BHO Bathroom Letter Pushback

[Boomerdog 0]

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So why did NC Republicans waste so much time and effort forcing through a bill to deal with a non-problem?

Not a problem for you but apparently a problem for many in North Carolina...so perhaps you need to quit what is called "mirror imaging."

Personally, I don't give a shit about this issue but it's going to be a problem with some violent ramifications and it won't be if but when. What will be interesting to see is the difference between those states that have "shall issue" concealed carry laws and those that restrict concealed carry of handguns. Bottom line is this; there is an increased number of handgun sales. I'll bet that the number of handgun sales to women has increased. As sexual assaults in bathrooms occur, armed confrontation increases with the high probability someone's going to get shot. I'll put my money on higher frequency of assaults occurring in States where there are very restrictive concealed carry laws.

[RonD1120 62]

OK! You riled up some folks in another thread.

I see my country in deep trouble. It angers me. I am totally against progressive liberalism. I believe it to be an evil influence. I have banded together with like minded folks. We have found a place to make our stand.

I'm outa here for a few days.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[normiss 898]

Sorry you were weak Ron.

[NewGuy2005 53]

RonD1120

Straight, clean and sober for 33 years. Can you make that claim?

So, were you not straight 33 years ago?

Oops. This has already been discussed.

[gowlerk 2,277]

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I'll bet that the number of handgun sales to women has increased. As sexual assaults in bathrooms occur, armed confrontation increases with the high probability someone's going to get shot. I'll put my money on higher frequency of assaults occurring in States where there are very restrictive concealed carry laws.

Wow, just wow. Sex assault in bathrooms will not go up because people pee in the bathroom they identify with. But if you force males who look like females, and females who look like males to use public shared bathrooms that match their papers I'm sure that confrontations and confusion are going to be the result. That could lead to assaults.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[NewGuy2005 53]

For the record, I don't care which bathroom a transexual person uses.

That being said, I'm really surprised no one has raised the issue of potential abuse of this policy by predatory heterosexual men.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

NewGuy2005

For the record, I don't care which bathroom a transexual person uses.

That being said, I'm really surprised no one has raised the issue of potential abuse of this policy by predatory heterosexual men.

A lot of people have raised that issue. Or, more accurately, they have hidden their hatred and prejudices behind the "protect the women and children" mantra.

How would "predatory hetero men" abuse this policy?

Seriously, what would they do differently?

The TG folk that would use a public bathroom aligned with their "new" gender are usually pretty non-descript (they look the part pretty well).

Even the better transvestites are pretty hard to pick out.

The idea that a "sexual predator" would take the time and effort to dress as a woman convincingly enough to sneak into a bathroom in order to commit an assault is rather ludicrous.

But it makes for a great internet meme.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[NewGuy2005 53]

wolfriverjoe

The TG folk that would use a public bathroom aligned with their "new" gender are usually pretty non-descript (they look the part pretty well).

I agree with you, but do you seriously think that there's not going to be any rowdy/funloving/curious/weird/creepy/predatory heterosexual guys that will want to have fun or take advantage of this?

It's not the transgendered people that I want to keep away from my wife and daughters, it's the guys I went to high school with.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

NewGuy2005

I agree with you, but do you seriously think that there's not going to be any rowdy/funloving/curious/weird/creepy/predatory heterosexual guys that will want to have fun or take advantage of this?

How? How would they "take advantage" of this?

Do you seriously think that some "funloving/curious" hetero guy is going to dress up in drag to see what the inside of a women's bathroom looks like? (I find it odd that you lump "rowdy, funloving, and curious" in the same group with "weird, creepy and predatory")

Or if they are, would this law being in place (or not being in place) make any difference?

This law is clearly in place to discriminate. The "protect the women and kids" is a smokescreen to hide behind. Kinda funny that they have to hide behind women and children because they are afraid to admit their real motives.

