

The big problem here is that it's nothing but scholarly opinions, blah-blah-blah.

That's how both Islam and Judaism works; scholarly opinions.

In Islam, if you're scholarly enough and enough people agree with your opinions, they call you an Imam.

Of course you know this and said as much in your response. Some people don't though.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Guest]

billvon

>The biggest problem of all is that just like Judaism, there is no central authority in
>islam, no Church, no Pope

I am sure you realize this, but the Pope only leads about half of Christians. There is no one central authority for Christians as a whole. And there are hundreds of Churches.

>Christianity has organization and structure. One can easily see what happens to a
>cult, like that of Jim Jones.

The cult of the Westboro Baptists is alive and well - and hating. I am sure you have seen their "God loves dead fags" signs at funerals for gay military members. So is the Army of God; they promote killing abortion doctors, and do so. (And occasionally plant bombs at the Olympics.) The Church of the Almighty God is into kidnapping and murder. The Lord's Resistance Army is similar. The Phineas Priesthood is more into bank robberies, with at least one mass shooting attempt. (Guy fired over 100 rounds into a crowd and didn't kill anyone.) The Concerned Christians were arrested and deported from Israel back to the US for attempted terrorism. They got back and went into hiding, so it's likely we'll hear from them again.

No Pope stopped them. Indeed, most Christians in the US don't even know about these cults, because the newspaper tends not to put "Christian Terrorist killed by police during shootout" headlines on their papers.

All true. when I wrote my remarks, I was thinking about the evolution of the Church and how it was at one time, the state as well. The schism with backwards and stupid Mosaic Law began with Christ. Then came the Western Church, later Reformation, followed by the Enlightenment, which led to the revolt against Charles, which ultimately led to the American Revolution. The Pope still has authority, as you say, but even the Church, which once persecuted Galileo himself as a heretic, now has science units.

However, the islamic cult will never reform, because its founder and the writings are considered perfect and therefore inviolate. This is why Hadjii wigs out when anyone criticizes islam, and why islamic rage boy is more like islamic insecurity boy - the slightest question or criticism is a direct attack at the very foundation of his existence.

I suppose that if I had been brainwashed from birth to swallow all of that utter bullshit unquestioningly, I too would wig out if anyone inside or outside my cult (read: "infidel") so much as hinted that it might not be okay to cut people's heads off for apostasy, cut off hands and feet for petty theft, stone a woman to death for having been raped, throw homosexuals off rooftops, etc.

It's a cult and is totally incompatible with Western Civilization. It belongs on the ash heap of history.

And for those who are eager to use the Old Testament (Leviticus, Deuteronomy and all that other mindless barbarism) to make comparisons, I'll stick with the New Testament, and the words of Christ himself, because those are the only ones which should ultimately matter to anyone who calls himself a Christian.

And I will not repeat here the direct comparison between the sayings/teachings of Christ and all the vile things Mo told his bloodthirsty savage followers to do. If you are reading this forum, you have seen them before.

mh
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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[SkyDekker 1,465]

turtlespeed

*********Why get outraged over an assumption? There are enough facts to get upset about.

Quite frankly, this attitude is what is making things so much worse. People are turning bullshit into "facts", getting people incensed, leading to rash judgements and actions.

Is it bullshit if it's true?

If you repeat unconfirmed reports as "FACT," that's bullshit.

Part of my problem with people on all sides is they're unwilling to do even the most basic research to see if something being circulated is actually a fact or simply bullshit being said to whip up fears.

Sometimes there's going to be a grey area where there is simply a difference in opinion about conclusions based on facts, but the facts themselves aren't in question.

I can deal with people talking about differences of opinion about conclusions, fine. But if person is saying something is a fact and there is no evidence of that and further there is no way for me to check it out, I have far less interest in the person's conclusions and want to know if it really is a fact or some somebody making stuff up.

All you have to do is look for t - but you don't want to see it - so I'll make it harder for you to ignore.

Screen shot of the book. Also with a Translation.

So in your opinion a screen shot of a random page proves the allegations made in the article?

I thought you were smarter than that. Jokes on me I guess.

[normiss 897]

Stoopid bible wanting people dead for being people.
Let's all follow religions that celebrate death.

To think christians teach this crap to brain wash their own children, sounds more like child abuse to me.

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normiss

Stoopid bible wanting people dead for being people.
Let's all follow religions that celebrate death.

To think christians teach this crap to brain wash their own children, sounds more like child abuse to me.

You picked translations of Hebrew Scripture. There was no such thing as Christianity, or even Messianic Judaism, when this was written.

You have referenced oral history, as recorded by Ezra the Scribe, of one Very Dysfunctional Family.

When these Parshas come up in the liturgy, they are often used to show just how backward we were and how far we have come.

There are, admittedly, some Rabbis and other terminal literalists that take all of this as natural law that applies to contemporary reality. Luckily, most Rabbis have three digit IQs, so it is not a real problem.


BSBD,

Winsor

[normiss 897]

Weird that it's in so many bibles then.
Weirder still that so many christians agree.