Obama’s last act is to force suburbs to be less white and less wealthy

[StreetScooby 5]

The Federal department of HUD (Housing and Urban development) has been on a crusade to place more section 8 participants in "rich white people neighborhoods". Housing Secretary Julian Castro is going to double Section 8 allowances so Section 8 participants can live in these neighborhoods. Landlords will not be able to deny them, even if they have criminal records.

Prior experiments in this has shown dramatic increases in violence (e.g. Dallas suburbs Frisco, Plano and McKinney) These neighborhoods have suffered unprecedented spikes in rapes, assaults and break-ins, including home invasions. HUD's own internal analysis has shown that Section 8 recipients did not get better jobs or get off welfare. In fact, more went on food stamps. And their children did not do better in their new schools.

This is the epitome of tyranny, IMO.

Obama’s last act is to force suburbs to be less white and less wealthy

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[turtlespeed 226]

StreetScooby

The Federal department of HUD (Housing and Urban development) has been on a crusade to place more section 8 participants in "rich white people neighborhoods". Housing Secretary Julian Castro is going to double Section 8 allowances so Section 8 participants can live in these neighborhoods. Landlords will not be able to deny them, even if they have criminal records.

Prior experiments in this has shown dramatic increases in violence (e.g. Dallas suburbs Frisco, Plano and McKinney) These neighborhoods have suffered unprecedented spikes in rapes, assaults and break-ins, including home invasions. HUD's own internal analysis has shown that Section 8 recipients did not get better jobs or get off welfare. In fact, more went on food stamps. And their children did not do better in their new schools.

This is the epitome of tyranny, IMO.

Obama’s last act is to force suburbs to be less white and less wealthy

You wouldn't expect him to use logic and reasoning would you?

Who cares about facts and documented trends? Oh well, except the climat people.

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To be clear, I really don't care what color your skin is. It's behavior that I'm concerned about. In my simple definition, culture is what your Mom and Dad teach you at the dinner table. And, hopefully, they're instilling traits that include working hard, paying your bills, and learning how to participate in a civil society.

There's a certain collection of people who apparently don't get this, and these days the Federal government seems to be doing nothing but encouraging them in their existing ways. That's going the wrong direction, IMO.

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[jakee 1,596]

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This is the epitome of tyranny, IMO.

No, it's the epitome of speculation.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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StreetScooby

To be clear, I really don't care what color your skin is. It's behavior that I'm concerned about. In my simple definition, culture is what your Mom and Dad teach you at the dinner table. And, hopefully, they're instilling traits that include working hard, paying your bills, and learning how to participate in a civil society.

There's a certain collection of people who apparently don't get this, and these days the Federal government seems to be doing nothing but encouraging them in their existing ways. That's going the wrong direction, IMO.

Why did you have to point it out?
It wasn't considered by me, until you brought it up.

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[StreetScooby 5]

Liberal thought has decayed to such a point where they are discussing which bathrooms someone can use. Just making sure I'm clear, to avoid needless harping.

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[jakee 1,596]

StreetScooby

Liberal thought has decayed to such a point where they are discussing which bathrooms someone can use. Just making sure I'm clear, to avoid needless harping.

You mean conservative thought has decayed to the point they are legislating which bathrooms someone can use, surely?

If that's not what you meant well, there are none so blind yada yada.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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StreetScooby

Liberal thought has decayed to such a point where they are discussing which bathrooms someone can use. Just making sure I'm clear, to avoid needless harping.

The ONLY people who seem to be preoccupied with this are conservatives.

Maybe because so many GOP politicians have been convicted of sex offenses.

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[StreetScooby 5]

This thread is attempting to have a conversation about the Federal government and Section 8 housing participants. It's not about the Federal government forcing who can use which bathroom, which is suitable for another thread.

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[jcd11235 0]

Here's an informative, well-cited, and objective article on the topic. It's much less sensationalist than the tabloid quality piece provided by the OP.

Neighborhood-Based Subsidy Caps Can Make Housing Vouchers More Efficient and Effective

"The voucher program’s performance in broadening housing choices for participants can profoundly affect children’s long-term well-being. Research finds that children whose families used vouchers to move to low-poverty neighborhoods when they were young were more likely to attend college, less likely to become single parents, and earned significantly more as adults. In addition, adults who moved to lower-poverty neighborhoods experienced substantial gains in mental and physical health.
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"In practice, voucher subsidy costs have fallen in areas where SAFMRs have been implemented, although it is possible that factors other than SAFMRs may have played a role in those declines. The average annual cost of a voucher in the Dallas area fell by $375 or about 5 percent from 2010 (just before SAFMRs went into effect) through 2014, without adjusting for inflation, HUD administrative data show. Average voucher costs rose by 2 percent both in the neighboring Fort Worth area and nationally during that period. At the five agencies in the SAFMR demonstration, average voucher costs fell by 5 percent from 2012 through 2014."

Amazingly, the OP is trying to spin lower costs and better outcomes as a bad thing.

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StreetScooby

This thread is attempting to have a conversation about the Federal government and Section 8 housing participants. It's not about the Federal government forcing who can use which bathroom, which is suitable for another thread.

You introduced bathrooms into this thread of your own free will. If you want NC Republicans forcing who can use which bathrooms to stop being a topic in this thread you would need to admit that you were talking bollocks, and that under your criteria it is actually conservative thought which is corrupt and decayed.

You don't get to say something wildly wrong then insist that no-one call you on it. Doesn't work that way.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kallend 2,150]

StreetScooby

This thread is attempting to have a conversation about the Federal government and Section 8 housing participants. It's not about the Federal government forcing who can use which bathroom, which is suitable for another thread.

