By Rejecting 'Radical Islam' Obama Rejects Reality

[mirage62 0]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/by-rejecting-%e2%80%98radical-islam%e2%80%99-obama-rejects-reality/ar-AAh4J9b?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

I thought this article laid out fairly well the problems with not pointing out the issues with Obama's position.

If your interested read it, comment....if you are so vested in all things Obama that you won't take the time don't worry about commenting - I'd really like your view AFTER you've read it though.

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[normiss 897]

I found it to be an emotional opinion piece, not factual reporting, so....

Still, radical islam had zero to do with the Orlando shooting.
That dude was angry because he liked men.
He claimed he followed 2 opposing islamic groups as well, soooo...
Just another nutter with a gun.
I hope I'm not the next victim.

[mirage62 0]

"Emotional opinion piece" It didn't read that way to me - but it certainly was an opinion. I thought he gave some good examples.

It particularly struck me that a moderate Muslim would want to be seen in a different light.

You stand a better chance of dying in the WONDERFUL new RV you have than being the next victim.

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[normiss 897]

I could easily see my wife and I out for a night with friends at a place like Pulse.
In fact, we're getting a group together soon to go to the big gay resort here in Orlando to see the drag show.



This RV is amazing. Skymama is killing me.
Thanks bud.
Beers next time.

[ryoder 1,590]

normiss

I found it to be an emotional opinion piece, not factual reporting, so....

Still, radical islam had zero to do with the Orlando shooting.
That dude was angry because he liked men.
He claimed he followed 2 opposing islamic groups as well, soooo...
Just another nutter with a gun.
I hope I'm not the next victim.

He was just hedging his bets.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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many liberals make no distinction between the two anymore. For them, supporting the idea sex-specific bathrooms is only a small step from massacring gay Americans.

Bullshit

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Blaming all Muslims is as dumb as pretending this terror has nothing to do with Islam.

Bullshit

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Islamic terrorism is a unique movement that threatens us in a way that the random madman opening fire in a theater does not

Bullshit

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I’m not sure why a peaceful Muslim would not appreciate being set apart from Islamists by the president.

Because the average American is unable to tell the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim. Never mind the difference between a Muslim and a Radical Muslim.

[billvon 3,116]

"That’s the key, they say,” Obama said, eviscerating the GOP. “We can't defeat them unless we call them radical Islamists. What exactly would using this label accomplish? What exactly would it change?”"

I agree. Is it impossible to defeat people like Anders Breivik unless we call them radical Christians? Is it impossible to defeat people like Adam Lanza unless we call them white terrorists? Is it impossible to defeat people like Seung-Hui Cho unless we call them Korean terrorists?

And since the above terms have not been used by the president - does that mean that all the above people are still free to kill others?

Along those lines, why not call Mateen a radical closeted gay? That probably had a lot more to do with the shooting. Or a radical New Yorker? He was born there, and those people are angry a lot - and per one politician, excluding foreign-born people is the key to preventing terrorism, not US citizens. (I'm sure there are a lot of other names you could call him.)

I have no doubt that the same people who want this latest shooter to be called a radical Islamist would be aghast if Obama called Breivik a radical Christian, or if Obama called Lanza a radical white. They'd say he was race-baiting or that he hated Christianity, that their race or religion had nothing to do with it. And they'd have a good point - a point they are ignoring in this case.

There are radical Islamists. There are radical Christians. There are white and Korean terrorists. There are criminal blacks. There are even criminals that are in more than one group! (cue heads exploding) But none of that really matters - what matters is learning how criminals plan, how they think and what the signs are, so we can stop them in the future.

[gowlerk 2,275]

mirage62

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/by-rejecting-%e2%80%98radical-islam%e2%80%99-obama-rejects-reality/ar-AAh4J9b?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

I thought this article laid out fairly well the problems with not pointing out the issues with Obama's position.

If your interested read it, comment....if you are so vested in all things Obama that you won't take the time don't worry about commenting - I'd really like your view AFTER you've read it though.

The article is missing one key point, and that is colouring Harsani's whole analysis. That point is the fact that Obama has not rejected radical Islam as a factor. He has not ever denied that radical Islam is a factor. He has merely chosen to emphasize different aspects of the problem because he sees no point in emphasizing the religious aspects of the conflict.

The conflict is about far more than religion. It's real heart is in the regional politics of the Middle East and a struggle for power. Obama is keeping his eye focused on the ball and encouraging everyone else to do so as well. It's important to identify your enemy with clarity. It allows you to avoid wasting your resources.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[normiss 897]

I'm curious home some every day average Joes know more than the CIA.
It wasn't radical islam.

[wmw999 2,588]

OK, I'll weigh in here. Because it makes just as much difference as everyone else's opinion

While there is no evidence whatsoever that ISIS had anything to do with Mateen deciding to do what he did, there is no doubt that he used its mantle. Just as Robert Dear used the mantle of Christianity to justify his shooting up the abortion clinic in Colorado. Just as Christians and Muslims, Hindus, and nearly every other religion have used their view of "I'm right for eternity" to justify turning other tribes (because that's what we're talking about) into mincemeat.

Right now it's Islam's turn. That won't be forever, but right now the people who are using its mantle for their own sick purposes seem to be a little more garish in their approach to public violence. Yes, it does stem in large part from the fucked-up way that the West kind of took over the Middle East and "divided" it to suit their own purposes. Because there's oil there, and so there's money, which means power. If Africa had gotten there first, it'd be them. Because they've been fucked over, too.

Downtrodden people who all of a sudden get some power don't necessarily behave nobly, just as privileged people who think they might be losing some don't necessarily behave nobly. That has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam, Christianity, or bonk-bonkism. It has to do with people.

