turtlespeed 226 #51 May 9, 2016 SkyDekker******Quotestarted a petition to discriminate against an individual. That's not really how discrimination works. You tend to discriminate based on membership or perceived membership to a group. Don't think that captures this scenario. But a nice way to try and twist the meaning of words to fit your agenda.. Is he not the representative of a group of like minded individuals? Did all of those people get included in the discussion of being banned to enter the US? Do you maybe see the difference between the above and banning all Muslims from the US. One is discrimination, the other is not. Are you claiming that you cannot discriminate against an individual?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #52 May 9, 2016 turtlespeed*********Quotestarted a petition to discriminate against an individual. That's not really how discrimination works. You tend to discriminate based on membership or perceived membership to a group. Don't think that captures this scenario. But a nice way to try and twist the meaning of words to fit your agenda.. Is he not the representative of a group of like minded individuals? Did all of those people get included in the discussion of being banned to enter the US? Do you maybe see the difference between the above and banning all Muslims from the US. One is discrimination, the other is not. Are you claiming that you cannot discriminate against an individual? What identifiable group does Trump belong to (or is perceived to belong to) that would make this discrimination? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #53 May 9, 2016 SkyDekker************Quotestarted a petition to discriminate against an individual. That's not really how discrimination works. You tend to discriminate based on membership or perceived membership to a group. Don't think that captures this scenario. But a nice way to try and twist the meaning of words to fit your agenda.. Is he not the representative of a group of like minded individuals? Did all of those people get included in the discussion of being banned to enter the US? Do you maybe see the difference between the above and banning all Muslims from the US. One is discrimination, the other is not. Are you claiming that you cannot discriminate against an individual? What identifiable group does Trump belong to (or is perceived to belong to) that would make this discrimination? Red Necks for one. Who do you think of when you look at those at a trump rally. Maybe it is as simple as labeling them "true Americans". Whatever they call themselves. Trump Americans?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #54 May 9, 2016 QuoteRed Necks for one. Did someone petition the UK government to ban the travel of all US rednecks? No, no they did not. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #55 May 9, 2016 DanGQuoteRed Necks for one. Did someone petition the UK government to ban the travel of all US rednecks? No, no they did not. No they went after an individual. I suggest as a social experiment the same be done for the Mayor. Let's see how hypocritical those that signed the petition can be.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #56 May 9, 2016 QuoteRed Necks for one. Who do you think of when you look at those at a trump rally. Maybe it is as simple as labeling them "true Americans". Whatever they call themselves. Trump Americans? You seem to have a hard time coming up with an identifiable group, pretty decent indication this wasn't borne out of discrimination. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #57 May 9, 2016 SkyDekkerQuoteRed Necks for one. Who do you think of when you look at those at a trump rally. Maybe it is as simple as labeling them "true Americans". Whatever they call themselves. Trump Americans? You seem to have a hard time coming up with an identifiable group, pretty decent indication this wasn't borne out of discrimination. Answer the question. Can you or can you not discriminate against an individual?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #58 May 9, 2016 QuoteI suggest as a social experiment the same be done for the Mayor. Why would anyone want to ban the Mayor of London from entering the US? What would your experiment prove? Who is supposed to be the hypocrites here? You've totally gone off the rails on this one. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #59 May 9, 2016 DanGQuoteI suggest as a social experiment the same be done for the Mayor. Why would anyone want to ban the Mayor of London from entering the US? What would your experiment prove? Who is supposed to be the hypocrites here? You've totally gone off the rails on this one. No, I haven't. You just agree that it is feasible and even warranted that someone, Like Trump, that is not of your way of thinking, should be persecuted, singled out, and banned from an allied country because of what he may or may not believe. I think it is very hypocritical if that same action is looked down upon or even thought to be "Off the rails" because someone is of the flavor of the day. If it is OK for someone to be banned because of something that he or she might believe then shouldn't it be just fine to ban someone because of what they might I right not believe?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #60 May 9, 2016 RMKI live in London and have voted in every mayoral election since the early 1990’s. Oddly, this discussion on Sadiq Khan’s religious affiliation is only really making news in the US press. I’m here every day; I’m not seeing/hearing it discussed much at all. He could be Buddhist or any other random religion; we don’t really care. Where have you been looking? Because the Tories certainly cared. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/07/zac-goldsmith-racist-campaign-londonDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #61 May 9, 2016 QuoteIf it is OK for someone to be banned because of something that he or she might believe then shouldn't it be just fine to ban someone because of what they might I right not believe? Again without Autocorrect, please. You know you can turn that off, right? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #62 May 9, 2016 turtlespeed*********************I wonder if he'll be allowed to visit the US next year? Maybe we should ask those that would bar Trump from coping into their country.like who? I dunno - Maybe. - Parliment? If you would actually read that link, (which explains enough about how parliament works to give the debate context) you'd understand that the answer is 'not Parliament'. Look above . . . See the cute little bolder words? Just sayin'. You lost this one plain and simple. Just man up and admit it. I read it, I understood it. If you had understood it you would have known that Parliament would not ban Trump from entering this country. So why did you say it? QuoteIt doesn't lessen the fact that people in the country of tolerance and liberals (well that may be Canada)started a petition to discriminate against an individual. You either don't understand or are intentionally misrepresenting the British thought process. We're big fans of irony and satire. No-one thought that Trump would be banned from the UK as a result of the petition - the petition existed and was signed by so many people in order to highlight the absurdity of Trump's desire to ban certain groups from the US. By the way, since you're so opposed to restrictions on travel for arbitrary reasons I look forward to your post condemning Trump's discriminatory policy.