So why did you bring up the topic of bathrooms?

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[GeorgiaDon 380]

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There's a certain collection of people who apparently don't get this, and these days the Federal government seems to be doing nothing but encouraging them in their existing ways. That's going the wrong direction, IMO.

What would be the right direction, in your opinion?

BTW do you see the assumption behind the "...force suburbs to be less white..." part of your title? Do you see the inconsistency with your statement that you "really don't care what color your skin is"?

Don

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What would be the right direction, in your opinion?

Have a mom and a dad in the house, one or more of whom has a job.

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BTW do you see the assumption behind the "...force suburbs to be less white..." part of your title? Do you see the inconsistency with your statement that you "really don't care what color your skin is"?

The title is what it is, I had nothing to do with it.

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Amazingly, the OP is trying to spin lower costs and better outcomes as a bad thing.

The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP) is an American think tank that analyzes the impact of federal and state government budget policies from a progressive viewpoint. The article you quoted is a propaganda piece, IMO.

HUD has been trying to impose this on Westchester for quite some time now. They've been withholding federal funds from Westchester, even though the county government is in compliance with a legal ruling won when the prior County Executive took federal money for housing and didn't spend it for housing. HUD continues to try and expand the terms of the ruling, aggressively so.

In addition to forcing any landlord to accept section 8 housing, they want the ability to change zoning laws at will.

Simple tyranny.

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StreetScooby

The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP) is an American think tank that analyzes the impact of federal and state government budget policies from a progressive viewpoint. The article you quoted is a propaganda piece, IMO.

Considering the thinly veiled racist clickbait article to which you linked as though it is a credible source of information, I'm not surprised you feel that way. Nonetheless, the article to which I linked provides credible supporting sources, something you've failed to do.

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What would be the right direction, in your opinion?

Have a mom and a dad in the house, one or more of whom has a job.

That would be desirable, sure, as a long term goal (with the caveat that it could be mom & dad or dad & dad or mom & mom, or even just dad or mom as long as they are self sufficient). What do you think should be done in the meantime with/for the people who currently qualify for section 8 housing, the people you apparently do not want messing up your upscale white neighborhood?

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BTW do you see the assumption behind the "...force suburbs to be less white..." part of your title? Do you see the inconsistency with your statement that you "really don't care what color your skin is"?

The title is what it is, I had nothing to do with it.So the title of the thread you started was written by whom, leprechauns?

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The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP) is an American think tank that analyzes the impact of federal and state government budget policies from a progressive viewpoint. The article you quoted is a propaganda piece, IMO.

You posted a New York Trash Post article by a guy who is flogging a book that claims poor black people caused the 2008 crash and now you're talking about propaganda?

Are you fucking kidding me?

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GeorgiaDon

So the title of the thread you started was written by whom, leprechauns?

Don

No. No. No. The title was written by Tay.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/24/tay-microsofts-ai-chatbot-gets-a-crash-course-in-racism-from-twitter

[StreetScooby 5]

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What do you think should be done in the meantime with/for the people who currently qualify for section 8 housing, the people you apparently do not want messing up your upscale white neighborhood?

Expect some form of personal responsibility from them, and expect them to get a job at some point.

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Nonetheless, the article to which I linked provides credible supporting sources, something you've failed to do.

The article you posted doesn't talk about the process by which HUD intends to make this happen. Landlords will not be allowed to deny Section 8 applicants, and HUD wants to change zoning laws at will. In addition, it doesn't describe what happened in those Dallas neighborhoods.

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Now Dallas has one of the highest murder rates in the nation, and recently had to call in state troopers to help police control it. For the first time, violent crime has shifted to the tony bedroom communities north of the city. Three suburbs that have seen the most Section 8 transfers — Frisco, Plano and McKinney — have suffered unprecedented spikes in rapes, assaults and break-ins, including home invasions.

You'll find many other articles on this by googling "westchester county vs. HUD"

HUD has been trying to use Westchester as an experiment with this for years now.

Here's a 2011 Daily News article by Rob Astorino, the County Executive:
HUD’s warped war on Westchester: Our county is already diverse

Here's a 2013 Forbes article on this issue:
The 800-Pound HUD Gorilla

Here's 2015 article about HUDs brazen attempt to take actions without review against the County, which was stopped by a Federal Court:
Federal Court Gives Westchester a Victory in County's Fight over Affordable Housing

My point: HUD, and especially it's current Housing Secretary Julian Castro, are tyrants. Everyone should be aware of what they're trying to do.

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[StreetScooby 5]

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So the title of the thread you started was written by whom, leprechauns?

It's the title of the article in the newspaper.

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[StreetScooby 5]

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You posted a New York Trash Post article by a guy who is flogging a book that claims poor black people caused the 2008 crash and now you're talking about propaganda?

I'm not familiar with the author, or any of his books. Which book are you referring to?

If you're interested in that topic, I highly recommend the Senate's report on it:
Wall Street and The Financial Crisis: Anatomy of a Financial Collapse.

Be sure to read Pinto's write-up in the appendix. He was CFO for FreddieMac, and diagnosed the problem long before it exploded. This is another example of the government forcing markets in the wrong direction. Banks were forced to underwrite loans that should never have been written. That was the seed that rotted the whole housing market's infrastructure.

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Your first two sources are opinion pieces by a Republican politician and an author who writes "about big government's corrosive effects on civil society," respectively. They are hardly credible, objective sources. The third article doesn't do much to support the claims you've made, either.

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They are hardly credible, objective sources.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that.

That Republican politician is Rob Astorino, who actually took the fight to HUD to prevent them from steamrolling over our neighborhoods. You should remember his name. He'll probably be the next governor of New York, and something bigger after that.

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