The idea that some kid will go "heh, heh, heh (insert "Beavis Laugh" here), I'm going to tell everyone that I "identify as a woman" to see naked chicks" is stupid.

If it's done as a joke, the girls inside the locker room will beat the crap out of him. And he'd face the same sanctions as any guy who did that.

If it's done with a bit more thought (or lack of) and effort, and the dude really presents himself as a TG, then he will suffer a lot more. Most kids know this. High school is hell for those that are different. I'm neither TG nor gay, but I was "different." And while I don't pretend to know how much they suffer, I fully understand that they do suffer.

This is why very few come out until they are in the adult world. And why lots of teens commit suicide.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[wmw999 2,589]

What's stopping him from doing it now? Behavior should be illegal, not being.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[kallend 2,151]

RonD1120

******Straight, clean and sober for 33 years. Can you make that claim?

So in only 37 MORE years you will match me.

How did you qualify for a Freak Brother number?

Without booze or drugs.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[jakee 1,596]

Boomerdog

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So why did NC Republicans waste so much time and effort forcing through a bill to deal with a non-problem?

Not a problem for you but apparently a problem for many in North Carolina...

So Ron was wrong?

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Personally, I don't give a shit about this issue but it's going to be a problem with some violent ramifications and it won't be if but when. What will be interesting to see is the difference between those states that have "shall issue" concealed carry laws and those that restrict concealed carry of handguns. Bottom line is this; there is an increased number of handgun sales. I'll bet that the number of handgun sales to women has increased. As sexual assaults in bathrooms occur, armed confrontation increases with the high probability someone's going to get shot. I'll put my money on higher frequency of assaults occurring in States where there are very restrictive concealed carry laws.

All that because of North Carolina's legislation? Damn, they really fucked up eh?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,596]

NewGuy2005

That being said, I'm really surprised no one has raised the issue of potential abuse of this policy by predatory heterosexual men.

If you'd paid any attention you'd see that lots of people have raised the issue of potential abuse of NCs legislative policy by predatory heterosexual men.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,596]

NewGuy2005

It's not the transgendered people that I want to keep away from my wife and daughters, it's the guys I went to high school with.

Then you should oppose NCs legislation, and any like it.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 3,120]

>You certainly give the impression that you favor big government.

In general, I do not. I favor market based solutions to problems rather than institutionally based solutions, and I favor reduction in the overall size (and cost) of government.

>You don't believe it is right for people to ban together with like interests.

Did you mean "band together?" If so I have no problem at all with people banding together for whatever reason they choose.

> You have chosen the progressive liberal side.

I can live with you believing that. (It makes sense; you are very far to the right, so anyone not as far to the right as you are would seem "progressive liberal" to you.) On several science boards I am on, I am considered a conservative who favors dirty nuclear power, private rather than government operated programs (space, research) lower minimum wages and legal gun ownership for any sane, law abiding citizen. I can live with their beliefs, too.

> It's OK, it has been prophesied.

I guess I am now famous enough to have people make prophecies about me! Life is indeed like a box of chocolates.

[NewGuy2005 53]

jakee

***It's not the transgendered people that I want to keep away from my wife and daughters, it's the guys I went to high school with.

Then you should oppose NCs legislation, and any like it.

I do oppose it.

[NewGuy2005 53]

wmw999

What's stopping him from doing it now? Behavior should be illegal, not being.

Wendy P.

What's stopping him now is that it is not currently widely accepted for a biological male (pardon me if that is not the correct term) to enter a women's restroom.

You are right. "Being" should not be illegal. Re-read my post. I have no issue with TG people and I am fine with them using whatever restroom they want.

[NewGuy2005 53]

wolfriverjoe

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I agree with you, but do you seriously think that there's not going to be any rowdy/funloving/curious/weird/creepy/predatory heterosexual guys that will want to have fun or take advantage of this?

How? How would they "take advantage" of this?