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #63 May 9, 2016 turtlespeed***Quotestarted a petition to discriminate against an individual. That's not really how discrimination works. You tend to discriminate based on membership or perceived membership to a group. Don't think that captures this scenario. But a nice way to try and twist the meaning of words to fit your agenda.. Is he not the representative of a group of like minded individuals? No. You have to admit that there is no-one else quite like Trump.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #64 May 9, 2016 turtlespeedRed Necks for one. Eh? Donald Trump is not a redneck. what do you think makes him a redneck? QuoteLet's see how hypocritical those that signed the petition can be. You really, really don't understand what's going on, do you?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #65 May 9, 2016 jakee***Red Necks for one. Eh? Donald Trump is not a redneck. what do you think makes him a redneck? QuoteLet's see how hypocritical those that signed the petition can be. You really, really don't understand what's going on, do you? Yes, I do.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #66 May 9, 2016 Then why are you getting it so badly wrong?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #67 May 9, 2016 jakeeThen why are you getting it so badly wrong? I'm not. Are you saying that the people that signed the petition, at least many of them, would NOT ban Trump, if it were possible? Do you think that the reporter would not?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #68 May 9, 2016 DanGQuoteIf it is OK for someone to be banned because of something that he or she might believe then shouldn't it be just fine to ban someone because of what they might or might not believe? Again without Autocorrect, please. >>Fixed it You know you can turn that off, right? I didn't want to bother.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #69 May 9, 2016 Can you truly not see the difference between the President of the United States banning the travel of all Muslims, including US citizens, into the United States, and a petition to the UK Parliament to ban the travel of a particular US citizen into the UK? Do you honestly think the two things are equivalent? I suspect not, but you will never admit it, so we are at an impasse. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #70 May 9, 2016 Fascinating watching you twisting in the wind.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #71 May 9, 2016 turtlespeed***QuoteRed Necks for one. Who do you think of when you look at those at a trump rally. Maybe it is as simple as labeling them "true Americans". Whatever they call themselves. Trump Americans? You seem to have a hard time coming up with an identifiable group, pretty decent indication this wasn't borne out of discrimination. Answer the question. Can you or can you not discriminate against an individual? You can discriminate against an individual on the basis of him belonging to, or being perceived to belong to an identifiable group. Banning Trump for being Trump is not discrimination. Banning Trump for being a white American male is discrimination. Banning a muslim for being muslim is discrimination. Banning all muslims for being muslim is discrimination. What happened is farcical and inane, but it isn't discrimination. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #72 May 9, 2016 turtlespeed***Then why are you getting it so badly wrong? I'm not. Incorrect. Look at it this way - the petition (and resulting automatically triggered debate) was designed to highlight the unfairness of Trump's proposed ban on Muslims entering the US. The thing that you want to do to highlight what you think is the unfairness of the petition is to hold a debate on... banning a Muslim from entering the US. And you honestly don't see where you've gone wrong? QuoteAre you saying that the people that signed the petition, at least many of them, would NOT ban Trump, if it were possible? Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. Quote Do you think that the reporter would not? What reporter?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #73 May 9, 2016 SkyDekker******QuoteRed Necks for one. Who do you think of when you look at those at a trump rally. Maybe it is as simple as labeling them "true Americans". Whatever they call themselves. Trump Americans? You seem to have a hard time coming up with an identifiable group, pretty decent indication this wasn't borne out of discrimination. Answer the question. Can you or can you not discriminate against an individual? You can discriminate against an individual on the basis of him belonging to, or being perceived to belong to an identifiable group. Banning Trump for being Trump is not discrimination. Banning Trump for being a white American male is discrimination. Banning a muslim for being muslim is discrimination. Banning all muslims for being muslim is discrimination. What happened is farcical and inane, but it isn't discrimination. Would banning a racist for being racist count?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #74 May 9, 2016 turtlespeed*********QuoteRed Necks for one. Who do you think of when you look at those at a trump rally. Maybe it is as simple as labeling them "true Americans". Whatever they call themselves. Trump Americans? You seem to have a hard time coming up with an identifiable group, pretty decent indication this wasn't borne out of discrimination. Answer the question. Can you or can you not discriminate against an individual? You can discriminate against an individual on the basis of him belonging to, or being perceived to belong to an identifiable group. Banning Trump for being Trump is not discrimination. Banning Trump for being a white American male is discrimination. Banning a muslim for being muslim is discrimination. Banning all muslims for being muslim is discrimination. What happened is farcical and inane, but it isn't discrimination. Would banning a racist for being racist count? Maybe banning a troll for trolling is more apt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #75 May 9, 2016 At least he's been using his turn signal in this thread when he changes direction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