Why does this matter? Well, none of us can single-handedly stop any kind of terrorism. But we can all decide individually to treat others as individuals, and to treat them as we would be treated, rather than as we think they deserve.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[wmw999 2,588]

Damn I sure can pontificate, can't I

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[kallend 2,148]

wmw999

OK, I'll weigh in here. Because it makes just as much difference as everyone else's opinion

Why does this matter? Well, none of us can single-handedly stop any kind of terrorism. But we can all decide individually to treat others as individuals, and to treat them as we would be treated, rather than as we think they deserve.

Wendy P.

How about treating them as they would be treated?

PS I rather like the concept of bonkism.

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[gowlerk 2,275]

wmw999

Damn I sure can pontificate, can't I

Wendy P.

Welcome home.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[mirage62 0]

SkyDekker and I are on a roll today.

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Islamic terrorism is a unique movement that threatens us in a way that the random madman opening fire in a theater does not

Bullshit

I'll see your Bullshit and raise you a DOUBLE BULLSHIT. I don't agree with everything the guy said by far but I certainly agree with this

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[mirage62 0]

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Right now it's Islam's turn. That won't be forever, but right now the people who are using its mantle for their own sick purposes seem to be a little more garish in their approach to public violence.

Yep....history has shown so many religions kill a LOT of people. Islam in itself (just like the Bible) can be read in whatever light you want to read it in.

But this isn't the Crusades - we can't undo the Crusades. And people are being killed by extremist. I don't remotely have a clue what to do.

I do know that constantly pointing out that Christians kill abortion doctors is a pale comparison to what the extremist Muslims are doing currently.

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But we can all decide individually to treat others as individuals, and to treat them as we would be treated, rather than as we think they deserve.

If me and SkyDekker are all over the place today - you are making up for it cause this is spot on.

40 years ago....I don't know if there were large openly gay bars in America....NOW the country is in morning over what happen. Should it of happen sooner? (Gay acceptance)? Your damn right it should have, but don't we have to at least acknowledge that we aren't throwing gays off building here?

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[normiss 897]

Yet it wasn't just ISIS, that insane person claimed association with ISIS, al-Qaeda, and Hezbollah. He did have quite a mantle, yes.
Justly proving his insanity.
He made those claims simply because the words are scary and news nuggets.
I think his internal conflict came from his religion and fueled by his hatred for a country that is destroying his country of heritage as well.
Maybe we should stop killing people all over the world trying to show them what freedom and democracy are.

Rather interesting to see what a person can turn into with some internet madness too.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I'll see your Bullshit and raise you a DOUBLE BULLSHIT. I don't agree with everything the guy said by far but I certainly agree with this

Why? A random madman opening fire is by far a much larger threat than being killed by some action perpetrated by Islamic terrorism.

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wmw999

Damn I sure can pontificate, can't I

Wendy P.

Verbosely!

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[billvon 3,116]

>>>Islamic terrorism is a unique movement that threatens us in a way that the random
>>>madman opening fire in a theater does not

>>Bullshit

>I'll see your Bullshit and raise you a DOUBLE BULLSHIT. I don't agree with everything
>the guy said by far but I certainly agree with this

You are far, far, far more likely to be killed by some random madman with a gun than by an Islamic terrorist. So you might feel more threatened by Islamic terrorists, but if you look purely at the numbers and odds, you are far more likely to be killed by a Christian. (Not because Christians are any more murderous than anyone else, but because there are more of them in the US, and thus make up the majority of random madmen.)

[Bolas 5]

Religion groups should not be a protected class as it's something people choose and can easily change.

Protected classes should be for DNA (race, sex, orientation) or where they're born

As such, it's just a descriptor for a person.

If something in addition to mental health issues caused someone to be violent, just say it.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[kallend 2,148]

mirage62

I do know that constantly pointing out that Christians kill abortion doctors is a pale comparison to what the extremist Muslims are doing currently.

Do you have any idea how many Muslim civilians the US killed in Iraq from 2003 -2008?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Bolas

Religion groups should not be a protected class as it's something people choose and can easily change.

Protected classes should be for DNA (race, sex, orientation) or where they're born

As such, it's just a descriptor for a person.

If something in addition to mental health issues caused someone to be violent, just say it.

Just don't say using a firearm specifically designed for combat in any way helped drive up the body count.

[Bolas 5]

SkyDekker

***Religion groups should not be a protected class as it's something people choose and can easily change.

Protected classes should be for DNA (race, sex, orientation) or where they're born

As such, it's just a descriptor for a person.

If something in addition to mental health issues caused someone to be violent, just say it.

Just don't say using a firearm specifically designed for combat in any way helped drive up the body count.

On the same token, don't say that due to certain laws, it was illegal for these people to have the ability to defend themselves.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Bolas

******Religion groups should not be a protected class as it's something people choose and can easily change.

Protected classes should be for DNA (race, sex, orientation) or where they're born

As such, it's just a descriptor for a person.

If something in addition to mental health issues caused someone to be violent, just say it.

Just don't say using a firearm specifically designed for combat in any way helped drive up the body count.

On the same token, don't say that due to certain laws, it was illegal for these people to have the ability to defend themselves.

Laws had nothing to do with it.

[Bolas 5]

SkyDekker

*********Religion groups should not be a protected class as it's something people choose and can easily change.

Protected classes should be for DNA (race, sex, orientation) or where they're born

As such, it's just a descriptor for a person.

If something in addition to mental health issues caused someone to be violent, just say it.

Just don't say using a firearm specifically designed for combat in any way helped drive up the body count.

On the same token, don't say that due to certain laws, it was illegal for these people to have the ability to defend themselves.

Laws had nothing to do with it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Florida#Concealed_carry

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.