Do you seriously think that some "funloving/curious" hetero guy is going to dress up in drag to see what the inside of a women's bathroom looks like? (I find it odd that you lump "rowdy, funloving, and curious" in the same group with "weird, creepy and predatory")

Or if they are, would this law being in place (or not being in place) make any difference?

This law is clearly in place to discriminate. The "protect the women and kids" is a smokescreen to hide behind. Kinda funny that they have to hide behind women and children because they are afraid to admit their real motives.

The idea that some kid will go "heh, heh, heh (insert "Beavis Laugh" here), I'm going to tell everyone that I "identify as a woman" to see naked chicks" is stupid.

If it's done as a joke, the girls inside the locker room will beat the crap out of him. And he'd face the same sanctions as any guy who did that.

If it's done with a bit more thought (or lack of) and effort, and the dude really presents himself as a TG, then he will suffer a lot more. Most kids know this. High school is hell for those that are different. I'm neither TG nor gay, but I was "different." And while I don't pretend to know how much they suffer, I fully understand that they do suffer.

This is why very few come out until they are in the adult world. And why lots of teens commit suicide.

I don't lump them together, I just listed them all in order to give the potential range of guys that might take advantage of the new standard.

I can tell by the tone of your response that you are lumping me in with the haters and I can assure you that is not me. You and I are on the same side.

If you don't think there will be pervy straight guys that will abuse this, you are being naive and not addressing that will only make it harder for TG people to find acceptance.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

NewGuy2005

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I don't lump them together, I just listed them all in order to give the potential range of guys that might take advantage of the new standard.

I can tell by the tone of your response that you are lumping me in with the haters and I can assure you that is not me. You and I are on the same side.

If you don't think there will be pervy straight guys that will abuse this, you are being naive and not addressing that will only make it harder for TG people to find acceptance.

It's not that I don't think predators will take any advantage that they can get - they will.

But I don't see exactly how they could "abuse' this.

And I admit, I'm not sure where you stand - The idea that "we need this law because 'pervy straight guys' want to attack our women and children in the bathroom" is the fake excuse that the idiots used to pass this law (that's how I read your post - If I misread it, my apologies).

So in addition to the "how will they abuse the law?" question, exactly which law do you see being more prone to abuse - the old situation where people used the bathroom that they wished, based primarily on appearance? Or the new law that requires TGs to use the bathroom based on how they were born?

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[normiss 898]

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What's stopping him now is that it is not currently widely accepted for a biological male (pardon me if that is not the correct term) to enter a women's restroom.

LOL

That is a rather clueless perspective.

[NewGuy2005 53]

normiss

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What's stopping him now is that it is not currently widely accepted for a biological male (pardon me if that is not the correct term) to enter a women's restroom.

LOL

That is a rather clueless perspective.

So you think you or I can currently walk in an use a women's restroom any time we want?

[normiss 898]

While generally I think yes, depending on the location, you're flat out dismissing transgendered people.
You most likely wouldn't have noticed if they had though.

[Coreeece 2]

normiss

rest area on I-75 today, 2 gay men with their 2 sons, in the bathroom, no exposed genitals. . .

You were lucky - last time I saw two gay men in the bathroom was back out west in Long beach. It was my first day in California - and trust me, they made it quite obvious. (Well to be PC, I suppose they could've been bi-sexual, or maybe one was just a woman with a penis - wtf would I know about it, right?)

Now I know it's a small sample size, but I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that that shit probably happens quite often in that part of the country - can't remember ever coming across heterosexual fellatio in a public restroom - or any other kinda sexual behavior for that matter, but I guess that's just my anecdotal experience. . .

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[normiss 898]

Oh the times I've seen people having sex in public.
You'd think it was natural or something.

[Niki1 2]

normiss

Step away from the bong Ron.

Or put his tinfoil hat back on.

Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossilbe before they were done.
Louis D Brandeis

Where are we going and why are we in this basket?